Who Has Believed Our Report?

53 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?

For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

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52 thoughts on “Who Has Believed Our Report?

  1. I know this verse and LA you did a great job with the Easter musical you composed, conducted, orchestrated and delivered. OFF the hook awesome. HE is Risen, a great CD that is all original and very impressive.

    • Excellent! Even our Lord Jesus Christ, Yeshua Messiah, is this Suffering Servant. Hallelu-Yah!

      Isaiah 53

      1 The Lamb Slain (v. 7b) …brought as a lamb to the slaughter
      2 The Word of God (v. 1) …reported and revealed by the prophets
      3 The Good Shepherd (v. 6) …who’s responsible for the iniquity of the flock
      4 Truth and Wisdom (v. 7a & c) …who opened not his mouth, to resist
      5 The High Priest (v.12) …making intercession for transgressors
      6 The Righteous Servant (v. 11) …who through travail of his soul justifies many
      7 The True Witness, falsely accused (v. 4-5) …who has borne other’s griefs(*)

      * – was wounded for the transgressions of others, bruised for the iniquities of others, …chastised, whipped, and crucified for our sin.

      And His physical torture and death by execution and false judgment is counted as punishment and payment enough for all who will receive His offering of his own flesh and blood as sufficient to cover our own sin and debt.

      From verses 2 and 3 about (“no form nor comeliness … no beauty … despised … rejected”) and that they hid their faces from him… if one of Christ’s overcoming was disability, possibly even autism? (“stricken … smitten of God … afflicted)

  2. Genesis 17:1=And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. John 10:9 (Jesus said) I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. John 3:15-16= That whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. Zechariah 14:5=And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee. Revelation 1: 7-8=Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. Zechariah 14:9=And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one. Revelation 3:21=To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. Revelation 21: 5-7=And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. Revelations 22: 1=And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. John 7:38 =He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

    It will be over, all evil will be conquered, by His Glorious Task, from the beginning, when He first went forward to restore those who were lost, to the ending when all has been put under His foot.

    Matthew 5:6=Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. Matthew 5:3=Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:11=Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

    Buckle up…fill your lamps!

  3. It Can Happen Here: The Confiscation Scheme Planned for US and UK Depositors
    Posted on March 28, 2013 by Ellen Brown

    Confiscating the customer deposits in Cyprus banks, it seems, was not a one-off, desperate idea of a few Eurozone “troika” officials scrambling to salvage their balance sheets. A joint paper by the US Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation and the Bank of England dated December 10, 2012, shows that these plans have been long in the making; that they originated with the G20 Financial Stability Board in Basel, Switzerland (discussed earlier here); and that the result will be to deliver clear title to the banks of depositor funds.

    New Zealand has a similar directive, discussed in my last article here, indicating that this isn’t just an emergency measure for troubled Eurozone countries. New Zealand’s Voxy reported on March 19th:

    The National Government [is] pushing a Cyprus-style solution to bank failure in New Zealand which will see small depositors lose some of their savings to fund big bank bailouts . . . .

    Open Bank Resolution (OBR) is Finance Minister Bill English’s favoured option dealing with a major bank failure. If a bank fails under OBR, all depositors will have their savings reduced overnight to fund the bank’s bail out.

    Can They Do That?

    Although few depositors realize it, legally the bank owns the depositor’s funds as soon as they are put in the bank. Our money becomes the bank’s, and we become unsecured creditors holding IOUs or promises to pay. (See here and here.) But until now the bank has been obligated to pay the money back on demand in the form of cash. Under the FDIC-BOE plan, our IOUs will be converted into “bank equity.” The bank will get the money and we will get stock in the bank. With any luck we may be able to sell the stock to someone else, but when and at what price? Most people keep a deposit account so they can have ready cash to pay the bills.

