Sunday Go To Meeting Bun!

Bun!!!Sunday Bun

by

L. A. Marzulli

But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit [of all]:

1 Corinthians 12: 10  to another the working of miracles…

We have been looking at the gifts of the spirit as listed in, 1 Corinthians 12.  This is a controversial passage in that some in the church believe these gifts are still in operation while others insist they are not.  I want to make one point very clear, I’m not trying to twist anyones arm in believing as I do.  However, as I discussed a few weeks ago, one of the first gifts listed is this:

for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit,

Who amongst us is wise enough NOT to ask for wisdom?  I would venture most of us have asked for wisdom in dealing with the situations life throws at us.  How can we argue that a loving God would NOT give us wisdom when we ask for it?  If we believe the Holy Spirit is dwelling on the earth,  and in every believer, as scripture tells us He does when we are born again, then shouldn’t we expect to see the gifts we have been discussing manifest in our lives?

We often hear stories from missionaries, in far away lands who experience the gift of miracles.   A friend of mine was on a mission trip in the Philippines.  There were thousands of people gathered together and hundreds came to the Lord, which when we think about it is a miracle in itself, as the human heart resists yielding to the spirit of the living God.  He was in the front praying with people when a woman came to him with her daughter gathered on her back.  She literally dumped her daughter on the stage and my friend saw her twisted legs.  The young woman had been crippled from birth.  Think about it, this is a mother who has had the faith to walk who knows how many miles believing her daughter is going to be made well.

My friend put his hands on the woman’s legs and began to pray.  He told me he could literally feel the bones moving beneath his hands and it startled him.  The gift of miracles was in operation and my friend became part of it.  The woman’s legs were made whole and she walked unassisted for the first time in her life.

For those of us who are wary of the gifts, how can we argue with this?  I asked my friend if he felt anything, like the power of God move on him and he replied, he didn’t feel anything, he just prayed and the Holy Spirit moved.

We serve a loving God who sent His son to save, heal and deliver us, not only from sin and death, but sometimes from the diseases which cripple us.  The other side of the coin is this.  All of us have prayed for loved ones who are sick or perhaps dying of cancer at an early age.  We pray and nothing happens.  I have no easy answer for that.  I don’t understand why God moves in one case and not in another.

In closing todays Bun:  As we shall see as we move on through this chapter, the greatest of these gifts is love.  The comment section is sometimes a great example of how NOT to show love to one another.  We’ve had remarks from non-Christians who come here and are amazed at the conflict they see raging in the comment section.  May I suggest we think before we write?  There is a saying that Christians conduct their firing squads in a circle.  Having been in the church for almost 33 years, I can attest to this dismal fact.  Before Jesus went to the cross He admonished His disciples to love one another.  Do we heed these words?  I could argue the gift of miracles could be seen in operation on this Blog, if the comment section reflected the love of God.  Blessings to all.

133 thoughts on “Sunday Go To Meeting Bun!

  1. Welcome back. 🙂 We missed you. Hope you had a blessed week with our friends at PITN. I really hope Gary can recover this weekend. I was very troubled by how sick he was over the course of the week and have kept him in prayer and rallied as many prayer warriors on that as I could.

    Thank you for this Word and Bun today. 🙂 One of the problems out there and I’m including myself in this is: People have become jaded and paranoid/overprotective because they’ve either been in or witnessed FAR too many counterfeit situations when it comes to gifts and miracles.

    So I GREATLY appreciate testimonies like these and you know a little bit of my personal testimony to know that I certainly know, believe, and agree that God heals and does everything else in 1 Cor. 12 to this very day.

    Blessings, love, and thanks to the Clan Marzulli as always. Enjoy the rest of your weekend. 🙂

    • Good morning Eric,

      I wanted to respond to your comments:

      “witnessed FAR too many counterfeit situations when it comes to gifts and miracles.

      The word of God tell us that “Satan cannot cast out Satan and a house divided against itself will fall”.

      As far a healing and deliverance goes these two gifts, if I am understanding scripture right, that Satan cannot counterfeit because it would go against the word of God concerning casting himself out and he would not do thins because his job is to steal, kill and destroy…it would go against his nature…

      So healing and deliverance are off limits for him..

      I know the bible speaks of the Antichrist is going to be doing “miracles” to draw many into him…this type opf miracle will be like what happened in the days of Moses when the “seers” threw the rods down and it turned into snakes”

      The Antichrist will not be able to heal of cast out demons because it goes against the word of God concerning the limitations of how he can operate…

      So my point is…..if you see an actual healing or witness and actual deliverance it IS from God because the enemy is off limits concerning any counterfeits of those two gifts…..

      If someone thinks otherwise they will need to back it up in scripture…No where in scripture did Satan heal or cast out….he cannot cast himself out
      (or his cohorts) and that would be dividing his house and doing good which is not in his character….

      Blessings

    • The overarching thrust here is: What God ALLOWS since Satan himself is limited in terms of what he can do. Critical conditional there. 🙂

      “http://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/stewart.cfm?id=91”

      “http://www.gotquestions.org/counterfeit-miracles.html”

      ^^ Sets the tone of where I’m coming from.

      “As far a healing and deliverance goes these two gifts, if I am understanding scripture right, that Satan cannot counterfeit because it would go against the word of God concerning casting himself out and he would not do thins because his job is to steal, kill and destroy…it would go against his nature…

      So healing and deliverance are off limits for him..”

      Which Scriptures?

      “The Antichrist will not be able to heal of cast out demons because it goes against the word of God concerning the limitations of how he can operate…”

      Of course he can’t and won’t. It’s all FAKE. Counterfeit. NOT REAL. 😉

      A kingdom divided against itself… That’s true. 🙂 Of course he would never cast out demons for real. That doesn’t make any sense.

      “So my point is…..if you see an actual healing or witness and actual deliverance it IS from God because the enemy is off limits concerning any counterfeits of those two gifts…..”

      Key word there: ACTUAL. Then 1 John 4 has to come into play to make sure it’s an actual.

      “If someone thinks otherwise they will need to back it up in scripture…”

      That door swings both ways. 😉

      “No where in scripture did Satan heal or cast out….he cannot cast himself out
      (or his cohorts) and that would be dividing his house and doing good which is not in his character….”

      Of course not. Again, we’re talking about a sham. Counterfeit. Fake. A lie. A deception. Not real. Not an ACTUAL. 😉

      ^^

      I can assure you that’s been going on for a while but again, I would have to start getting specific, posting youtube videos and probably start a small war on this blog with some folks to really prove my point and I’m not going to do that. 😉

      I’ll stick to Scriptures and people can be Bereans and see who and what makes the cut and who/what doesn’t. 🙂

      See Matthew 24:23-25

      See 2 Thessalonians 2:9-15 especially verse 9 (and context).

      ^^ I get a “all bets are off” message from that especially in any kind of latter days/last days context and especially with the AC himself.

      Regardless of translation, that word “all” keeps getting used. All powers, signs, and lying wonders, etc. I could be nuts but all usually means all…just like is means is. 😉

      “http://www.acts17-11.com/dialogs_signs_and_wonders.html”
      ^^ I can’t vouch for everything on this site but I thought this article with quoted Scripture broke it down well. Worth it for the Scriptures cited at least if nothing else.

      2 Corinthians 11:14-15 <- Got plenty of that going around these days. Been going for a while.

      Matthew 7:21-23

      I also I cite the fake miracles that Pharoah's court of magicians did in the book of Exodus as more proof that Satan can do counterfeit miracles and good looking ones, to boot.

