Sunday Go to Meeting Bun – Let another man defend you…

New post on FAITH-HAPPENS – Site of S.Douglas Woodward author of The Final Babylon and Power Quest

DISCERNMENT OR DIVISIVENESS?

by Woodward

My friend and co-author Doug Krieger shared this fine bit of writing, which he calls a rant (fully justified in my eyes), against a particular discernment ministries, notably the latest provocation from The Berean Call (an institution founded by the late Dave Hunt who we highly esteemed).

Krieger, McGriff, and I are proud to call friends the subjects of the accusation “apostate” by Sarah Leslie and Gaylene Goodroad. We dare to exercise our own discernment and call their work divisive and their scholarship slipshod.  Furthermore, since they will not debate their contentions (though even Chuck Missler has reached out to them – as did I – Doug Woodward, about two years ago).  They prove not only dogmatic – they are demogagues – offering slick sound bytes, justifying their “truth” by saying how they speak only harkening to the authority of Scripture, and that we, the “post-modern prophecy” pundits, supersede what the scriptures teach because other sources than the Bible are included in our writings and presentations.  By this peculiar name calling, they have sought the unction of the late Francis Schaeffer (by calling our brethren “post-modern.”)  NO, NO. NO.  Believe me, even Francis Schaeffer specifically cited Genersis 6 and indicated there was an angelic incursion upon which all the mythologies of the world seem certain to have been based. (I’ll find the reference if requested – time does not allow for me to go reference checking at the moment).

Where's Waldo Wolf?

Where’s Waldo Wolf?

We would hope they would reset their sights away from genuine brethren like LA Marzulli, Tom Horn, Gary Stearman, Chuck Missler, Cris Putnam, et al – and focus on the real enemy of the brethren:  The History Channel’s Ancient Aliens, the latest incarnations of the New Age Movement in whatever form they are found, and any form of Christianity that denies the essentials of our faith:   that Jesus came in the flesh, that He is the unique Son of God, the second person of the Trinity, and that He died as a substitute for our sins, and He was raised physically into a new immortal body – a body of kind which we ourselves will possess at the resurrection or rapture.  Amen.

That’s my rant as introduction.  NOW HERE THIS from Doug Krieger:

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When Jesus was on the earth during His 3.5 years of ministry it appeared that all hell was loosed and demons were utterly “in His face” and incessantly so – “casting out of demons” seemingly was an abundant past time of Jesus while on the earth – thus, the greater the darkness the more the Light of Life exposed these wretched beings.

The worship of Baal, brought in by the Daughter of Tarshish, Daughter of Tyre into Israel, the Northern Kingdom, was an admixture of Baal worship mixed in with the religion of Jehovah – I mean, why not, can’t we all just get along? NO, we can’t – WHAT FELLOWSHIP HAS LIGHT WITH DARKNESS!? Satan sends forth his imps disguised as angels of light or blatantly as the “powers of darkness”…everything from the walking dead to vampires to ghosts, to extraterrestrials and on and on it goes.

[Those inclined toward the new age thinking might] admire the findings of THRIVE and the sincerity of their prime mover, Forrest Gamble, heir to the Proctor and Gamble dynasty/food empire – his conclusion of the matter is this: The aliens, extraterrestrials who communicate to us through crop circles and are seen in UFOs, abductions, experimentation and what not, with their implants, ad nausea, ad infinitude, are coming to help us!  

[Woodward side note:  to intentionally misquote Fox Mulder from the X-Files:  “THE UNTRUTH IS OUT THERE!” We can either chose to ignore “the facts” that don’t fit into our worldview, or we can open our eyes, see all the facts,  revamp our worldview and thus be in a better position to defend the faith once delivered to the Saints – or as Jude said before he quoted the Book of Enoch:  ” it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.” (Jude 3)]  Returning to Krieger:

I am reminded of Johanna Michaelson’s THE BEAUTIFUL SIDE OF EVIL – listen, these creeps masquerade as “light bearers” – DEMONS (common vernacular) seemingly bearing gifts only to seduce the unsuspecting and the naive, as well as the educated skeptic who sits in their ivory tower smug in their own deceit…utterly susceptible to the “powers of darkness” – No, WE ARE NOT IGNORANT OF SATAN’S DEVICES.