    The 15-page FDIC-BOE document is called “Resolving Globally Active, Systemically Important, Financial Institutions.” It begins by explaining that the 2008 banking crisis has made it clear that some other way besides taxpayer bailouts is needed to maintain “financial stability.” Evidently anticipating that the next financial collapse will be on a grander scale than either the taxpayers or Congress is willing to underwrite, the authors state:

    An efficient path for returning the sound operations of the G-SIFI to the private sector would be provided by exchanging or converting a sufficient amount of the unsecured debt from the original creditors of the failed company [meaning the depositors] into equity [or stock]. In the U.S., the new equity would become capital in one or more newly formed operating entities. In the U.K., the same approach could be used, or the equity could be used to recapitalize the failing financial company itself—thus, the highest layer of surviving bailed-in creditors would become the owners of the resolved firm. In either country, the new equity holders would take on the corresponding risk of being shareholders in a financial institution.

    No exception is indicated for “insured deposits” in the U.S., meaning those under $250,000, the deposits we thought were protected by FDIC insurance. This can hardly be an oversight, since it is the FDIC that is issuing the directive. The FDIC is an insurance company funded by premiums paid by private banks. The directive is called a “resolution process,” defined elsewhere as a plan that “would be triggered in the event of the failure of an insurer . . . .” The only mention of “insured deposits” is in connection with existing UK legislation, which the FDIC-BOE directive goes on to say is inadequate, implying that it needs to be modified or overridden.

    An Imminent Risk

    If our IOUs are converted to bank stock, they will no longer be subject to insurance protection but will be “at risk” and vulnerable to being wiped out, just as the Lehman Brothers shareholders were in 2008. That this dire scenario could actually materialize was underscored by Yves Smith in a March 19th post titled When You Weren’t Looking, Democrat Bank Stooges Launch Bills to Permit Bailouts, Deregulate Derivatives. She writes:

    In the US, depositors have actually been put in a worse position than Cyprus deposit-holders, at least if they are at the big banks that play in the derivatives casino. The regulators have turned a blind eye as banks use their depositaries to fund derivatives exposures. And as bad as that is, the depositors, unlike their Cypriot confreres, aren’t even senior creditors. Remember Lehman? When the investment bank failed, unsecured creditors (and remember, depositors are unsecured creditors) got eight cents on the dollar. One big reason was that derivatives counterparties require collateral for any exposures, meaning they are secured creditors. The 2005 bankruptcy reforms made derivatives counterparties senior to unsecured lenders.

    One might wonder why the posting of collateral by a derivative counterparty, at some percentage of full exposure, makes the creditor “secured,” while the depositor who puts up 100 cents on the dollar is “unsecured.” But moving on – Smith writes:

    Lehman had only two itty bitty banking subsidiaries, and to my knowledge, was not gathering retail deposits. But as readers may recall, Bank of America moved most of its derivatives from its Merrill Lynch operation [to] its depositary in late 2011.

    Its “depositary” is the arm of the bank that takes deposits; and at B of A, that means lots and lots of deposits. The deposits are now subject to being wiped out by a major derivatives loss. How bad could that be? Smith quotes Bloomberg:

    . . . Bank of America’s holding company . . . held almost $75 trillion of derivatives at the end of June . . . .

    That compares with JPMorgan’s deposit-taking entity, JPMorgan Chase Bank NA, which contained 99 percent of the New York-based firm’s $79 trillion of notional derivatives, the OCC data show.

    $75 trillion and $79 trillion in derivatives! These two mega-banks alone hold more in notional derivatives each than the entire global GDP (at $70 trillion). The “notional value” of derivatives is not the same as cash at risk, but according to a cross-post on Smith’s site:

    By at least one estimate, in 2010 there was a total of $12 trillion in cash tied up (at risk) in derivatives . . . .

    $12 trillion is close to the US GDP. Smith goes on:

    . . . Remember the effect of the 2005 bankruptcy law revisions: derivatives counterparties are first in line, they get to grab assets first and leave everyone else to scramble for crumbs. . . . Lehman failed over a weekend after JP Morgan grabbed collateral.