      Spirit of A.C. is alive, well, and strong. I've even heard Russ talk about times where they thought they'd pulled off a successful deliverance and got a really nice fake out job and had to go for it again. Past that he's talked about awesome fake out situations with multiples and alters who came *this* close to killing him, etc.

      Bottom line: Satan knows how to put one heck of a set of parlor tricks. 😉

    • Eric, I have to get some things done today….I am going to be moving this week and lots to do..however I will respond so look later for my response…I want to go line upon line or your reply 🙂

      Love ya & God bless!
      darla

    • @ Eric, RIGHT ON!!!

      “Key word there: ACTUAL. Then 1 John 4 has to come into play to make sure it’s an actual.”

      Two of us prayed for one of my closest friends and had miraculous (that is, instantaneous) evidence of healing of her scoliosis. She didn’t need her custom therapeutic shoes (one shoe about 2 inches higher heeled than the other) any more and her chiropractor was amazed!

      BUT it turned out that the demonic strongman had just gone into hiding (to accomplish several treacheries, which I may describe later). Very soon, Holy Spirit uncovered the deception & showed us the true root of the infirmity (in this case it was inappropriate burden-bearing of my friend).

      Then we could minister true deliverance! Thank you, Jesus!

    • Darla: Good luck with the move!

      Amaezed: Great to see you. 🙂 I’ve run into a number of credible testimonies like that. That’s a perfect example of what I’m trying to get at.

      Praise the Lord there’s also been plenty of actual healings, too. My mother herself has been a beneficiary once…arguably twice at least. 😉

      I think I got healed at least once myself that I can recall.

      We’ve had several instances with the family where some undeniable protection came into play as well. Two car accidents that should have happened by all rights but didn’t and some other things. 🙂

    • Even fallen leaders can operate in the gifts of the Holy Spirit, if coming in contact with true prophets, as with king Saul at Samuel’s Rama. So the advice is, as Paul wrote: Despise not, but test all, keep what is good.

    • Hi Amaezed “girlfriend”

      I get what you are saying there…here is my take:

      When we pray we need to always ask the Spirit of God if we are to pray for healing or deliverance…..something may look like it truly needs to be healed when in actuality it is rooted in a dark spirit which means a deliverance first then healing for the physical restoration. So my take on what you just wrote is that the one ministering, somewhat was in error because the spirit should have been cast out first….( I am sure this was a learning experience for the ministers also)

      If you do not get to the root you do not get to the problem.

      So you stated that the Holy Spirit showed the root…..the root never changed, the Holy Spirit never changed..it was the minister who had to hear from Holy Spirit and change the method of prayer…you see? This was not a case of counterfeit..it was a case of listening and ministering accurately and according to what Holy Spirit was saying. ( unless you left some crucial detail out that I am missing here)

      There has been many times I see people pray for healing when actually a “casting out”needs to take place.

      A healing is a healing……If there was a woman, lets say with a broken leg and she was healed to where she cut the cast of and ran around the room….Satan cannot counterfeit this..a healing is a healing…there is no counterfeit to healing…a healing is a healing…( i am open to reasoning together on this with scripture as back up if someone wants to jump in on this…I have no problem with being corrected)

      Satan would be “dividing his house” so to speak…going against his nature also…you cannot fake a healing…a healing is a healing…the proof would be the lady cutting off her cast and running around the room..she could not do that unless a healing took place concerning her broken leg…there is no counter to this..the bible says a house divided against itself will fall…Satan will not and can not heal and he CANNOT cast himself ( or cohorts) out. THIS IS THE WORD OF GOD……these are two things you cannot fake…..

      This is why there is so much going on out there against POWER gifts (healing and deliverance). Satan cannot fake a healing…a healing is a healing and a deliverance is a deliverance…..

      Second example would be deliverance…a deliverance is a deliverance and the bible states that Satan cannot cast out Satan….so when a demon truly comes out of a person there is no counterfeit….the demon came out period.

      I can see where the demon might play a game with the one ministering and pretend it has left just to mess with that person but i do not think this to be a counterfeit it is just a demon playing its games with the minister… a deliverance is a deliverance.

      Why is there so many issues concerning healing and deliverance amongst the church? Satan knows he has no ground to stand on when these two gifts are in operation….( he has no ground anyhow but these two gifts HE HATES)

      anyone can jump in here..I am totally open on this…..

    • Satan can counterfeit other gift such as tongues, words of knowledge by sorcery, ect ….healing and deliverance there is no way to counterfeit….it would go against Gods scripture of Satan not being able to cast out Satan and a house divided against itself will fall….. anyone?

    • Unfortunately, not all “healings” are as easy to verify as a broken leg and have proven over time to have been false. Ditto there are deliverances that appear to be deliverances but have proven over time to not have been.

      There are so many questions because not everything is as it appears to be, and, at least in America, Satan has been successful in using charlatans and thieves to bring disrepute on the church in general and the gifts specifically.

    • and…the miracles of Pharoh had nothing to do with healing or deliverance…..it was about turning rods into snakes ect…magic

    • LookingUp, there is also the possibility to loose one’s healing, just as a person can loose his or her salvation. If we recognize that salvation is only upheld through faith AND our confession (Rom. 10), then we should also recognize that healing is upheld through the same principle. Or what ever you receive from Jesus. Doubt it or deny it, and it may be gone tomorrow. Dont let the enemy come and cast doubt on God’s gifts, for doubt is also a kind of faith, that works against miracles.

    • I don’t believe we can loose our salvation based on the many promises in the Word about us being kept in Christ by Christ. Are we saved by faith and kept by works? No.
      Are you talking about getting sick again?

    • We have been to trained up in the body to be weary of the gifts and specially healing and deliverance. We have come to the conclusion that healing and deliverance can be faked by the enemy…after much study I have changed my thinking on this due to the scriptures below.

      Satan cannot cast out Satan….
      A house divided against itself will fall….

      He cannot go against his nature…steal, kill and destroy… he would be dividing his house

      I am open for discussion on this…we can reason together..I have no problem with correction..i just need to see it lined up with the word..

      Love you guys

    • Well, to play along with your doctrine (LookingUp) of once saved always saved, (which I dont believe in): You can certainly loose the manifestation of your salvation, that is, go back to drinking, swearing, cheating and so on. Likewise one can loose the manifestation of one’s healing, by doubting it or denying it or by listening to the enemy’s voices through science, doctors or whoever. The result is the same – we loose what God gave us, at least in this life.

    • Life,
      sorry I have to comment on your reply..going back to drinking ect……

      When someone is brought to salvation there can be many manifestations of change…quitting drinking ect…however if “roots” are not dealt with proberly after one is saved then those things can sneak back in on the believer..that is why they are called “backslide”..The great thing is that now that they ARE saved they have become what I call “Holy Ground” meaning they have a fighting chance against the enemy to free from such things. They might slip back into things but this is where the “Body” can come into a persons life with the gifts and minister to this person…..God will work on cleaning up this person who can become “meet for the Masters use”..

      With what you wrote you are stating that ones salvation only comes by getting clean before the Lord first…this is inaccurate because we are to come as we are and He can start to clean us up from the inside out….One needs to be willing to have God examine him and let God do a work in him otherwise he is a believer who is saved but will not be meet for the masters use…..

      You are stating by your comment that people are saved by works and not faith in the blood Christ shed…..

    • Sorry Darla, but I dont understand what you mean. I believe as you that one only can be saved by faith in Christ’s work. But we have to confess with our mouth, as Paul writes. Such a confession is not a work of the flesh, it’s a work of God through us, which we allow by letting it through our lips. God delights in faith. Without it, we will at least loose the manifestation of salvation, and turn back to the old ways. It’s the same principle as in Reveletion 12:11, they overcame by the blood and their word of testimony.

