UFOs – Real, Burgeoning and NOT Going Away! (Part 1)

Commentary and Analysis


L. A. Marzulli

(Picture to the left is a representation.)



over Punta Gorda,

Florida 11/17/12


AMAZING!!! UFO TRANSFORMING over Punta Gorda, Florida 11/17/12 – YouTube

UFO sightings continue and as the title of this piece declares, they are certainly NOT going away.  Most people dismiss the UFO phenomena as hogwash and with a roll their eyes move onto to other subjects.  However, as this one video shows, the phenomena continues, and in fact it is burgeoning!  These craft come and go as they please, they move through our skies with impunity.  The sightings open up a plethora of questions.  What are they doing here?  Where do they come from?  Why hasn’t the United States acknowledged them?  Why haven’t they just landed on the White House lawn and be done with it!

Are these craft tied to the crop circle phenomena?  Who is making these complex circles that appear in the crops year after year? Do we really believe two guys with boards and string made the complex circle on the left?  What do these mysterious circles mean?




What about cattle mutilations?  Are the occupants of these craft responsible for the thousands of mutilated cattle around the world?  If so, why do they leave the carcasses in the ranchers fields?  What is this strange harvest of utters, sex organs, anuses, ears and tongues all about?  Who would do such a thing to an animal while it was alive?  More troubling is the human mutilation reports which surface from time to time.


Why are people being abducted in the wee hours of the morning.  Why is sperm and ovum taken from these people?  Is there some sort of breeding program going on?  Are hybrids being made?  What about the implants which are removed from these people, something we cover in all the Watchers films?  What is this implant and why is being put into people?  Is it changing their DNA?  Is it a tracking device?  How is it powered?


In closing todays post:  Where do we come from?  What is our place in the vastness of space?  How did the complexity of the DNA, or as I call it the spiral of life, originate?  Were we created by an advanced race of extraterrestrials, or the God of the Bible?  While the church, for the most part refuses to deal with the UFO phenomena, sightings world-wide, continue.  At some point the occupants of these craft will reveal themselves and when it does what will you believe?  Will they declare, they are our creators, that they manipulated our DNA and created all life on this planet?  Will they give us a DNA upgrade, via an implantable chip?  I believe the time is coming when we will see the so-called extraterrestrial presence openly manifest on the earth.  It is the game changer, the mega lever, the paradigm shift, that will change everything.  However, I call it the coming Great Deception…. More on this  tomorrow.

Be still and know that I AM God.  Behold, the day is coming when I will show my strength on the mountains of Israel.


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94 thoughts on “UFOs – Real, Burgeoning and NOT Going Away! (Part 1)

  1. Good summary. As for hybrids and DNA, LA, I’d encourage you to contact this Dr. Ketchum mentioned in the press release. She’s done state of the art DNA analysis of what’s believed to be Bigfoot hair samples. The conclusion? A hybrid of human and “non-human” DNA. Here’s the link:

    • I watched the UFO video and posted this response (which is pending approval by “someone”):
      The video is only marginally believable but the narration isn’t at all. Way too clear-sounding. Anyone who’s shot objects at night using zoom and tiny viewfinders knows it’s virtually impossible to keep it framed…yet this object (oddly) stayed nice and centered. I’m a believer in UFOs but this one smacks of suspicious post-production. Prove me wrong, folks, please.



      The above from the front page of the site that posted this video…
      I don’t feel the need to dig further into the site, whether the video is real or not will always be in question?

      As for their mission statement I imagine it is not out of the realm of possibly that we might read something like this from The Site of the U.N. or the Vatican at any given time soon to come.

  2. Im always amazed about the amount of sightings here in the states. I love checking out “Roger Marsh’s National ufo sightings at the Examiner”

    I was speaking to a catholic friend of mine about the UFO phenomenon and scripture. Her son overheard and she told her son that we shouldnt tell stories about UFO’s and aliens they are not real. They couldn’t be any realer. The revealing is coming soon.

    Roger Marsh is a UFO writer, author, playwright and independent filmmaker. He is director of public relations for the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON), and editor of the monthly MUFON UFO Journal. As Tremont Avenue Productions he produces stories of passion, resource and mystery. Contact him.