    But it’s even worse than that. During the savings & loan crisis, the FDIC did not have enough in deposit insurance receipts to pay for the Resolution Trust Corporation wind-down vehicle. It had to get more funding from Congress. This move paves the way for another TARP-style shakedown of taxpayers, this time to save depositors.

    Perhaps, but Congress has already been burned and is liable to balk a second time. Section 716 of the Dodd-Frank Act specifically prohibits public support for speculative derivatives activities. And in the Eurozone, while the European Stability Mechanism committed Eurozone countries to bail out failed banks, they are apparently having second thoughts there as well. On March 25th, Dutch Finance Minister Jeroen Dijsselbloem, who played a leading role in imposing the deposit confiscation plan on Cyprus, told reporters that it would be the template for any future bank bailouts, and that “the aim is for the ESM never to have to be used.”

    That explains the need for the FDIC-BOE resolution. If the anticipated enabling legislation is passed, the FDIC will no longer need to protect depositor funds; it can just confiscate them.

    Worse Than a Tax

    An FDIC confiscation of deposits to recapitalize the banks is far different from a simple tax on taxpayers to pay government expenses. The government’s debt is at least arguably the people’s debt, since the government is there to provide services for the people. But when the banks get into trouble with their derivative schemes, they are not serving depositors, who are not getting a cut of the profits. Taking depositor funds is simply theft.

    What should be done is to raise FDIC insurance premiums and make the banks pay to keep their depositors whole, but premiums are already high; and the FDIC, like other government regulatory agencies, is subject to regulatory capture. Deposit insurance has failed, and so has the private banking system that has depended on it for the trust that makes banking work.

    The Cyprus haircut on depositors was called a “wealth tax” and was written off by commentators as “deserved,” because much of the money in Cypriot accounts belongs to foreign oligarchs, tax dodgers and money launderers. But if that template is applied in the US, it will be a tax on the poor and middle class. Wealthy Americans don’t keep most of their money in bank accounts. They keep it in the stock market, in real estate, in over-the-counter derivatives, in gold and silver, and so forth.

    Are you safe, then, if your money is in gold and silver? Apparently not – if it’s stored in a safety deposit box in the bank. Homeland Security has reportedly told banks that it has authority to seize the contents of safety deposit boxes without a warrant when it’s a matter of “national security,” which a major bank crisis no doubt will be.

    The Swedish Alternative: Nationalize the Banks

    Another alternative was considered but rejected by President Obama in 2009: nationalize mega-banks that fail. In a February 2009 article titled “Are Uninsured Bank Depositors in Danger?“, Felix Salmon discussed a newsletter by Asia-based investment strategist Christopher Wood, in which Wood wrote:

    It is . . . amazing that Obama does not understand the political appeal of the nationalization option. . . . [D]espite this latest setback nationalization of the banks is coming sooner or later because the realities of the situation will demand it. The result will be shareholders wiped out and bondholders forced to take debt-for-equity swaps, if not hopefully depositors.

    On whether depositors could indeed be forced to become equity holders, Salmon commented:

    It’s worth remembering that depositors are unsecured creditors of any bank; usually, indeed, they’re by far the largest class of unsecured creditors.

    President Obama acknowledged that bank nationalization had worked in Sweden, and that the course pursued by the US Fed had not worked in Japan, which wound up instead in a “lost decade.” But Obama opted for the Japanese approach because, according to Ed Harrison, “Americans will not tolerate nationalization.”

    But that was four years ago. When Americans realize that the alternative is to have their ready cash transformed into “bank stock” of questionable marketability, moving failed mega-banks into the public sector may start to have more appeal.


    Ellen Brown is an attorney, chairman of the Public Banking Institute, and the author of eleven books, including Web of Debt: The Shocking Truth About Our Money System and How We Can Break Free. Her websites are webofdebt.com and ellenbrown.com. For details of the June 2013 Public Banking Institute conference in San Rafael, California, see here.