    • Life, Your statement : “You can certainly loose the manifestation of your salvation, that is, go back to drinking, swearing, cheating and so on”

      Maybe I missed what you were stating….”Manifestation”….so you ARE or ARE NOT stating that you can loose your salvation if you go back into things of a worldly nature? Did I miss understand…I though you were stating you can loose your salvation……

    • Re: “Vessels meet for the Masters use”

      A majority of believers never grow up past salvation….that is it for them and they are just waiting for God to come and rapture them out of here.

      God wants us to be vessels “MEET” for the Master’s USE..He wants to use us but to do so He needs to clean us up a bit so He can pour more of Himself into us.

      What many do not realize is salvation is only the first step…the next are kinda going to be uncomfortable because now God wants to clean you up from the inside out and this does not feel good when He is doing it…He will begin to show things about yourself that is not His character and anything that is not His character He wants to clean out and He will replace that cleaned up area with His character…The more of His character you walk in you become more like Him and thus prepared (meet) for Him to use you in ministry…We all have to go through cleaning up a bit…we do have to be perfect but we need to be “Meet for the Master’s use” He will deal with issues in our lives and bring things to the surface..BUT He will never go against your free will…so maybe He shows you something about yourself but you reject Him working on that area…..then that is just a part of you that He cannot fill up with His presence….The more you let Him clean out the more of His presence will reside in you thus making you fit for ministry..”Meet for the Master’s use”….

      Unfortunately the church has gone so far downhill..very few brothers and sitters can help explain this process of going through the CLEANING part…Many only get to the FIRST step which is salvation….this is only the beginning…….

    • Darla, I’m saying that you can at least loose the manifestation of your salvation, by going back to one’s old ways. That is, you loose the power to overcome sin, drugs, old habits, and so on. What’s in the heart only God knows. The power to free us from the world’s ways comes from the Holy Spirit. If we dont have that power, we may try to fake it with pious acts, but that dont impress God. He has to do the work. A person who falls back to the world may still have the true faith resting in his heart, while a very pious person may have no real faith at all. But just as manifestation of healing comes through faith and confession, salvation does. Thats what Romans 10 is about. Just believing in the heart and not confessing isnt going anywhere. Thats why many loose their (manifestation of) salvation. They keep quiet. They dont confess Jesus when they have opportunities. Healing and gifts and all Gods workings works the same way. Faith and confession. I believe, therefore I speak. Speaking is believing. It’s God’s work through us. Not the flesh, the Spirit.

    • Life…..hmmmmmmm…

      I disagree with your statement “That is, you loose the power to overcome sin, drugs, old habits, and so on. ”

      Many people go back to old ways because of strong holds.. See this is why a person needs to have someone walk alongside and disciple them,,,Jesus discipled the disciples…then they discipled people….

      When do we NOT have the “POWER” as believers…NEVER! … because the POWER lies in the HOLY SPIRIT and when do we not have HIM…NEVER…

      The anointing BREAKS the yoke … the anointing being the {POWER of the Holy Spirit)

      yoke being ( alcohol, drugs, pornography ect)

      This is how God changes us from the inside out…..

      It almost sound like you are stating two different things here…..

      You are stating that the yes the Power comes from the Holy Ghost but then you say at the same time we can lose that…so you must be speaking about flat out disobedience…..disobedience can QUENCH the Spirit in ones life but there is always a way back to the Throne Room with confession and being washed …..so to LOSE the power….I question that.

    • Free Will choice in the human nature and creation is very important…it is one of the ways God will gather the tares. If one is “delivered” via prayer from some addiction….that delivance, it seems to me….can take away the craving at that time. However….if down the road the person delivered makes a free will choice to start partaking in what he once was addicted to….than this is no fault of God’s if that person once again falls into the pit. This same reasoning would apply to any overendulgence, and any illness that was caused by overendulgence, including also not eating the right foods, exposure to pollution, etc.

      Could Salvation possibly be the same way? In that hopefully it was our love for God that brought us to ask of Him to save us….and not that we were driven by some gain on our part. If, for sake of discussion, one agreed that it is our heart, our love that draws us towards the Light….than….possibly God is not going to let us stray….He will never let us go. However, if it was our “gain” that brought us to the Lord, and than down the road, for whatever reason, we are dissappointed in God due to our own senses (limited ability) and come to hate the Light, and actively seek the Dark for our gain, than……could we say one has lost their Salvation??? Worldly appearances of course.

      I wonder if there are folks who think they are saved, but in reality are not, because it was with their mind that they approached God, or with their need for better things? I am of the mind that we must turn to God with the knowing that we are an abomination without Him, and that total knowledge of our lack of worth is the only NEED that is justified as worthy for God to save us.

    • @ Life: I’m going to start a new thread (somewhere after #17) in response to a couple things you mentioned. I think this thread is so lengthy that I’m close to tripping . (:o)

    • Claudia, I get the free will issue too.

      I believe that is where the scripture comes into play

      “To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.”..

      ……..which actually throws a wrench in the idea of losing ones salvation….doesn’t it?

    • Darla, what you are talking about is the availability of the power. Yes, it is always available, but it wont be of use to us unless we take hold of it and either act, or confess it. If I dont speak out the Word of God that he gives me, no one will hear it. do you still think it has power? No, not until I DO, through faith, what God tells me, will the power be MANIFESTED. What use is there to have power if it is not in work? To not confess Jesus is to deny him. To not confess what God gave you is to deny it. If we are ashamed of him, he will be ashamed of us before the Father. If God gave us power, but we dont use it, there comes a day of reconing.

      I am a kind of modern day radical pietist (besides from pentecostal/word of faith). The radical pietists used to say that without the manifestation of God in our lives, we were not saved. Just faith wasnt enough, neither formal, read confessions. The power of God had to be manifested in our lives, there had to be a visible change, done by God, for our faith to be true. It was not just blind faith, or faith without manifestations. Such faith was empty and dead, and that is also what James says. Faith, real faith, shows. Real faith works. Faith is a state where the Holy Spirit is constantly working in you, so that you can FEEL it. The presence of Jesus and the Holy Spirit can be felt and must be felt, for us to be in order with God. I’m not saying that we are not saved without it, for there comes times when we lose the victory, but a child of God cannot walk or function like that for very long. The old habits will come back. Or, worse, they will go into a state of faked piety. Our lives must be driven by the Holy Spirit, and that is a work that, as I said, we FEEL, every day, every moment. It’s the warm, flowing, inspirational presence of Jesus. If I dont have that, I cant live. I have to have his presence, to write, to pray, to be led, to flow the blessing to others.

    • Good point, Darla…..something to ponder on. However, note the “Day of the Lord” in that scripture. The Day of the Lord is so very very important because that is the spanking, that will turn many back to the Lord in Spirit, before their flesh is destroyed.

      “To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.”..

      How much more pleasant to have our Spirits aligned before that Day comes upon us!

  2. Amen and Amen,We are told to love our enemies,this being so how much more even should we show love to our brothers and sisters in Christ! Bear in mind I have fallen into this trap many times so this is not condemnation of ours for we all fall short at times.

  3. Great bun! The only thing you left out this time is “keep it pithy”…..I know I have been guilty of some prolonged banter that went way off topic at times and I humbly apologize for filling everyone’s inbox who clicks the “notify me of follow-up comments via email” box with too much personal stuff that would be better done in another venue. I have since learned that I can wait until a radio show chat room to indulge in my frivolous banter which is so much fun but a time waster for those who don’t want to hear everything aimed at another friend and not the whole group………and have even used the private message option on Blog Talk (Not sure about Fringe) to exchange personal email and phone numbers to make some wonderful friends!