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    • Roger, I used to tell my 8 year old the same thing “UFOs/Aliens aren’t real.” Although I knew in my heart they were. She has always had an interest in UFOs. As a Christian parent I didn’t know how to respond to her interest properly. The church stays away from this topic. Thankuflly I know better now thanks to LA’s conference over the summer, his books, and this blog. Your right they couldn’t be any realer. The revealing IS coming soon.

  3. No question all of those things are interlinked and intertwined. I think it’s very telling how you have crop circles always very close to places like a Stonehenge and/or you have abductions or cattle mutilations occur within the same proximity. It’s all demonic and it’s all part of the overall tapestry that will lend itself to “the Great Deception.”

  4. Just a reminder tonight’s Coast to Coast will be on the subject of Black Eyed Kids “Author, paranormal investigator, cryptozoologist, and ufologist, David Weatherly, will discuss his 35 years of experience exploring the weird and unexplained, including his fascinating work on the Black Eyed Children phenomenon”

    Disclaimer; any references to any religions organization during the show is purely coincidental.
    I am not responsible for the comments made by the guest David Weatherly and do not know of his religious affiliation. I do not support or endorse the guest David Weatherly. Listen to the program at your own risk…thank you.

  5. Top security brass of the Indian government is battling a “mysterious” threat from the Chinese side these days: tennis ball-sized UFOs.

    Hundreds of unidentified flying objects (UFOs) have been sighted inside the Indian territory bordering China in recent months, raising security concerns. The issue, initially dubbed a minor one, has turned serious as India prepares to raise it at the diplomatic level with China.

    Sources said a meeting of the boundary coordination mechanism – a highlevel official mechanism set up by the two sides to ensure that the boundary incidents between their armed forces do not escalate – is being scheduled later this month where the issue of “luminous objects” will be at the centre of the discussion.

    The Indian delegation will be led by Gautam Bambawale, the head of the China desk in the external affairs ministry, while China will be represented by its director general, department of boundary and oceanic affairs. Security officials from both sides will also participate in the meeting.

    Highly placed sources said over 150 such incidents have been reported in the last three months and that India’s protests at the local border personnel meeting with the Chinese have met with a cursory denial.

    The government’s decision to raise the ‘UFO ‘ issue at the diplomatic level follows a detailed report sought from the Defence Research and Development Organisation and the Indian Army, and a spectrum analyser to ascertain the objects.

    Surprisingly, the radar could not detect these objects indicating that they were nonmetallic.

    Also, the spectrum analyser could not detect any signals emitted by them.

    Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/ufo-sightings-in-india-near-china-boundary-raises-security-concerns/1/229741.html

  6. re: Saudi King Abdullah

    I wonder what his legacy will be? Ultimately everyone faces death and royalty won’t protect anyone.

    “And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” (Matthew 19:24)

    Appears he led a full life, nothing like Hector “Macho” Camacho who he, too, met his eternal fate a few days ago.

    Wonder if they both made it to heaven? From one extreme to another on how life dealt its hand over them. They were mere mortals no less no more than you and I.


    • It’s interesting that the only place I’ve seen the story about Abdullah is here on LA’s site. I would think Drudge, or someone would pick up on it. It’s a big story.

    • “Wonder if they both made it to heaven? From one extreme to another on how life dealt its hand over them. They were mere mortals no less no more than you and I.”

      Only if they accepted/accept Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior do they make it to Heaven.

      Thus far in the public domain, unfortunately, we’ve been given no indicators to think that this has happened that I’m aware of.

    • 1st Peter 4
      17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us,
      what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
      18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

      Matthew 7
      13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way,
      that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
      14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life,
      and few there be that find it

      John 17
      1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said,
      Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
      2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life
      to as many as thou hast given him
      3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God,
      and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

      1st John 4
      13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
      14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
      15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

      Romans 10
      9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
      and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved
      10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness;
      and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
      11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
      12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek:
      for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
      13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

      No confession — no belief that Christ as Son of God is Savior — no salvation.
      Does anyone really believe in Christ if they won’t at least say so???

      First stop for the damned the experience of decomposing flesh in whatever grave.
      Then the tortures of hell till the time of the 2nd resurrection and final judgment.
      Next getting cast out into the Lake of Fire with the rebel angels and demons,
      which was meant to contain them — forever. At which point the second death happens.
      There is no finally… it never ends.