Now, those from the “Church of the Immaculate Perception” deign to discredit the research and work of what they call the PACK: L.A. Marzulli, Tom Horn, Steve Quayle, Peter Goodgame, the late David Flynn, Doug Hamp, Patrick Heron, Chuck Missler, Mark Blitz, and, in particular, PROPHECY IN THE NEWS…Gary Stearman, Bob Ulrich and others like Chris Putnam. Listen, I’m fed up to here with their foolish accusations – indeed, as the Apostle Paul said in his day: “Desiring to be teachers of the law, UNDERSTANDING NEITHER WHAT THEY SAY NOR THE THINGS WHICH THEY AFFIRM” (I Tim. 1:7). What I’m saying here is just this – from the Amplified Version:

6 But certain individuals have missed the mark on this very matter [and] have wandered away into vain arguments and discussions and purposeless talk.
7 They are ambitious to be doctors of the Law (teachers of the Mosaic ritual), but they have no understanding either of the words and terms they use or of the subjects about which they make [such] dogmatic assertions.

In this case, they claim the mantle of Christian Orthodoxy/Inerrancy/ Biblical Literalism/Dispensationalism/Christian Fundamentalism but in their pontification and “discernment ministry” they have discredited the true ministry of discernment and gone after brethren of genuine repute in Christ!  The day comes when they shall seek to take us to the worldly courts – turning brother against brother in the process… so little do they realize that they are fulfilling the words of Jesus:

“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake…and then many will be offended, will BETRAY ONE ANOTHER, and will HATE ONE ANOTHER…Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many” (Matthew 24:9-11). How clever of them to dismiss these passages and accord them to Israel only! They have absolutely no idea that they are becoming the instruments of the Wicked One!

They claim the uplifting title of “Watchmen on the Wall” – not “prophets” – lest they be stoned for their false accusations and frivolous charges, having little scriptural under girding to their inflammatory disputations!

Indeed, they have the chutzpah to show up at our prophecy conferences to spy out our liberty in order that they might rail on our liberality – God have mercy on their souls.

Nearly all the brethren I have aforementioned who are the target of their prattling will not, praise God, stoop to defend themselves from their vacuous and invidious commentary – but since I find myself a direct descendant of Martin Luther and “can do none other” – I welcome the opportunity from time to time in “defense of the faith once delivered” to throw their charges back at them – shame on these brethren who cause division like this within the Church of the Living God! All HELL is at our doorstep and these characters have nothing else to do aside from going after what I call “God’s A-Team” – the Lord shall have them (those who accuse) “in confusion/derision” before the Seventieth Week of Daniel soon comes. Yes, DECEPTION is a hallmark of the End of Days – they have become unwittingly a part of that Great Deception!

DOUGLAS W. KRIEGER – read it slowly and know it came from me!

AMEN BROTHER DOUG.

DOUG WOODWARD

http://faith-happens.com/discernment-divisiveness/

 

40 thoughts on “Sunday Go to Meeting Bun – Let another man defend you…

  1. Really well stated. I’m really not sure why Herescope’s word is given this much weight in the discernment circles to the point that even larger scale ministries like TBC are content to take their word for everything sight unseen. It’s very painfully obvious herescope has some kind of issue and axe to grind and most especially Gaylene. It’s frustrating for me especially since I’ve been brought into confidence and I KNOW for a fact Gaylene is a very tainted source.

    I did approach TBC a week ago and all but begged them to initiate direct contact with PITN and bypass the hearsay and middlemen. To make a long story short, they may very well finally do it. We’ll see.

    As for herescope? I’m convinced they’re guilty of Romans 16:17 at least and that’s how they should be handled.

    I run them up against that, 1 Corinthians 13, Galatians 5:22-23 and the whole “bearing false witness” commandment and it’s just not coming out good for them where I sit.

    Anyways, I’m wishing everyone here a blessed day in the Lord. It can be frustrating and discouraging to see this sort of thing and we just have to hand it over to the Lord at some point and let Him deal with it and continue on.🙂

    • Save myself some typing:

      “http://banditzlayer.wordpress.com/2013/10/10/gossip-slander-deceit-backbiting-and-talebearing/”

      I wrote this myself several weeks back and a number of instances inspired this piece not the least of which is the likes of what’s being discussed in today’s blog entry here.

    • Very well written and so true. Especially like the verse:

      5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

      When one willingly binds themselves with the shackles of man it is hard to get in touch with the power of the HOLY SPIRIT within us all.