    • “http://sherriequestioningall.blogspot.com/2013/03/jim-rogers-on-cnbc-32813-get-your-money.html” Thursday, March 28, 2013

      Video-Jim Rogers on CNBC 3/28/13 – “Get your money out of the Banks, they are going to loot it”. WOW – CNBC agreed.

    • There is no news flashes about banking in my tiny world….just a very small sign change in the window at my bank. They cut business hours by 9 hours a week! My bank is supposed to be one of the healthier ones too. There was no advance notice either….I just closed my shop 5 minutes early because I needed to get the rent check covered by the next morning and was shocked to see them closed at 4 p.m.! It isn’t like they have other branches here either. I could see changing hours if customer volume could be absorbed by another office close by like in big cities.

      Kermit says, “Wow, is it getting hot in here or is it just me?”

    • Just wondering, is everyone’s household on board with what’s about to happen financially? What’s the best bet: food and medicine, cash, or gold and silver or a combination thereof?

    • Lilac… I have come into some information from Joel Skousen. He seems to be in the know about all these things. According to him, the banking globalist cartel do not want an outright catastrophic collapse of the dollar. They want a controlled collapse. They will probably prevent that catastrophic collapse through starting more war in the middle east. That’s a rough draft of what I heard him say. Beyond that… I don’t know what to tell ya. I can tell you though that there is a passage in the old testament (forgot which book) that describes people throwing their gold and silver in the streets because it becomes worthless. Gary Stearman did a piece on this the other day on his website “Prophecy in the New”.

      Hope that helps ya.

    • An added thought about the controlled collapse… They want a controlled collapse in the sense of devaluing the dollar slowly over time. So my take is that it will always be worth something until they get it low enough to where we’re paying way too much for everything. Then people will start hollering for the new “currency” whatever that will be.

      My take is get some storable food for up to a year or as much as you can afford it and other necessities.

    • To be quite honest, the Amish lifestyle….which combines a fatih in Jesus Christ, and a lifestyle as God promoted, keeping out of the global financial system and technology, and relying on their own labor and small community of like minded followers of Christ. Their holdings will be well positioned to assist those who make it through the Wrath and go into the Mellinnium with their clay bodies. If the Amish are true believers in Jesus Christ, they will no longer need their holding, and they will have prepared and excellant gift for those that Christ wants to help who were not transformed.

      For most all of the others, of course, Faith in Jesus Christ is first…which I am guessing most on this list have. Than my own personal opinion is to provide for your family for at least 6 months of food, energy (propane tanks as one example of independent engery source, wood burning equipment and wood would be another), water that doesn’t rely on electricity to be available, protection for your family from those who want to destroy them or harm them (evil ones), barter goods, extra clothes, food, blankets to help others that seek shelter. If you have the means, purchasing a small house and land where you can grow your own food within a small community nearby far away from big cities would be optimum. If I were not retired already I would seek early retirement (as I did years ago) and a place to set up. We lost faith in the systems of man years ago. If you have relatives that are away from cities, I would contact them and make plans to meet up with them, and store food and such at their place, so you are not a burden to them when the time comes…if our Father gives us a heads up.

    • Thanks Corey. I’ll look into what Joel says. I do remember that passage in the Bible about gold becoming worthless. I guess the only question is if it can be used temporarily while the dollar falls, but I guess it’s not the best choice if we know what happens in the end. By the way, I do have some storage of food, meds, and other supplies, but it’s hard to get my spouse totally on board with what I believe is happening and what all needs to be done. With experts asking for alien disclosure, the ban on gay marriage about to fall, and nukes directed at us, I think it’s clear Jesus is at the door. I guess you see it or you don’t.

    • My understanding of a world wide economic collapse is that we (the church) will be in Heaven when all this goes down. The problem is that we don’t know exactly how much pain we are going to have to endure before the rapture. That scripture in Joel where people are throwing their gold and silver into the streets happens in “The Day of The Lord” which would be the Tribulation. We won’t be here when that happens.