      Mark 9 (As Jesus Christ taught…)
      42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me,
      it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
      43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed,
      than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
      44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
      45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life,
      than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
      46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
      47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out:
      it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye,
      than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
      48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

  7. It’s the same enemy (the rebel angels) behind the ufo’s no matter whether they’re:
    – aliens (worm hole travelers, interdimensional, ancient astronauts…)
    – black programs (corporate, government, new worlders…)
    – underground nazis
    – paranormal
    – returning gods
    – apparitions
    – delusions, hysteria, mass hypnosis
    – magic or some advanced tech
    – future humans or time travelers
    – automatons or AI’s
    – whatever

    Same way to deal with all of them:
    – submit to God, resist the devil
    – rebuke first, investigate later
    – take authority and dismiss or bind as needed
    – seek the Kingdom
    – love others (humans and especially God)

    No good reason to focus more on darkness or be more of an expert in those areas than focusing on and immersing yourself in Christ.

    Here’s an excellent messianic article on “traditions.” (cp. conservatism)


    Kinda like art. Need to master the techniques and also be creative. Work with the old and the new.

    My contribution for “First Fruits Day.” (where in our weekly exploration of the Sabbaths concerning Messiah — the harvesters have overtaken the planters)

  8. I followed the link about Saudi King Abdullah being in a coma (brain dead per the article). The comments are enlightening. His death will probably result in destabilization of Saudi Arabia with ultimate take-over by a radical Islamic terrorist group. SA is part of the peoples in Ps 83, so another card is being played out of that deck. The Israelistine map is a good one to clarify the situation, and we all know LA loves maps.


    From the spiritual side, several comments include mention the coming Mahdi. New to me that one Muslim belief is that he will rule for 7 years. Lots of discussion going on about whether the AC will be a Muslim.

    Seems like almost everybody is expecting somebody to save us SOON. Muslims are watching for the Mahdi; Orthodox Jews are watching for Messiah; New Agers are watching for ET’s or some sort of cosmic self-actualization shift; Wicca/Satanists are expecting the dark forces; and Christians – at least some of us – are expecting Jesus. I’m wondering if so many divergent religions have ever been on the same page before?

    • “Seems like almost everybody is expecting somebody to save us SOON”
      The Lord provideth, I am sure each group will get what his heart desires.

    • LookingUp, ” I’m wondering if so many divergent religions have ever been on the same page before?”

      Not since the days of Noah, I bet.

      Tom Horn has the goods on many of the various 2012 predictions, like David flynn
      says of this: “The answer Jesus provided His apostles for ‘when’ the end of the aion would occur was specific. The astronomical signs in the heavens would be just as those during the days of Noah when Leviathan encircled the horizon in the dawn of the Summer solstice. There could have been no more accurate comparison made between our present time than the age of Noah….The present aion is coming to a close. Like the sunteleia before, there will be great
      upheaval and change.”

      24 days till Dec 21st, 2012

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      Disturbing evidence is emerging that HAARP has been weaponized. Noted Brazilian physicist, Dr. Fran De Aquino, recently asserted the fully functional HAARP network is not only modifying weather and geophysical events, it may also be warping space and gravity—even time! Now applications of Nikola Tesla’s legendary “Death Ray” weapon may have been activated.

      HAARP’s high frequency radiowaves that can be intensified, modulated and directed to almost any place on Earth, are built upon some of the most advanced work of the legendary inventor and visionary, Nikola Tesla. Tesla worked for decades on a revolutionary weapons technology he named teleforce: a powerful, deadly death ray Tesla claimed would change warfare forever.

      Recently, bizarre auroras and disturbances to landmasses have called attention to the possibility that elements of HAARP technology have been weaponized to adopt Tesla’s annihilating death ray that works with the propagation of focused radio frequencies to disrupt the bonds that keep molecules together using nonlinear effects of intense radiated power.

  10. Watching that UFO reminded me of the way my kids mess with the dogs by bobbing a treat up and down in front of them, and then laughing at how the dogs just follow it with their faces. It’s like the fallen one just messes with ignorant mankind with these fascinating, deceptive light shows, that allure us with the eternal questions inherent in each of us.