      The SCROLL that went forth in the old Testament which went forth throughout all the earth, dividing the theives on one side of it and the liars on the other is foundational to what is happening in this Age…and it is the Plan of God, which is also the SCROLL discussed in Revelations. All evil is bound up in liars (slanders, falsehoods) and thieves (those who would steal what is not theirs…whether it be the glory of God, or the life of another…murder….or the belongings of another.) It is all about separating the tares out of this age….the final separation occurring at the end of the Millinnium….when we slip into the next and eternal age.

    • I am not familiar with Berean Call, but I read a book by Dave Hunt once, in which he intimated that all Catholics, even those who believe in the atonement, the resurrection, repentance, etc., are in danger of Hell. Wrote him off at that time as a part of the Church of Ephesus.

  2. Amen, amen. Haha–“The Pack”!! Well, the whole roster of the “The Pack” reads like a list of God’s generals to me, and I am deeply grateful for you watchmen who dare to use reason in conjunction with the gapingly obvious evidence, and the conviction of the Holy Scriptures and the Holy Spirit. The plague of the church is this self-righteous, totally mindless Churchianity, and the remedy is to remember the exhortation that, “As you received Christ Jesus, so walk in Him.” I understand that to mean that we must face facts humbly and courageously fall into line with truth, no matter how much it messes with our comfortable, sleepy paradigm. It was heart-pounding and scary to receive Christ in the first place, and we had to take a leap of faith based on truth and conviction. That is what is lacking in facing the mounting supernatural opposition of our day, and we do not have any time to lose. The battle is here.

    • Beautifully said, Jacqueline. There is no doubt that satan once again has interfered with a step provided for our salvation…the Way of Yeshua on the cross. Satan turned much of the Body of Christ towards following a man’s understandings (wolf), instead of following the HOLY SPIRIT given to us when Yeshua ascended. Worshipping man instead of YHWH.

      Satan will also interfere (as Planned) at the next step, which is the Mellinnium coming with Yeshua upon earth as King of Kings, after the false king comes claiming to be god.

      It is so very sad that many, who now point their accusing fingers at those not in their fold led by wolves, will believe this false king who comes to try once again to be worshipped, as he did during the first earth age, causing all to become void and dark upon this earth before Yeshua restarted our spirits in this demension and time.

      When the HOLY SPIRIT brings a truth, it all fits with all other truths. What is taught in man churches is so often incomplete and small. And than they forget the principle of love, and the principle that YHWH is in control and does not rely upon them. They take too much upon themselves, giving themselves way too much importance, and thus lose the most important principle of all….REMAINING HUMBLE….which is all about being always teachable and following the Light of the Holy Spirit, instead of the dark light of man’s dim traditions, clinging to the safety of man, which leads to destruction.

    • God’s ‘List of Generals?’ ABSOLUTELY!
      Brilliant description and couldn’t agree more with the rest of your comments too Jacqueline.

      Blessings everyone.

  3. I could use the prayers. The knee was a lot worse that I thought. I blew out my medial collateral, my patellar tendon and I tore my meniscus in half. I cant walk and probably wont walk for 3 to 6 months. Its like waking up to a
    nightmare everyday. I dont have a car. The surgery is going to be in the thousands. Its just horrible timing as if I need any more bad news in my life. Im really depressed about it as well other things.

    • Will pray!

      Was this all old athletic injuries or what? Sorry if you had already mentioned that and I’m making you repeat yourself.

      Is there anything any of us can do?

    • Faith comes by hearing, brother. And hearing by the Word…

      Psalm 147

      2 The LORD builds up Jerusalem: He gathers together the outcasts of Israel. [ 1948 !! ]
      3 He heals the broken in heart, and binds up their wounds.

      10 He delights not in the strength of the horse: He takes no pleasure in the legs of a man.
      11 The LORD takes pleasure in them that fear Him, in those that hope in His mercy.

      “http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7441/8893417169_5bdc521bf2_z.jpg” (photo — similar injury)
      “http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unhappy_triad” (sports injury in knee area)

      My superstar niece was on a soccer scholarship when the other team took her out with an ACL injury.
      “http://www.howardluksmd.com/education/common-injuries/acl-tears/”

    • Dear Heavenly Father

      We pray for Richard and his injury right now. We lift him to you and ask for his enCOURAGEment. We pray that you help him to be strong and focused in your strength, and despite his feelings of weakness at this time that you remind him that ‘your Grace is ever sufficient for him and that your power is made strong in his weakness.’ Be with our brother now we pray in deeper levels of intimacy and equipping than he ever has had with you previously. We also join together in opposing the enemies attack on his clarity in you as your son. We present him and his needs for both physical and emotional healing to you now Father and whenever you bring him to our minds to uphold him further in his times of need.