    • Shame on you Eric, I was not going to go there! 😉 I learn more from those of you who do not keep it pithy.

      If God wanted to keep it pithy, He would have only

      given us the Law (10 Commandments);

      Given us the Salvational knowledge (Gospel) around Jesus the Lamb–God with us in the flesh of man;

      and given us the knowledge of how and what priorities our prayer life should take (Lord’s Prayer).

      More than enough to live our lives accountable to God.

      Thank Godness that He chose to give us much more in His Word so that He could draw in many from diverse places with His Words! 😉

      Thank Godness that He had the patience to overcome our own human impatience and desire to get on to our worldly lives! 😉

      I have found that the “forum” that God wants me to be in is the here and now, where ever I am at….there is never a better place to discuss Him….and never should we not discuss him because it would not be prudent at the time.

    • Eric! Pithy does not mean to cut back on the message! It means to be concise and you are! A big message may take more words…..I was actually referring to a few conversations on here that reminded me of a time when I was new to L.A.’s blog and forgot it is his and that he has to spend his valuable time reading and monitoring every single comment! ….and that a lot of folks who are hungry for Jesus and spiritual knowledge have to sort through all the emails too and may become tired and miss something important. Not that the occasional joke does not bring smiles and thereby serve the purpose in these perilous times! Just not 50 comments in a row that are not of interest to all……..I believe mine was a back and for about vegetable gardening and old knees……I repent! 🙂

    • @ Elaine: Thank you very much for the info about how to talk one-on-one! I knew there must be a way, but hadn’t figured it out yet, And as it turns out, you’re one of the first that I’ve been wanting to communicate with, to pick up on our exchange the other day . . . (it’s kinda personal).

      Besides the thank-you here, I’m also hoping to reinforce your original very informative post for people who may have skimmed past it too fast.

      That last sentence is only to justify why I wasn’t pithier! Altho I have been told that I am getting prettier . . . the more I heal and mature! (small laugh)

    • amaezed! And anyone else who wants to socialize without unduly burdening L.A…..I listen to Hagmann and Hagmann on Blog talk Radio http://www.blogtalkradio.com/cfp-radio online at least 4 times a week (I play hooky from it on Thursdays when L.A. is on Fringe!!!) and the chat there holds up to 500 people. We have a lot of the kind of fun that we are talking about. Often laugh out loud funny and once on the chat you can just click the little symbol next to the name on the roster and open a private message to exchange comments you don’t want the rest to see or exchange personal contact info! I am always on as misselainies. As soon as L.A. has a show again, I will let you know if his chat works the same way. I have never spent much time in chat when L.A. is on because I need to pay attention in his one hour show! With the Hagmann’s there is usually a bit looser format and they even interact with the chat. Sometimes I do just lurk but not look in the chat when there is intense learning to be done but 1/2 hour before the show is usually a party!
      I truly think the internet is an amazing way to connect with like minded believers so ya know the dark side hates it and has strewn it with dangers and trolls and I don’t think satan can let it keep shining so much light in what is currently his world and the more we fellowship and know each other, the better!

    • I would also like to add to Elaine’s original post. It would also be a great help if people would try to consolidate their thoughts/points into one post instead of firing off a string of multiple one-liners one after the other. That would really help cut down on in-box clutter. I, too, have had instances when I’ve needed to add another quick post to clarify something in my previous post, but that’s not what I’m talking about.

      I hope all of you are experiencing a blessed Sonday in the Lord.

    • I would LOVE to see “pithy” comments. In fact, I once asked LA if he could design this blog so comments were limited to something like Twitter does (145 characters). He couldn’t.
      So we have to put up with long-winded and often not well-thought-out responses. Who has the time to read them? Who has the time to type them out?
      When you look at the answers Jesus gave in the Gospels, they were short and to the point. We seem to do the opposite!

  4. I also wanted to add that as we go through our days that we need to remember that our every breath is a miracle and blessing from our Lord! Without Him we are truly nothing and owe ALL to Him!

  5. Just want to share this. Really good praise music.
    The more I listen to it the better it gets:

    “http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg8cn3UFQKg&feature=share&list=PLPezu6_oPzrvQMbJx8NgI5M6GvLAU_XFM”

  6. LA:

    re: “The other side of the coin is this. All of us have prayed for loved ones who are sick or perhaps dying of cancer at an early age. We pray and nothing happens. I have no easy answer for that. I don’t understand why God moves in one case and not in another.”

    I, too, have been tossing and turning around on this issue–why some prayers are answered and others are not. I believe that we have been given the same measure of faith; that faith deepens as we walk with the Lord but that measure of faith is not the final answer. We just believe He can heal and save.

    ‘So he answered and said to me:“This is the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel: ‘Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,’ Says the Lord of hosts.” (Zecariah 4:6)

    We don’t get to control the final scene, Jesus gets it. He decides who and when He takes out of this world to a safer heavenly place, with no tears or pain involved. So we hold the afflicted individual close to our hearts and in our arms during the times of pain til Jesus takes him home.

    So we cry from pain, here in this world, but, we, too, will one day be lifted up by Jesus, into His world where our cares will be “rewarded.”

    All in the name of Love, who is Jesus Christ.

    Blessings,

    • I have often thought that when God ignores mens prayer for healing of loved ones….it is not because He did not hear the prayer….but because, God, All Knowing, knew that if the loved one stayed on the earth something extremely not good was in their future. God sees the entire picture. He sees the loved ones future, and all of us. And of course, there is this question, often asked by Christ….”Do you love Me? We could paraphrase it to….”Do you still love me?” “No matter what….do you still love me?

    • @ Claudia: Yes!! Sometimes we get a very clear word, or a strong sense of “why,” BUT God’s not accountable to us. Where were we when He created the universe?!

      I believe that the book of Job is less about why God allows suffering, and more about whether God is loveable for HIMSELF, as the Giver and not for the gifts. (ref. Job Ch. 1)

      “Do you love Me, and do you TRUST me!!!” His ways are not our ways, PTL!

    • Yes…yes…Amaezed, it is all about the love….the tears in the eyes love when we think of Him…the trembling in the heart. He is deserving of Love! And, tho we are not….He loves us too!

    • Jeremiah 9
      24 But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me,
      that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth
      :

      for in these things I delight, saith the LORD.

      1 Cor. 1
      30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus,
      who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption
      :
      31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

      note likewise Prov. 8

  7. Tony Evans

    Because our churches have often been more focused on building buildings and creating programs than about advancing the kingdom by leveraging the talents of those within it, many have come to view the church as a task to be done rather than a community to be in.

  8. LA noted, “I don’t understand why God moves in one case and not in another.”

    Mark 6 (re: Christ)
    1 And he went out from thence, and came into his own country; and his disciples follow him.
    2 And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue:
    and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things?

    and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands?

    3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon?
    and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
    4 But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country,
    and among his own kin, and in his own house.

    5 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them.
    6 And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.

    Then in verses 7 to 13 — Christ sent the disciples out preaching, casting out devils, anointing, and healing.

    So one key to the mystery is that “faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word.” Likewise, by the “foolishness of preaching” it pleases Him to save us.

    The mechanisms of miracles seem like folly to the proud. Christ spits on clay and restores blindness. Naaman’s leprosy is cured after washing 7 times in the Jordan river. Those bitten by fiery serpents were spared death by looking at a brass serpent on a pole (Numbers 21). (for more see 1st Corinthians 1)

    Why wrestle with those that reject the gifts of God? Better to shake the dust off and move on. (Mk 6:11, Mt 10:14, and Lk 9:5) In due time, like Saul (Paul) they may have a change of heart.