  11. Greetings~
    Regarding the subject of the AC (LU, Eric W, Pudding and Jacqueline specifically; everyone interested in general)…. I posted late last night on yesterday’s blog thread about this. What I wrote I believe is very important and has been on my mind for some time. It would do my heart good if some of you would read it and consider replying to it. We can’t post there as L.A. closes comment sections at end of day. Anyway, the post is near the bottom so not too hard to find.
    In His Service,

    • Hi, Debra. Do you mean the part of your post asking about if there could be a counterfeit AC before the real one shows up? If so, I don’t know if any of the other religions have specific things to look for to know their particular brand of anti-christ, but as Bible-believing Christians, we know that the real deal will be the man who makes a strong covenant with Israel specifically for seven years.

    • can’t kinda get my head around a false, false christ, then a false antichrist, then another antichrist. i’m thinking that deception will be the AC looking like the blond haired white Jesus we have been pre-conditioned to see.

    • I can’t recall ever hearing about a false anti-christ concept. I cannot even imagine the scenario in my imaginative mind.

    • Like I said, Carolyn Hamlett — a Christian now but comes from a generational line of Theosophical background whose secret societies are attached as NGOs to the UN — writes about this concept in her blog article. I find the false-false thing difficult to follow myself; confusing and too much second-guessing. Draining. Nonetheless Carolyn really makes a case based on her insider knowledge. I posted in her comment section over a month ago but never heard back. I can’t remember who posted the link here but would sure like to hear what they think about it! The author Peter Lememursier (The Armageddon Script) also hammers away at this concept and the plans of the elite globalists to CAPITALIZE on Biblical apocalyptic prophecy. Basically, that’s what this is all about.. intensifying the deception and chaos.
      I’m going to take a chance and explain this the way I’m understanding it. Please bear with me…..
      Let’s say we believers decide Bob Smith is the man who most likely fits the AC profile. According to the globalists plan, Bob would be the FAKE AC. While we’re focused on Bob the actual AC comes in via another direction and we’ll suddenly realize/accept that this guy is REALLY Christ Jesus returned. In this manner the actual AC can now complete his deception upon the masses.
      Does this help?

    • All I can think of is John saying there are many antichrists among us already. It seems we get pre-antichrists already: Nero, Hitler, (pardon me, it’s my opinion) Obama. It doesn’t seem implausible or unscriptural to get a big one soon before the real deal. That said, I am trying to look for Jesus more than anything or anyone. If I don’t focus on Him, I seem to fall into sin so easily.

      A two-cent thought on the Mahdi: no way will he be the antichrist. Scripturally, he fits the bill for the false prophet.

    • One other concept involved in the AC/False Prophet teachings is that some believers argue they are one and the same while others claim them to be separate. Perhaps this may be at the bottom of this double-bind scenario. Just throwing it out here…..

    • I absolutely believe there will be a false antichrist!! 100%. People are looking for the AC and know he will come. They know he is evil so he will look like evil personified in their mind. In other words a crafty Hitler type. I believe this false AC will be Islamic. Read “Antichrist, Islam’s awaited messiah.” That book is excellent, but the conclusion is incorrect. The man the author describes is the false AC and the one who opposes him will be the real AC with all of his benovolent charm.

      If everyone here, who follows prophecy, has difficulty following it, then it is a scenerio ripe for deception. Remember it is a deception so strong that even the elect will be decieved, if that were possible. That is a VERY STRONG deception indeed.

      Yes, false antichrist fights againsts a false Christ who ushered in the real antichrist.

      You need a flow chart to understand.

    • Looking UP,
      I use to believe in the theory of the ac/7 yr covenant. But I myself no longer subscribe to it. I think it means the resumption of the 70 weeks decree of Daniel 9. If Daniel 9 is about fulfillment of prophecy, and Jesus fulfilled the first 4 feasts it is Jesus fulfilling them, antichrist will not fulfill any of them. The starting of the present day fulfillment will be Yom Teruah, the feast of trumpets. This starts it, not a treaty: Joel 2 confirms it: blow a trumpet, call a sacred assembly (all descriptions of Yom Teruah) for the Day of the Lord is at hand. Please search it out and see if it is confirmed to you, the reason being, if this is true I don’t want anyone to rest on their laurels because they don’t see a 7 yr covenant.