      In Yeshua’s mighty name and for your eternal glory we pray

      Amen

    • Richard, I will be praying for you. I just want to encourage you not to get down and depressed. I know it’s easier said than done as I suffer from depression from time to time and I know how difficult it is and how horrible and devastating the feeling of being depressed can be. But I want to tell you as much pain as you are in right now don’t lose sight of the light at the end of the tunnel, you will make it out of this, you will get through, just right now as you are going through this it just doesn’t seem like it. It might feel as if you will never see the light at the end of the tunnel but you will. I was hit head on by a drunk driver years ago and was bed ridden for 6 months, I didn’t know if I would walk again, although the doctors said I would, I wasn’t so sure,as mentally it was difficult because it was such a horrendous accident. Through it all I can say one thing and that is the Lord is always in control. In my case when I was going through all that it felt like he was so far away, but he was always right there all along going thought it with me…we as Christians are never alone. I found out in my case that he never seems to be early for some reason but I can also say he is never late, he is always right on time… old cliché but so true. As difficult as it is for you right now, as soon as you have a negative thought, think on something else, don’t dwell on negative thoughts, and don’t let the devil take a foothold in your mind and thoughts. My depression gets so bad at times it difficult for me to even get out of bed, or eat or drink anything, and it feels as if it will never end but somehow Gory be to God the clouds eventually lift and I can begin to live again. Don’t lose hope brother…I will pray the Lord gives you strength during this difficult time in your life but I guarantee you will look back on this in a few months and be amazed on your progress and a bit more time after that it will be nothing more than a faded memory. Stay strong you have a lot of people that care about you praying for you.

  4. Gotta laugh!

    “http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/268281.php”

    Some see things that others say just aren’t there. More accurately, some “perceive” (vice “see”).

    I have to close my eyes so I can see what I’m doing with my hands when they’re hidden from view working on something. I just thought that was common to anyone that used their hands for fine work often, like sculptors or surgeons. Compare “phantom limbs.”

    • It’s funny to me that folks don’t see the “spectrums of categories” in scripture. Christ has a very definite pattern of organization that’s wonderful to me to savor. I think it’s like others relish the sights and smells of a garden. Age and mild strokes have taken much of the sense of smell from me. For instance, I couldn’t smell rubber burning from a belt rubbing through in a failing air condtioner fan, though most everyone else could easily. So I’m becoming more and more aware of the differences in perception that folks have.

      Here’s an example of a categorical spectrum from Proverbs 6:16…

      Six things the Lord hates, seven are abomination to Him:
      — a proud look
      — a lying tongue
      — hands that shed innocent blood
      — feet that run swift to mischief
      — he that sows discord among brethren (*)
      — a heart that devises wicked imaginings
      — a false witness speaking lies

      * which I put 5th for a reason

      The “he that sows…” verse is out of sequence — and clearly emphasized by placing it last. I can only assert that in comparison with similar patterns. Those that don’t perceive spectrums of categories likely won’t get the point. To me — very strong emphasis is given to “sowing discord” being not only an abomination — but something that the Lord hates. (Not someone, but something.)

    • Compare Isaiah 58… ( strife = discord )

      4 Behold, ye fast for [ see Isa. 58 ]
      — strife … [ a proud look ]
      — debate … [ a lying tongue ]
      — to smite with the fist of wickedness: [ hands that shed innocent blood ]
      ye shall not fast as ye do this day,
      — to make your voice to be heard on high. [ feet that run swift to {proclaim} mischief ]
      5 Is it such a fast that I have chosen? a day for a man
      — to afflict his soul? … [ he that sows discord… ]
      — to bow down his head as a bulrush … [ a heart that devises wicked imaginings ]
      — to spread sackcloth and ashes under him? [ a false witness “spreading’ lies ]
      wilt thou call this a fast, and an acceptable day to the LORD?

      6 Is not this the fast that I have chosen? [ cp. Luke 4 / Isa. 61 ]
      — to loose the bands of wickedness, [ the day of vengence ]
      — to undo the heavy burdens, and [ forgive sins & debts ] {the acceptable year}
      — to let the oppressed go free, and [ shield the abused ]
      — that ye break every yoke? [ deliver the captives ]
      7 Is it not
      — to deal thy bread to the hungry,
      and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? [ heal broken hearts ]
      — when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; [ restore sight ]
      and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh? [ preach good news ]

      No doubt many would disagree with me and say that I’m reading into scripture or shoehorning in things that are not stated…. I understand their point. They don’t get the connections.