    Which means we can share all the more in what delights the Holy Ghost in the midst of His beloved.

    • To add to what Nome said:

      (Acts 14:8:10)
      And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother’s womb, who never had walked: The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed , Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked.

      If you look at the gospels when a person received a healing from “the Lord” it was according to their faith. (do a search in the gospels with the keyword: faith and you will see that the Lord healed according to their/someones faith in each example.

      Example:

      Mat_9:2 And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee.

      Keyword: Faith

    • And then there’s the error of the Word of Faith movement, that people are not healed because they lacked the amount of faith they needed. Paul had plenty of faith, yet God chose not to remove the thorn in his flesh. Do we have enough faith to trust God in sickness as well as health?

    • Hey LookingUp, thats not a Word of Faith doctrin, it’s also Pentecostal, or rather, common for all Christians who believes in healing. And we need faith to receive healing. Without faith, it is impossible to please God and to receive anything from him. God has chosen to work through faith in this age.

      And how do you know that Paul’s thorn was sickness? I cant see that in the text. It’s just a religious assumption.
      ___

    • We don’t know that, Life. Faith is not what heals us, it is the God of our faith who does that. Some of the most godly people I have ever known died believing God would heal them while unbelievers who had no faith at all were healed. It’s trying to put God in a box again. “If we do/have/believe this, then God does this.” Did Job have faith? Yes, but his faith statement was “even though He slay me, yet will I trust Him.” That’s the faith I want, a faith based on Who God is and His perfect plan and purpose.

  9. Gifts of Spirit:

    1) Word of Wisdom 2) Word of Knowledge 3) Faith 4) Gifts of Healing 5) Working of Miracles 6) Prophecy 7) Discerning of Spirits 8) Divers (or different) kinds of Tongues 9) Interpretation of (different) Tongues

    Fruit of Spirit:

    1) Love 2) Joy 3) Peace 4)Long-suffering 5)Kindness 6) Goodness 7) Faithfulness
    8) Gentleness 9) self-control

  10. LA wrote, “Who amongst us is wise enough NOT to ask for wisdom?”

    LA, having the mind set that would allow him to form that sentence, makes me think that he is very wise, indeed! Not on his own merit….but all gifts are from God, we cannot take credit for them…and I know he also knows that already.

    God’s Gifts are His to distribute as He sees fit, being All Knowing. Most of us are in agreement with that. When I hear someone praying, or expressing the desire that God give them a Gift, I am reminded of a child in a toy store that is pleading with his mom to give him a toy. We should not consciously ask for these Gifts, because that to me is presumptious on our part, not humble in any way.

    When I was a litte child going to God, I was asking for help when I asked for understanding and knowledge. “Understanding” so I would not hate my parents; and “Knowledge” so I could know Him more and with that knowledge love Him more. I was not asking for a Gift to enhance myself or give me any glory amongst humanity….didn’t even know than what the Gifts were. Ever since than, He helps me always to understand things, and He is always bringing to me what I need to know….no matter how unimportant, or extremely important that knowledge is.

    All the Gifts are God’s Gifts….even if He loans us one of them from time to time, we don’t own them, and should never think we do. When we start owning them…..our egos began to get in the way of using those Gifts.

  11. @ Amaezed – hope you will have a chance later to comment further about the situation involving scoleosis and inappropriate burden-bearing. God bless.

    • Discerning Christian Ministries
      ———————————–
      The only honest way to discern Christian ministries is to go to their meetings.

      “Doth our law judge any man, before it hear him, and know what he doeth?” (John 7:51)

      Secondly, never trust your own judgment. Discernment is something we only get when and where the Holy Spirit gives it. The pharisees of Jesus’ days were the most religious people in the world. They knew the Scriptures forth and backwards. Yet they missed it all. They couldnt even recognize God when he stood in front of them. We have to have anointed eyes to recognize God’s work, and his ministers. If we have, we sometimes will get surprised at who God chooses to work with, and not work with.
      ___

  12. Discerning Christian Ministries
    ——————————————-

    The only honest way to discern Christian ministries is to go to their meetings.

    “Doth our law judge any man, before it hear him, and know what he doeth?” (John 7:51)

    Secondly, never trust your own judgment. Discernment is something we only get when and where the Holy Spirit gives it. The pharisees of Jesus’ days were the most religious people in the world. They knew the Scriptures forth and backwards. Yet they missed it all. They couldnt even recognize God when he stood in front of them. We have to have anointed eyes to recognize God’s work, and his ministers. If we have, we sometimes will get surprised at who God chooses to work with, and not work with.
    ___

  13. My eye was healed in the church of Benny Hinn’s brother (Henry Hinn) in Vancouver many years ago. There were no dramatics–I wasn’t even praying about my eye at that time. People at Benny Hinn crusades had prayed for my eye in previous months, and the healing manifested when I was not thinking about it. It was just a little “click” and all well. the doctor has before and after pictures of this dramatic alteration to my eyelid and side of my face, which was affected by the eye condition.
    However, other healings have been refused, or one might say this: Complete healings have been refused. I have been healed enough to keep on going for many years. But not completely. Too long to give any explanation of what this is about, but it probably has something to do with others learning; I myself have already learned a lot from this. It is NOT about faith, in my itty bitty opinion, which I do not hold sacrosanct.

    Even Benny and Henry Hinn stated that people were not always healed, and they did not know why. They were more honest than some other evangelists. People ridicule them because they get big donations, but healings were plentiful in their meetings, and were not of Satan. I saw many up close, within a couple of feet of me, partly because my husband and I attended a lot of meetings and sang in the choir seven times. I saw the Holy Spirit at work, praise God.

    • This is a person that I would have cited as a chief example of what I was talking about in thread 1 so I’ll have to respectfully disagree with you on this one, Mariel. 🙂

    • I have no doubts about Benny Hinn as a child of God and a called (and gifted) evangelist. And that is what is working in him, through God. I have doubts about him as a teacher, though.

    • On what personal experience do you ground that, Eric? Or do you go just by other’s slander, or by the totally untrustworthy videos on Youtube? Have you ever been to a Benny Hinn meeting, or at least looked through a couple of his meetings on tv?
      Perhaps you just dont like his style? Or methods? Or his suite? Who are we to question the servants of God? God will judge them, if needed. Or send prophets to them.

    • He is not a brother of mine, I do not have a brother that commits adultery or dabbles in the occult. I do not believe he is a servant of God, quite the contrary; I believe him to be nothing more than Satan’s mouth piece, at his beck and call, willing and ready to deceive Christian brother and sisters. Please conduct some research of this man you seem to hold up on a pedestal and have such high regards for. Benny Hinn has a lot to answer for. He leads many astray, and has taken countless of dollars to support his lifestyle. But most importantly, he has made ridiculous statements in the past, like “Jesus will come and wipe out all the homosexuals. Never happened, and to use God’s name and say he told him this, is even more of an insult.. He claimed on TV in 1991, that God the Spirit had told him that Fidel Castro would die in the 1990-ties. That was a long shot, and Hinn had good odds that the old Cuban dictator would takes his last breath within the 10 years . And presumably, if Castro survived this curse made by Hinn, no one would keep a record. Ummm ..Castro didn’t die…What does this make Benny Hinn? …a false prophet.
      Yes, we all have to answer to Christ, but Benny Hinn is one false teacher, that is making horrific lying statements. Neither I, nor any human being is Benny Hinn’s final judge. That is a task given to God the Son, Jesus the Messiah but Jesus does warns us to be careful in the last days, and to expose evil deeds of darkness. Do not become a part of what Jesus called a “Wicked and adulterous generation.
      Romans 16:17-18 I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.