    • Mrs. M, whether you believe its scriptural or not, consider that a vast majority “consider” it scriptural, therefore I believe will be utilized as a means to decieve. People are looking for a seven year treaty. You want to create a false antichrist to use as a fall guy, then have him involved with a treaty. Instant AC.

    • Continued on from previous comment consider this false Christ will look authentic to Christians. He will also match the description of what Islam describes as Dajaal. The dajaal in Islamic prophecy is one who comes and claims to be Christ, but in reality is a false Christ. The dajaal is an Islamic antichrist. Each side will point to the other and say he is antichrist. Neither is correct, but Islam’s is closer because the one they call dajaal is really the false prophet in Christian prophecy. He ushers in the real antichrist. Who would dare to agree with Islam on any level, for they will be castigated as evil by association.

    • Yes, the entire Great/Strong Deception prophecy is astounding and will probably happen in ways we haven’t even begun to imagine. And like Hopeful and some others I believe it can and will affect Christians as well as the worldlies. The Biblical verse about the elect being fooled in no way (according to syntax structure) means they can NOT be fooled! The “…if it were possible” part only means without Holy Spirit discernment Christians can be (and honestly speaking…we are from time to time) deceived. This is why I posted about this subject and particular concept attached to it. We believers are not immune to being fooled.

    • Since this is not a hollywood production and thinking in simple terms and considering the sum total of what the anti-christ will be “I see” no need for some last episode of the season surprise ending.

      Even if a few or many knew who the AC will be or is I am sure no one will be able change what will be. The wise will understand who he is, but the rest will be deceived.

    • Pudding, no I totally disagree. It will be the wise who leads us down the road of deception. It will those led by the spirit of truth who won’t be decieved. This is how we distinguish what is of God and what is human creation. The elect are those submissively following the holy spirit.

    • Ahh, I understand pudding. Wisdom by Christian standards comes through the holy spirit. Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

      So sad how our cultural intellectuals are lost without truth and those with real truth through the holy spirit are cast as stupid and foolish. Shouldn’t be surprising of course, because scripture warns of this too.

    • 2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
      2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

      Wicked capitalized is “anomos” since it has an “a” it mean alpha lawless one since it is a negative article, that of course is Satan. Reading the two verses above tells us Satan’s body he is in is consumed when Jesus comes. Verse 9 tells us that Satan has been working laying signs and wonders.

      There are many “an” antichrist after their father the devil but in in the final end “THE” antichrist has come and he comes personating Christ, Rev 13:11-14

      Re 13:11 ¶ And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
      Re 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
      Re 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
      Re 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

      You see he does these miracles to prove to the masses he is the one come to save them, most I think will be deceived.

    • Hopeful, Exactly. The cultural intellectuals will be too busy chasing their tails trying to fix global warming to understand anything. 😉

      As Daniel says:
      (Dan 12:10) Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

    • I know my pastor.is filled with the holy spirit, but everytime I bring up prophecy he seems disinterested.

      With that is mind, I have a question:
      Will the holy spirit reveal this truth to the entire body of Christ so as to avoid deception or will it reveal the truth only to the watchmen, as described in ezekiel 33 who will then warn the others? Who are the elect? The elect who are righteous and enter heaven or the elect who wisdom has been bestowed?

    • If we think we can’t be deceived, we’re deceived already.

      Mrs. M, I agree, that the 7 years STARTS the 70th week; Joel 2 is about the END of the 7 year period whan Christ returns and fulfills Trumpets when He does. Daniel 9:27 says, “he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week.” In context, it’s the AC making a covenant with Israel for that last seven years. There have been men since Carter who have come up with peace plans and truces, but nothing specifically for 7 years. Verse 27 doesn’t say it’s a peace treaty but a strong covenant of some sort, so it could be something else.

      So, you’re saying God tells us there will be a seven year convenant, but we’re not supposed to look for it because it could be confusing? Hmmm. I think I’ll have to stick with the Word.