  5. God’s “A-team” has shed much light on subjects not spoken about. As many people as possible need to be reached with the The Word.

  6. The Presence Of Stargates Or Interdimensional Portals – giants, bigfoot, nephilim, skin walkers, ufos, etc. – interview with Steve Qualye on Coast to Coast

  7. “http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/173507#.UnbKk-KwXGA”
    Obama Official: US is an Islamic Country
    Department of Homeland Security Advisory Council member tweets controversial opinion of US.

    I can’t make this stuff up.

  8. Immortal worms — Kurzweil’s end(?) — human + worm hybrids
    “http://www.kurzweilai.net/immortal-worms-defy-aging”

    Isaiah 66:22-24
    For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make,
    — shall remain before me, saith the LORD,
    — so shall your seed and your name remain.
    And it shall come to pass,
    — that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another,
    — shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
    And they shall go forth,
    — and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me:
    for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched;
    — and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

    Revelation 9:6-7
    And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it;
    and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
    And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle;
    — and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold,
    — and their faces were as the faces of men.

    Revelation 12:9
    And the great dragon was cast out ,
    that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world:
    — he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

    Isaiah 14:10-12
    All they shall speak and say unto thee,
    — Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
    Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols:
    — the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
    How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!
    — how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

    Mark 9:43-48
    And if thy hand offend thee,
    — cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed,
    — than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
    Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

    And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life,
    — than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
    Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

    And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out:
    — it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye,
    — than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
    Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

    tags: google, calico, transhuman, life extension

    • Tit for Tat vs. Hair of the dog

      And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

      And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.
      And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.
      And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.
      And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

      And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

  9. “http://www.ensignmedia.com/thewatchers.html”

    “http://www.amazon.com/The-Watchers-Revelation-Kaitlin-Lory/dp/B00F9Q3W5K”

    The Watchers: Revelation

    ^^Blatant Alien Gospel.

  10. Very disappointed with TBC’s actions here… I think I understood a little why when on the first episode of the interview, T.A. said that he had known Sarah Leslie for 30 years…

    not an excuse.

  11. There are those who are involved in so called discernment ministries, who fashion themselves after the Bereans, searching the scriptures daily, ascertaining its meaning and finding truths therein. They often do a good job, and alert us to where the church and possibly ourselves, are getting a little off track, or misinterpreting a verse or two. I am thankful for them. But is there not an element of curiosity in what drives them to do so? I would have thought so, otherwise why bother to even study the scriptures to see what they say. Is their curiosity wrong? No. It is commendable.
    Why then do these same people, criticise others, perhaps like myself, who are curious as to who the giants were, mentioned in Genesis? Why do they criticise those who ponder what the great end times deception might be, or how it might be played out? Why are we lampooned because we think about who might be behind the indisputable and countless UFO sightings, or intricate crop circles viewable only from the air which appear in hours, or manifestations of independently moving objects in “haunted” houses? Why are we wrong to be interested in the book of Enoch actually referred to in the New Testament.
    Is curiosity wrong, or is it a valuable God given attribute of the human mind? Or is its use permissible to an elect few only, but not to all?
    If we don’t stray from the fundamental principles of the Gospel and the basic agreed upon requirements for salvation as clearly laid out in God’s word, is it wrong to wonder about where heaven is, what constitutes time, what beings may be controlling UFO’s, how come there were giants on the earth in Noah’s time, where they come from, how the Papacy may be involved in the end times, which prophesied latter days wars might occur next and in what order, or how new age teachings and Islamic eschatology might relate to Biblical prophecy?
    Does God forbid us to use the imagination and curiosity He built into us? If so, what a dull, boring, colourless, staid, legalistic and disappointing life awaits us. Indeed, without curiosity, how many people would actually look for the truth, read the Bible, ask questions and discover the way to salvation, and by God’s grace, inherit a place in His kingdom?
    Those involved in the “discernment” ministry are an invaluable part of Christendom, but please, to those who are, don’t label us curious folk as apostate or cranks. If we stray from the fundamental truths of the bible, please, point our errors out to us, otherwise……….just leave us alone…………
    and do what you’re good at.

    • When astronomers showed Earth was lowly,
      not Heaven’s sweet center most holy,
      Philosophers grumbled
      at theories crumbled.
      As one said, “I wish someone had Ptolemy.”

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