    • I would have worded things a bit differently but I’m with Matt and I could load this thread up with direct quotes, videos, etc. and it’s a tragedy that I’d even have to but what can ya do? I won’t hjjack L.A.’s blog in that manner. That’s his place as the pastor if he wants to take on something or deal with it, not mine.

      Again: BE BEREANS. Pray. Match against Scripture. 🙂

      Incidentally, I’d like to hear from even one of these people that Benny Hinn has supposedly raised from the dead while we’re at it.

      “http://www.letusreason.org/Pent47.htm”

      I’ll head the “touch ye not the Lord’s anointed” card off at the pass while I’m at it, too, because I know that’s coming. Always does with these types.

  14. The Bible says, wisdom is the principle thing, “get wisdom, and with all thy getting get understanding”. But what EXACTLY is wisdom and is it defined in the Bible? If not, why do you think God did not define it?

    • Walking in Wisdom and a :Word of Wisdom” I believe are two different things.

      If you walk in wisdom then you walk in “Knowledge experienced” in other words you have great knowledge in an area because you have been through it..you have walk a situation out and therefore have experience. That is why people go to the OLDER people for wisdom because they OLDER people have had MUCH experience in life.

      A ” word of Wisdom” is a gift that comes upon a person to give a word about the future.

      A ‘word of Knowledge” is about the present…I think I have explained that accurately anyhow.

      So asking God for Wisdom is like asking Him for patients…He will make you walk through many things to give you experience and because you have experience in certain things you are now wise in those areas….

      so WISDOM itself is ‘Knowledge experienced”

    • Darla….What about those who we have all seen who have been able to gain by watching or reading about others experiences, empathetically, not having to experience these things for themselves. Some people are extremely empathetic….vulnerable to feeling what others feel….learning from what they see happening in the world.

      Of course the pains and joys they feel observing others is real to that type of person….so I guess that is like you say….experiencing it.

      I think one of the reasons that God wanted us to garden and tend to animals is because He knew that He could grow us to maturity by being responsible for such things. After all….in Eden He did not put Adam in a city….but in a garden. In fact God has hated cities from the beginning.

    • “In fact God has hated cities from the beginning”

      Where on earth are you getting this information? How is this fact? I’m just curious as I have never heard that God hated cities…seems like a bizarre statement to make. I’m sorry, but I have to call bull on this one. God may have been displeased with some occupants of cities but his so called “hatred” of cities is not correct. Although I do respect your opinion on believing it to be so.

  15. Our characters are being molded and hardness removed…

    Hezekiah may have been better off without his extra 15 years.

    Lazarus was long past believing for healing, much as Jairus’ daughter.

    Job… well, let’s just say he learned how to be pithy.

    The trying of our faith works patience. (James 1:3, Rom. 5:3)

    Joseph spent many long years in slavery and prison
    — to gain the backbone needed to bring nations through famine.

    Pastors in particular seem to go through all sorts of trauma to be able to minister well.

    Christ prayed that if there were some other way than the cross….

    Sometimes we bring suffering on ourselves, but that doesn’t mean not to seek compassion.

    James 5
    7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord.
    Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it,
    until he receive the early and latter rain.

    8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.
    9 Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned:
    behold, the judge standeth before the door.

    10 Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord,
    for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.
    11 Behold, we count them happy which endure.

    Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord;
    that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy….

    13 Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.
    14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him,
    anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

    15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up;
    and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

    16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed.
    The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

    Faith which works by love is what makes a difference. (Gal. 5:6)

    • 😆 Nome said: “Job… well, let’s just say he learned how to be pithy.”

      Congratulations Mr. Nomemoleste you have won the Jonah award for the best quote of the day, way to go!

      The Jonah award: Based on traveling in a whales belly and while smelling like whale spit saved an entire city.
      Source: Puddingpedia

    • :mrgreen: Honorable mention to LookingUp … “For the porpoises of God”

      “https://lamarzulli.wordpress.com/2013/01/20/sunday-go-to-meeting-bun-68/comment-page-1/#comment-82342”

    • Nomemoleste said: “Our characters are being molded and hardness removed…”

      Greatly agree with that statement.

      The only reason for “hardness” to develope in a person is to protect the ego, the self. And that is just the opposite of being humble. Ego and Self is the core to all sin. We have to remain vulnerable or there is no road to learning and growth. Once we start closing the doors so we won’t be hurt we are left with what we have….and we will never find out what was intended for us.

    • Nome – The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much… is such an important thing to quote. I think of Sodom and Gomorrah when I think of this. If God could’ve found only 10 righteous people -he would’ve spared Sodom and Gomorrah per Abraham’s request despite the wickedness found there. You know things will be bad when all the young people of a city along with the old want “to know” some visitors that look like men. If we begin to see this in America and throughout the world, then the days of Lot are upon us.

  16. @AMAEZED — hello again!

    Just thought I would re-post what I wrote in post #13 a couple of hours ago. (Blogger “Life” mistakenly posted a note there to L.A. on another topic.)

    So, in case my request gets “lost in the shuffle”, here it is again:

    “@ Amaezed — hope you will have a chance later to comment further about the situation involving scoliosis and inappropriate burden-bearing. God bless.”

    • @ Linda: As I just said to “Life” at thread #19, the other kind of “life” keeps happening here at my place this last couple of hours!

      I definitely want to be sure we can talk more, so it looks like we’ll get to take advantage of the one-on-one communications option(s) that Elaine explained today. I am looking forward & I will follow up with you! ASAP!!

    • Thank you so much, Amaezed. I know exactly what you mean about “life keeps happening”, so no rush! I have never used chat rooms, though, so will maybe see about that option.

      Blessings.

      Linda

    • Linda, You don’t need to “chat” if you don’t want to…..there are always a lot of guests on the roster without a name and a lot of names who never comment…..you can still just listen and be able to private message if you see one of our names to give or get contact info. I had a lovely phone call with a lady last week to discus our children’s problems without the public venue.

    • Monday through Friday night (with an hour out for fringe & L.A.) at the Blogtalk radio Hagmann and Hagmann show that I posted a link to somewhere above in #4.
      The chat usually opens at least 1/2 hour before the show begins at 8p.m. ET…..so, remember that I am “misselainies” and I may not be participating after the show gets going. If you use the same names in the chat I will look for you. If you don’t sign up and are just there as a “guest” on the roster…..you will have to find me. The list is alphabetical so scroll it to m. After 8 I often pull a scrabble game up over the chat so I won’t get distracted from the message. Ahhh, but then again….sometimes the listening is easier to comprehend and I stay chatting throughout…..7:30 til 8p.m. Eastern time is best to exchange info. You can also click the little clock and they will email you a reminder each time there is a show.
      Thursday night maybe we can explore the options directly through L.A.s show?

  17. @ Life: I believe that “once saved, always saved” is contingent on whether someone had ACTUAL salvation in the first place. (just as there was earlier discussion about what ACTUAL means in another area).

    Jesus said: “And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.” (John 6:39)

    Some people segue (pithy, huh!) to debates about Calvinism and such – but this is where I’m at in my current understanding, that the verse applies to our topic at hand,

    How do we KNOW we’re saved? Richard Grund has done a great job in a 3-part Oct. 2012 Firefall Talk Radio series, The Porch Online Bible Study – You MUST be Born Again. (Ref: John 3: 1-15)

    “http://www.blogtalkradio.com/firefall-talk-radio.rss”

    Much to say about how we know we’re born again, but for now I’ll start it by saying, true RELATIONSHIP with Jesus is the main fruit.