      I also have to disagree with the AC and False Prophet being the same person. Rev 16:13 specifically mentions the dragon, the beast and the false prophet. Rev 19:20 says the beast and false prophet are thrown in the lake of fire, while Rev 20:1-3 has Satan being bound and thrown into the abyss. Plus, it takes three counterfeit parts to make Satan’s unholy trinity.

    • Something to consider about deception.

      (Joh 6:39) And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing , but should raise it up again at the last day.

    • We’re saved by grace through faith which is a gift of God, not by work. Likewise, we’re kept by grace, not works.

      In Galatians 3 Paul asked the Galatians a rhetorical question, “You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified? This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?”

      Those who are saved are the elect. God does not unelect us because we are deceived about something. He is not a Yo-Yo God who holds us close when we’re on track and casts us away when we’re not. Christ is in us through the Holy Spirit, and He will be faithful to complete the work He has begun in us. Jesus, Jesus, Jesus.

      I have no doubt there will be consequences for believers who fall for the great deception, but being unelected, unadopted or abandoned by the Father or divorced by the Son is not one of them. “I will be with your always…I will never leave you or forsake you.”
      What a wonderful God we serve.

    • Well that video certainly is an eye opener. According to Doug Hamp the word elect means to choose or chosen as in the Jews. It doesn’t mean those who are saved and according to Hamp even some of the chosen will not be saved. Moreover, in this context Matthew 24 is saying the deception will be wide spread and the elect (I.e. the Jews) are not exluded from this possibility.

      It’s not saying that its impossible for the elect (I.e. Jews, not those who are saved) to be decieved.

      This is quite alarming. If faith is required for salvation and the act of being decieved can lead you away from salvation, then I would say that faith is a component of overcoming the deception. This says false Christ all over it, especially in context of the rest of the passage.

    • Considering it, Pudding. That the “elect” are Jews clarifies many uses of that word, especially in Matthew 24. Another example of the importance of knowing who the “who” is (who, what, when, where, why). It makes it easier to understand how they could be deceived since most won’t have the Holy Spirit.

      I think he’s off base on his statements that “elect” or “chosen” has nothing to do with salvation. I’m certainly no Greek scholar, but just running a quick check through the concordance on “elect, election, chosen, chose”, etc., the words are pretty much the same and used for both Jews and believers. For example, the word for the elect Jews of Matthew 24 is the same one used in Col 3:12 for believers. “The New Thayers Greek-English Lexicon” says, “chosen by God, and to obtain salvation through Christ; hence Christians are called the ‘chosen or elect of God.'” “The act of picking or choosing; used of that act of God’s free whill by which before the foundation of the world he decreed his blessings to certain persons,” which fits with 2 Thess 2:13: “But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth.

      I don’t know. It seems mainly like the age old debate between God’s sovereignty and man’s free will. I don’t think we’ll ever be able to understand how those work together until we get to the other side, but like a lot of truth, we don’t have to understand it to believe it.

      Doug said some other thought-provoking things. I’ll have to listen to it again. Thanks.

    • Galatians 3:28
      There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor
      female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. …

      Colossians 3:11
      Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian,
      Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all. …

      Romans 10:12
      … For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is
      Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. …

      Romans 2:10
      … but glory and honor and peace to every one that works
      good, both to Jew first and to Greek: …

      Romans 2:9
      … There will be tribulation and distress for every human being
      who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek, …

      Romans 1:16
      … For I am not ashamed of the glad tidings; for it is God’s power to salvation,
      to every one that believes, both to Jew first and to Greek: …

    • LookingUp, I am not totally convinced with what Doug Hamp explained, I will consider what he said for some time, as with most things like this I pray for clarity.

    • Some have postulated a false Rapture, a false Battle of Armageddon [ perhaps Psalm 83 War ], a false Anti Christ who will be defeated by the returning Christ [ real Anti Christ ] and in essence false everything which would indicate to believers that Prophecy is being fulfilled.

      I’m trying to be ready for any number of possible permutations and combinations of Endtime fulfillment.

      Doug Hamp has his own viewpoint on Endtime Prophecy [ a recent podcast ] but I stopped listening to it because it made my head spin. Yet another interpretation.

      Perhaps the future Two Witnesses in Jerusalem will be the ones to listen two for totally accurate updates.