  4. LA! Thanks for posting Isaiah 53, it’s one of my very favorite scriptures that totally describes and prophesies the coming of the Lord and what He will and went through, including the consequences if one doesn’t believe in Him–forfeiture of life eternal in Him from Heaven.

    I believe in the report of the Lord, I believe He died and rose again on that third day. I believe He is sitting on the right hand of the Father ruling and reigning past eternity!


    Thank you Father God for sending your Son, Jesus Christ, to take my sins and nailed them to the Cross. Thank you Jesus for winning the victory of life over death! Thank you for including me and mine as part of your Kingdom in Heaven.

    Blessings everyone.

  5. I am filled with anticipation, while we are finally getting a reprieve from the cold and wet weather, the birds are singing and the sun is shining I sense war coming: and it’s the self same day. Our deliverance comes and the hammer as well. May we all be found under the shelter of the Most High.

    • I agree, Mrs M and I think I dressed you metaphor today!……..
      Though the sun is shining here and the FedEx man thinks it is warm enough for bermudas and short sleeved shirt…..I know that it is not all as warm as it looks and a cold wind is blowing in from the big lake. So in faith, I put on a gauze blouse in bright spring colors but because I have accepted guidance and it has warned me….I have a heavy thermal under shirt on beneath it! 🙂
      I just wanted to shake that FedEx guy and say…..”It just looks nice out….look around ya, man. There are still 3 foot piles of snow and it is only 40 degrees and could well dip to 30 before you get home tonight!!”

  6. New research suggests Shroud of Turin dates to Jesus’ era

    Tests conducted on the Shroud of Turin by researchers at Italy’s University of Padua indicate that the linen sheet believed by some to be Christ’s burial cloth dates back to Jesus’ lifetime.

    The 14-foot-long cloth bearing the image of a man with wounds similar to those suffered by Christ was analyzed by university scientists using infrared light, according to The Daily Telegraph.

    The research linking the shroud to between 280 B.C. and A.D. 220 was published in book by Giulio Fanti, a professor at Padua University, and journalist Saverio Gaeta.

    Fanti, a Catholic, told the Telegraph that the results were based on 15 years of research on fibers taken from the cloth, which were subjected to radiation intensity tests.

    Fanti told the paper he rejects the conclusion of carbon dating tests conducted in 1988 that bolstered the theory the shroud was made in the 13th or 14th century in a medieval forgery.

    Those results, Fanti said, were “false” because of laboratory contamination, the Telegraph reported.

    The Vatican has never confirmed the authenticity of the shroud, but a Vatican researcher in 2009 said that faint writing on the cloth proves it was used to wrap Jesus’ body after his crucifixion.

    The cloth is presently housed in Turin Cathedral in northwest Italy.

    • Hal Lindsey, tonight on tv, talked about the grave wrappings/dressing that were discovered by young John and the other Apostle, when they went to His tomb after Mary reported to them; and why because of how they were wrapped on Christ’s body in preparation for burial, why it proved He resurrected. It was interesting. He said the custom back than was to wrap the body in strips of cloth, coated in two substances, that when they dried made the wrapping like shelac, hard and glued together, form fitting around the body..kinda like a mummy. The body was wrapped in the bandages and the head was not. The head was covered with a burial cloth. He said the observation of the burial wrappings, being in tack but empty was a wonder and showed that the only way out of those hard coverings was via passing through them, just like Jesus could pass through doorways. The head cloth was folded neatly by the empty burial dressing still intact. Did anyone else see this program?

    • Jesus’ burial was hurried to have him in the tomb by sundown on the sabbath, the women who found the tomb empty were on their way to do those dressings on the 3rd day.

      Luke 23 50 And, behold, there was a man named Joseph, a counsellor; and he was a good man, and a just:

      51 (The same had not consented to the counsel and deed of them;) he was of Arimathaea, a city of the Jews: who also himself waited for the kingdom of God.