    What about backsliding in our walk after salvation? Well, to be very b-r-i-e-f for now, we all die in some degree of sin – known & unknown, in repentance or not – and sin is SIN. Our Holy God doesn’t set a line in the sand, we don’t lose salvation if we had it in the first place.

    The “unforgiveable” sin is another topic, not exactly related to “saved” Christians.

    Again, I’m just trying to add a few ideas to the discussion, but I really feel that I could write a book! (smile)

    • Amaezed, some of your thoughts makes me think.
      I have seen people who got saved and filled with the Holy Spirit slide back into their old ways. The usual meaning of them, was that they were “apostates”. So what does that mean? If they died, did they go to hell, or did God save them through fire?
      I had a strange experience with my mother, soon before she died. We had some quarrels, and I got angry at her and spent the whole evening, at my home, with that anger. When I got tired of it, because it just troubled me, I asked the Lord if my mother really was going to heaven. (She was a believer, but not a strong believer.) He answered me NO! I was shocked, because earlier I had asked him and he told me she was going to him. I couldnt understand why he said no this time. Then i realized, it was I who condemned her to hell, by my anger and my doubt in her salvation. I realized that it was MY faith, that would bring her to God, together with the small faith she had.
      She was like swaying between heaven and hell her last days. There were demons manifesting through her, or around her. She was dement, and couldnt think clearly anymore. The demons took advantage of that.
      But as I understood that I should have faith for her, things changed, at least a bit. Three days before she died, she saw an angel in her room, and told me. The day before she died, she saw a cross. And later that day she said, (very boldly) “I have piece in my heart!” The next day she died, before I came to visit her.
      What does this say about salvation? I dont really know. Its an experience, I have no theology for it.

    • @ Life: “Then i realized, it was I who condemned her to hell, by my anger and my doubt in her salvation. I realized that it was MY faith, that would bring her to God, together with the small faith she had.”

      Oh, LIFE!!! No, you did NOT condemn her. I understand what you’re saying, but I have to come back later to add more (the other kind of “life” keeps happening here at my place this last couple of hours).

      For now, I wanted to get this out there ASAP and I trust that others will also chime in here for you. Gob bless you & may you experience His Peace!!

    • Another reason we can’t always trust that what we think we heard God say was actually from Him.

      Salvation is a personal decision – decision – to believe in Christ as Savior. It’s not about visions of angels or crosses or feelings. Scripture is very clear about that. It is by grace we are saved through faith, and that is a gift of God. Her faith, not your faith. Your belief for her could not save her, and your doubt in her salvation could not condemn her. God does not give us that power over anyone. We are each personally responsible for the choice we make to accept or deny Christ.

      I’m sorry you don’t have assurance about your mom’s eternal destination. We can only plant seeds and show Christ to those around us.

    • Did you read what I wrote, Amaezed? I turned away from that anger and returned to have faith for my mother. And then her condition changed. I have peace as the River.

      Perhaps this is a thing that will be interpreted differently depending on what theology you have. As I see it, the demons were trying to take my mother to hell, by making her manifest their sayings, (cursing, doubt, accusations, etc – things she would NEVER say while clear in her mind). And they tried to take my faith for her home-going away, by tempting me to take that personally, instead of realizing it was part of her condition.
      Why would they otherwise do that? If they have no chance of stealing people’s souls, why do they bother?
      No, I don’t believe in once saved always saved. It makes you don’t care for others. Why would Jesus say that we can bind and loose people if we can’t?
      ___

      LookingUp: Same to you: Did you READ what I wrote? I wrote that she saw an angel and a cross, AFTER I returned to my faith for her. THAT changed her condition. If you don’t believe that, its your personal loss.

    • LookingUp, I see that you don’t have the experience of hearing God’s voice in your life. Thats a pity, because that is what we are promised, by Jesus, and that is what his disciples had. If you dont have that experience, you should seek it with all your heart (and not give up until you have it), because without it you will go into error. That’s the reason he gave it to us.

      Christians who think they can manage without the gifts and manifestations of the Holy Spirit are fooling themselves. Realize that if you dont have them working in you, you are not where you should be. And that place is a dangerous place.

    • I have heard the Lord’s voice on several occasions, but it has always lined up with His written word whether it was encouragement, condemnation or direction.

      I’m not saying you don’t hear from the Lord, but in this instance, He would have known all along where your mom was headed either way and would not have changed His answer to you from “yes” to “no,” because the Word tells us we are kept in Christ by Christ when we accept Christ.

    • Opps. I meant, “encouragement, correction or direction.” There is now NO condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

    • LookingUp, that is what your theology says, not the Word of God. You have an interpretation, I have another interpretation. You know that there are millions of Christians that dont believe like you. Most of them are among the missionaries and soulwinning groups. As I said, I think once saved always saved takes away the soul winner seal. In your theology, that doesnt matter (much) because they who don’t listen to you aren’t meant to be saved. That’s also a dangerous position. I think one will grow cold in ones heart with that theology. Love always hopes.

      If I should go into what that Scripture you referred to really says, I would first quote it:

      “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.” (John 10:27-28)

      This is still conditional. Why didnt Jesus say that about all believers, but only of them that had followed him during his trials? And why did Jesus pray for Peter when he was denying Jesus? Why did he bother, if Peter could not lose his salvation?

      Why should we pray for people’s salvation if sunday school faith is all they need? No need for miracles, no need for soul winning. Just sit and see how everything plays out, because it is not in our power to change anything. No, I dont believe that. That’s not the faith that saved me.

      “There is now no condemnation for them that are in Christ”

      This is also conditional. Just a formal confession, or some shallow churcy faith is not being in Christ. Not even a radical, biblical, fundamentalistic faith in “the Bible” is to be in Christ. Christ is a living being, not a peace of paper. Christ IN you our hope of Glory. In you is indwelling. Can God dwell in a human without that human feeling his presence? No, no, God is a reality. The Scripture likens him with Wine, with the Wind, with Light, Sweetness, and Love. The Scripture says we can taste Christ. He tastes good. Food is never so good, as when we are filled with the Holy Ghost. Music is never so good, as when it is filled with the Holy Ghost.

      I can go on and on, but have to stop. I cant convince anyone, but God can, if we hunger and thirst for more and more of him. And we have to have more of him. We have to have the faith of the apostles. That must be the goal if we arent there yet. And it is available. Not far away. We just have to love our brethren, so that the blood and power of Christ can flow freely through His body. If we condemn spirit filled Christians, we condemn our selves. We are not the judges. God is. We can only judge if God wants us to. If not, we will just say nothing, and be happy with that. If God doesn’t condemn them, I don’t condemn them. Even if they do or say things that make my hair stand. Maybe God’s hair doesnt
      stand. I have to look at him first.

    • Life said: “What does this say about salvation? I dont really know. Its an experience, I have no theology for it.”

      God is not the author of confusion but of peace.

      “I asked the Lord if my mother really was going to heaven. (She was a believer, but not a strong believer.) He answered me NO! I was shocked, because earlier I had asked him and he told me she was going to him. I couldnt understand why he said no this time.”

      God is not double minded. Man is double minded, these are the thoughts of a man

      “Then i realized, it was I who condemned her to hell, by my anger and my doubt in her salvation. I realized that it was MY faith, that would bring her to God, together with the small faith she had.”

      Her faith alone in Jesus Christ saved her. The quantity of faith even that the size of a grain of mustard seed is great.

      “I have seen people who got saved and filled with the Holy Spirit slide back into their old ways. The usual meaning of them, was that they were “apostates”. So what does that mean?”

      Romans 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

    • Pudding, you dont know everything, so according to your standards your god must be an author of confusion.