    • Just a thought,
      Could Berry be the pre-antichrist, set up
      as he was, with many (deliberate) links to
      Zeus, and Christ, plus the sheva/Time thing, etc … Pharaoh ?

      The real anti-christ (Prince), defeats the
      pre-anti-christ(Berry) that is blamed for causing the war of Ezekiel 35, etc, and the desolation of the enemies on Israel’s border, (not listed in Ezekiel 38-39) and comes with lying signs and wonders to stop WW 3 and confirms the covenant.

      Will he light up the sky from east to west,
      with the space brothers, once the Holy Spirit lifts his foot from the serpents head,
      (because the lawless one cannot come
      before his appointed time.)

      The whole earth rejoices, according to
      Ezekiel 35, 14, while Israel’s enemies on their border, (Hamas, PA, Hizbullah,) are

      It would take “world peace” to cause the
      whole earth to rejoice at such a time of great slaughter, and to prevent Ezekiel 38-39 from attacking Israel.?

    • Jabez, not sure I quite follow a real AC defeating a pre-AC scenario as you say, that causes the Ezekiel wars.

      You do bring up something about “space brothers” that I have always considered, which some may take for blasphemy. At the risk of offending, I’ll present it here for others to consider. God will save Israel when Magog and the Persian alliance comes against it. However, many assume that the saving of Israel will come at the hands of a benevolent force. It is an interesting irony that God appoints prophets who profess God’s will for the Earth, but the fulfillment of these prophecies can and do come at the hands of evil. There is a hook in the jaw of Magog that God uses to show His sovereignty and will. Satan required permission from God to torment Job and God allowed this to reveal the sins of Job and bring him back. Perhaps one of the most startling is that the crucifixion of Jesus was done at the hands of evil prompted by Satan. The prophecy, “he was pierced for our transgressions” is a prophecy of God, but fulfilled by evil.

      Please do not misunderstand that I am not saying these prophecies are not holy, because they are 100% holy. This makes complete sense that evil plays an integral role in the fulfillment of prophecy, because the fact that there is evil is what necessitates prophecy in the first place. If there weren’t evil and sin that stems from evil, we would still be living happily with praise, prosperity and safety in the garden of Eden.

      So my greater point is I believe the supernatural strength that comes and saves Israel will be space brothers in craft. Follow this up with Ezekiel 39:17-20 is a startling look of what would be very unrighteous behavior coming on the heels of Israel being saved. This glimpse in Ezekiel 39 does however fit with what we know to be the habits of the Nephilim (where the legend of Vampires came from I believe who drink blood and are immortal).

      This speaks of God sending a delusion where we believe the lie. So this force of evil shown as an alien intervention, fulfills biblical prophecy leading to the one world government and religious control of the Antichrist. Our salvation does not come from physical intervention. It comes from faith to reject this worldly intervention and to wait for the unseen yet to come.

    • A false anti-Christ standing on the Mt. of Olives walking into Jerusalem would be one thing, but having the whole tribulation scenario duplicated before that would be impossible. For the fulfillment of Ps 83, Israel will have to take the fighting to those countries to achieve the victory described there; those countries won’t make it to Har Megiddo. I know there are those who think we’re in the first half of the tribulation now, but I’m afraid we haven’t seen anything yet compared to what’s coming. And there’s that seven-year-strong-covenant thing, too.

      Right on Nome. I’ve never understood how anybody can believe in a dual covenant for salvation for Jews. Talk about deceived. But I think those verses deal specifically with salvation being available to everyone. I understand Dug trying to make sure that people understand that the Church is not Israel and vice versa, but I think he’s thrown the baby out with the bathwater on this one..

      Ready to go; prepared to stay. Maranatha!

    • Jabez, actually nevermind. I do follow the real AC defeating a false AC scenerio, I just didn’t follow the thought that the false AC is Obama as you said. I don’t think he is, but anything is possible.

      Wow, this whole thing is so confusing. Thank the Lord above He made it so simple. Faith in Jesus Christ and submission to the spirit. Done, end of story. Do not pass go. Do not collect 200 dollars.

  12. Is Egypt’s president fulfilling biblical prophecy?


    “And I will set the Egyptians against the Egyptians: and they shall fight euery one against his brother, and euery one against his neighbour; citie against citie, and kingdome against kingdome.”