      52 This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus.

      53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.

      54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.

      55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.

      56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

      Luke 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.

      2 And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.

    • note there that scripture just says the body was wrapped in linen……like the sheet may be pulled over the face of someone who dies until the mortician later does the rest of the preparation nowadays

  7. Jesus said there would be no sign given except the sign of Jonah (Matthew 12:38-40) as to who He was. I believe the Shroud of Turin is a fulfillment of “the sign of Jonah.” He proved His resurrection 3 days after He was crucified and He left His calling card, as L.A. likes to say – The Shroud. If you watch the video, “The Fabric on Time”, you will be convinced that the Shroud is indeed the burial cloth of Christ and not only that – the Shroud itself proves the resurrection.

    • The correct name of the video is “The Fabric Of Time”. L.A. used to carry it on his site. I’m not sure if he still does.

    • I’d always understood the death and resurrection of Christ being the sign of Jonah.

      See: “http://www.gotquestions.org/sign-of-Jonah.html” for example.

      I have some questions and healthy skepticism of the shroud myself.

      John 20:29

      “29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. ”

      I don’t think this has changed. 😉

      Blessings. 🙂

    • I have that video DVD in my video library. I have about 8 documentary videos on the shroud. Can’t recommend this one enough. An excellent video with alot of enlightening information.

      Bottom line: The shroud of Turin image is that of Jesus.

    • Eric… If ya want a true rendering of America in Biblical prophecy, I would urge you to get the book “Plucking the Eagle’s Wings” by Perry Stone. It is pretty amazing as he shows you how America’s true identity is established in scripture. This book will show you a map of America and the Old Testament tabernacle of Moses and what happens when you place a map of America over that tabernacle with the furniture that sat inside it. It’s pretty astounding. The jist of it is that God raised up America for the end times to preach the gospel. You’ll get some very strange and peculiar things concerning America’s history that is not widely known to most people.

  8. This is my most favorite passage of Scripture. I cant wait to see/hear the musical.
    Also, this is my first time to post, but I read the blog daily. Blessings to all on this holy weekend!

  9. Just downloaded the HD app (Shroud 2.0) for my Ipad. If anyone is interested in the shroud, ya gotta check this app. It’s free, but that’s just to get you in so you pay $3.99 for all the features but it’s worth it.

  10. The Shroud is certainly “shrouded” in mystery much like other mysteries such as the virgin birth, the resurrection, and all the other miracles.
    Religious faith is more powerful than science and no amount of debunking can shake peoples deeply held convictions.
    I have taken a stand, however, and I prefer to believe that the shroud is indeed authentic, and while there remains a tiny bit of nagging doubt inside me, I prefer to ignore that doubt intentionally. Some of the question I can’t seem to get a grasp on is…

    1) There was a catholic bishop in Europe during the middle ages who claimed the cloth was a forgery.

    2) The Jews at the time of Christ wrapped the bodies of the dead mummy style in strips of linen. Also they wrapped the head of Jesus with a handkerchief according to the Gospel of St. John.

    The handkerchief tightly wrapped on the sides of Jesus’ head could not produce the shroud image.

    3) Jesus would not have long hair as in the image on the cloth

    • I can’t encourage all of you enough to please watch, “The Fabric of Time.” It will clear up any doubts that you might have. It answered all of my questions. L.A. recommended the video. Barry Schwartz is also a great resource on the Shroud. He appeared in one of L.A.’s Watchers DVD. He was the (Jewish) photographer on the STERP team who thought he would disprove the Shroud in a few hours. Instead, he has come to believe that the image on the cloth is Jesus Christ.

    • What if that’s good doubt?

      Here’s an example of some good points and questions about the Shroud from Dr. James Fleming.

      Who is he? “http://www.digging4it.com/about.htm” Hit the About our Founder section. Long/short: An archaeologist and an expert on Biblical time period.