      Not so with the apostles: What we shall be we dont know, but we know one thing we shall be like him. (1 John 3:2, John 3:8)

      You wrote: “God is not double minded. Man is double minded, these are the thoughts of a man”

      Thats what you have to say to uphold your theological position. Why did Jesus pray for Peter? Peter already had faith. Was Jesus double minded?

      “Her faith alone in Jesus Christ saved her. The quantity of faith even that the size of a grain of mustard seed is great.”

      That has to be genuine faith. He who doubts or has a weak faith must be strengthened. We are admonished to strengthen those who have a weak faith. Why, if they get saved anyway?

      “Romans 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.”

      That doesnt take away everything else that the Bible says. We have to have faith. There is weak faith, and strong faith. If someone gets saved on their death bed, it proves they were chosen. If not, they were not chosen.

      Why do people who are dying call for preachers and priests to pray for them? Would you go to them, or would you just leave them in their agony and fear, because according to your theology, they are saved anyway?

    • Life said: “Why did Jesus pray for Peter?”
      Here are few examples here as to why: Rom 8:34 / 1 John 2:1 / Isaiah 53:12 / Hebrews 7:25

      Life what is the name of the spirit in you?

  18. Prayer request: Gary Stearman at Prophecy in the News. He’s been fighting a BAD flu for at least a week. The kind where you don’t keep food down. It’s a stubborn cuss. People are starting to get a little worried. Please pray, folks!

  19. Thank you again for your pronunciation of faith. “Without faith it is impossible to please God.” We live in a world devoid of
    believing The Bible. The woman who carried her daughter had faith that pleased God. We limit God by the limit of our faith.
    All things are possible through Christ who strengthens me.” We, the little flock, are not braying like sheep at miracles -bah, bah, but cry Hallelujah! Our God reigns! He will magnify for, “all things are possible to those who TRUST God.” We need
    to get back to faithing— believing. That is what the gospel is all about. I believe I am a part of the good news. I a wretch
    have been redeemed. THAT is A MIRACLE. So are we all who commit to our Sovereign Lord Jesus. He makes all things
    new in their season. Thank you for your testimony. Without a moan-ee, without a test- there’s no testimony. He is our
    Potter, not Harry, and He is shaping us a day at a time as long as we stay under His authority and walk by faith, as are
    you my precious brother LA and your beloved wife Peggy. Thank you for speaking as shadows are engulfing the world.
    Keep looking up! Our Savior will be calling soon. Love in Christ Jesus.

  20. everyone wants a sign they refuse to see the wonders of God all around them. Knowing the truth and bearing witness to it at all times in all situations is the true wisdom.

  21. John Baptist interviews Russ Dizdar (start time 69:00)

    “http://www.blogtalkradio.com/tribulation-now/2013/01/21/black-awakening-confronting-the-radical-evil-w-russ-dizdar.mp3”

    • I listened to the coast to coast broadcast on Friday where George Noory had Russ on discussing Satanic Ritual Abuse. I listened to it on this blog site (someone posted it… may have been you). It was quite astonishing to realize what is behind all the manifestations of the world events that we see with our eyes. It held my attention for the whole 2 and a half hours. Thank for posting.

    • Corey, go the Fringe Radio show ( on the left of LA ‘s home page ) and log in and chat for a while…too awake to sleep right now..I will look for you…

    • Hey Darla… How are things? I tried looking for the Fringe blog thing but did not see what you were talking about ? I saw the accelaration radio thing but…. ? and then….. ? GRRRR! Concerning the email of the info I said I would send… I did sent it but apparently you didn’t get it. My yahoo thing was acting crazy I noticed before I sent it. Hopefully I can pull what I wrote back up and re-send it. If not, well I’ll type it out again. I wonder why you didn’t get it.

    • Corey..go back and click accelarations and wait for it to come up then wait for the little box to log in as a guest

  22. Lady Gaga, Katy Perry and Cast of ‘Glee’ amoung list to perform at Obama inaugural ball

    So they’ve embraced trash. How sweet. A perfect entertainer for Obama, along with gangster rap and others, a woman of such class and dignity as Gaga, perfectly reflects the presidency. If Obama stoops that low to let his own daughters and wife watch that smut then, yeah, we in trouble. This inauguration should be an extravaganza pandering to vulgarity and bad taste. Obama should be proud. Of all the entertainers they come up with Lady Gaga?? She is evidence enough as to be an example of the real America to day…and what its future is going to be like. What kind of a mind would come up with her for inaugural entertainment? She is a wigged out weirdo, who wears meat dresses and can’t decide if she prefers men or women. Is this not the women who performed with what appeared to be some type of bra on stage with guns pointing out? Yet Obama has the audacity to invite her to his inauguration while he works behind the scenes to take away our ability to protect ourselves and our families?? This is typical hypocrisy of Obama and his cronies.
    What the White House should do is have Siegfried & Roy bring in some trained lions, then ask Lady Gaga to wear her meat dress she loves so much , then we could all watch hilarity ensue ; now that’s entertainment. ..Or better yet, it would be interesting to see God send fire down from heaven & consume them on world wide television… however, that might be a little strong for some viewers, but think of the ratings 😉
    Well at the end of the day we have transgender and gang rap musicians-a wholesome combination at this years inauguration, one freak show followed by another…tens of thousands will attend (only 5 will miss work) …I don’t believe it would be a stretch to say there’s going to be more sickness, evil & demon’s at this gathering than there is in hell

    • Even worse, according to comments I’ve heard about not-a-lady Gaga, she’s a satanist. Can’t give you references offhand, but I’m sure documentation would be easy to find.

  23. Many Christians have a very big Satan but a very small God.
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    They willingly accepts satan’s wonders everywhere, even those he isn’t responsible for, but immediately denies God’s wonders if they’re not according to their own traditional standards.
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  24. It would be a pity if someone didnt get what I wrote earlier, because I’m convinced that God gave it to me to show someone or someones how to get healed, and stay healed. Lets do it again: Just as our salvation is upheld by faith and confession, our healing is. Believe that you are saved, and confess it with your mouth, and you will be saved (and stay saved). And: Believe that you are healed, in Christ, and confess it with your mouth, and you will be healed. But dont just say I’m healed (because then you’ll get into trouble), say In Christ I am healed, or I am healed in Christ. Hold on to that, and live in the flow of the Holy Spirit, and the manifestation of your healing will come. Yes, this is classical Word of Faith teaching (I hope), but they had the same teaching in the early pentecostal revival, and in the healing revival. Its in the Bible. “All that you pray for, believe that it is yours, and you will get it.” Not talking about limousines, but of such things that the Word of God promises us. “If we pray according to his will, we know that he hears us and gives us what we need”. (Paraphrazing).

    “Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.” (Mark 11:24)

    “And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
    And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we HAVE the petitions that we desired of him.” (1 John 5:14-15)

  25. Corey, I got the impression that God hates cities from the below verse, and because he scattered the inhabitants of the first Babylon because man gathering together made them start looking towards each other for their “gods” and direction….taking way too much importance upon themselves.

    Isaiah 5:8=Woe to those who join house to house, Who add field to field, Till there is no place where they may dwell alone in the midst of the land.

    • He did destroy Babel because they did want to ban together to become their own god, but I don’t think that’s what Isaiah 5:8 is about, because cities are necessities. Joining “field to field” happens in the country, not the city. I think that verse is about individuals who form their own little kingdoms where ever they are. That’s also “woed” against in Micah 2:2, “they covet fields and then seize them, and houses, and take them away.” According to the commentary in my Bible, it speaks of weathy land-grabbers who had the power to unjustly take away what was inherited by the poor.

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