      Here’s what he said about the Shroud:


      Page 11

      Dr. Fleming:
      Yeah. Well gosh, a specific discovery for example; grave customs you never
      throw away old clothing you use it as rags, and your tear them up into strips. And you swaddle infants, you wrap infants, and you swaddle the dead. The word should be grave cloths, not graves clothes because you would wrap a body with torn up strips of cloth.

      Dr. Reagan:
      So are you saying the Shroud of Turin is not…

      Dr. Fleming:
      As an example you got right to it. In later periods you will have a burial shroud,
      but in biblical times you would wrap a body.

      Now when you wrap a body it is fine going up to the shoulders but then you have to come into the neck. So the head wrapping are always a little bit separate from the body wrappings.

      Nathan Jones:
      That would explain then why Lazarus had to be untied, he didn’t pull off a
      shroud he had to be untied.

      Dr. Reagan:
      Or why there was a separate head wrapping for Jesus.

      Dr. Fleming:
      So don’t think of, if someone had stolen the body and left the grave wrappings
      there would be one pile of grave cloths. But if the body wrappings were one place and there was the head wrappings separate from them, this is what made peter believe, right?

      That the body was gone but the wrappings were undisturbed. Now I don’t want to make it a too literal thing because obviously the mystery of the resurrection presence of Christ is the reality much more important then just looking at grave cloths, but aha, that is what it would have meant if you stopped to ask what were burial customs in the time of Jesus?

      ^^ I think he makes some good points and asks some good questions. I’m not trying to bash the thing and I’m even willing to concede something supernatural very likely happened with the Shroud but that’s as far as I can go with it confidently and honestly myself.

    • Eric, thank you for your comments. I felt I was the only one that was going to question this thing. First off, God made it clear through the scripture that we were not to make images. Why would He make one? He knows mankind will inevitably worship them so I do not believe He would tempt us like this. But Satan would! Also it is clear this image still has his beard, and yet Isaiah 50:6 says that they plucked out (Strong’s = made bald) his beard. I believe antichrist, when he comes, will look just like this guy

  11. “The Fabric of Time” goes far above the information in Watchers 3. The Watchers 3 information on the Shroud is the Readers Digest version. “The Fabric of Time” is 2 hrs long. There is an extended interview with Dame Isabel Piczek concerning particle physics and singularity concerning the resurrection. There are experts in the field of botany, and evidence that the Sudarium of Oviedo is the face cloth of Christ because the blood stains match with the image on the Shroud. There are legal arguments and the holographic images on the Shroud are explored. I am no expert. I can only ask you all to watch the video because it will satisfy many of your doubts.

  12. This is a very short comment, however yesterday morning at 5.45 am on my way to work i witnessed a very green meteor fly across the northern sky !I COULD NOT BELIEVE HOW GREEN, like a stop light. Only one other person at work saw it to the local news wants to interview her. I live in northern Colorado, And this TIME OF MORNING is when i have peace to PRAY. WHAT A SIGN, Hang on everyone.

    • Jan Emery… I’m not sure if you listen to COast to Coast or not but George Noory had on a guest a week or two or three ago and he was talking about how this Planet X sighting is bringing with it meteors, comets, asteroids and whatever else and this is why we’re seeing more and more of these things. Apparently Planet X is being spotted in some parts of the world at certain times of the day in certain places in the sky. I think he was saying that by June we will get to see this “planet” with our eyes. I’ll take it with a grain of salt but apparently the party begins in June according to him.

  13. I got the “Fabric in Time” dvd (complete with 3-D glasses) after Chuck Missler recommended it. When I first watched it and the scenes came up where you’re supposed to put your glasses on to appreciate the depth of the image…I found myself on my KNEES in front of the TV.
    How cool is that?
    Without even knowing or trying, there I was, in the posture Jesus said we’d all be….”every knee shall bow, every tongue confess…”
    Yes, it’s that good.

  14. Just a thought…
    I was wondering if Planet X could be the new Jerusalem coming down from heaven? Any thoughts?…..

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