    -Isaiah 19:2 1611 King James Bible

    • Ha haaaa… you beat me to it Blic! I was just going to link the same. This is an excellent example of case-in-point about our discussion on the Strong Delusion (i.e. Deception) and AC/False Prophet. The Morsi thing is doubtless one of several ways in which the globalists are hedging their bets.
      From what I understand, the ME must be brought into sync within the NWO Plan; can’t have radical, loose cannon Islamists and the Shiite vs. Sunni debacle being the proverbial monkey wrench in the works now can they? The ME must be in harmonious alignment with the NWO.

    • I’m not Debra, but I think it’s the Middle East.

      However, if Israel blows the Psalm 83 nations out of the water, that would get rid of a lot of those rowdy Muslims.

    • Have y’all noticed there’s a lot of newspeak going on? I thought it was just in the USA, but obviously not according to this example from the WND article:

      “Playing off the title of Turkey’s ruling Islamist political party, “The Justice and Development Party,” the Muslim Brotherhood ironically named its political party ‘The Freedom and Justice Party.’”

      George Orwell would be proud.


    ‘Hungarian, Marton Gyongyos, of Jobbik party calls for list of Jews who are threat to country’.

    OK, where’s my can of RAID!, Black Flag will do.

    • Bigfoot DNA

      The Houston Chronicle’s Eric Berger does some unraveling of Ketchum and the claims she made in the news release.
      For starters, Berger notes that while Ketchum has 27 years of genetic research experience during her career as a veterinarian, her company, DNA Diagnostics, has received an “F” rating from the Better Business Bureau.
      But more important, Ketchum has not allowed scientific peer review of her findings.
      “That is a massive red flag. Real research scientists almost never preannounce their research findings,” Berger writes. “In effect she is using the mantle of science to confer credibility on her discovery, without actually deserving the credibility.”
      And finally, where exactly did Ketchum get her DNA sample? After all, if she was working from a reliable source, that alone might be the real story because no physical evidence of Bigfoot exists on record.
      As it turns out, Ketchum says her DNA sample was obtained from a blueberry bagel left in the backyard of a Michigan home that, according to the owner, sees regular visits from up to 10 Sasquatch creatures.

      In other words, it seems likely that the legend of Bigfoot will remain more myth than reality for the foreseeable future

      If 10 Bigfeet (Bigfoots?) were visiting this woman’s back yard on a regular basis as reported I’m pretty sure they would have left her more than a half eaten bagel..:) Seems the most likely explanation is that Ketchum decoded the DNA of a blueberry bagel.
      Uh, how about we set up a motion-sensor camera before we go around analyzing the DNA from what is probably a homeless former Oldsmobile worker.
      And as far as it beng DNA from a hybrid of a female homo sapien and a male of “unknown hominin species” I see that every time I go to Walmart.

    • Not sure how my post ended up here…but as far as roaches are concerned, be careful of the flying ones… eee-gads! Shall I tell you about the FLYING roaches here? Honest to goodness! And there are different varieties/species. Oh, yeah! It’s the gun-toting ones that are truly scary. One time two of them with bandito-style bullet holsters and six-shooters demanded I close the closet door, or else! These awful-looking, flying things give me the creeps. I just about kill myself trying to get away from them. Those things are almost the size of small rodents., I want to launch a drone armed with bug bombs if I see one.

    • I’d love to have that, seems kind of dangerous though, it could possibly put out an eye. People get crazy here on New Year’s Eve, sounds like downtown Beirut until the wee hours of the morning, we don’t have a noise ordinance.

  14. “http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/27/15483603-national-security-risk-far-right-leader-pushes-hungary-to-draw-up-list-of-jews?lite”

    This level of anti-Semitism in Europe should make everyone’s skin crawl.

  15. For those among us here who chimed in on the Strong Deception/AC/False Prophet thread here is a link to a fascinating PDF outtake regarding Peter LeMesurier’s “The Armageddon Script” and the subject that Carolyn Hamlett tackled about the intensity of the AC deception. I’m so glad we looked into this together. Thank you all and Yahweh’s peace be with you.
    LINK to “www.scribd.com/doc/20641686/A-Planned-Deception-PDF-Version”

    • Gnarly dude. Considering we have many bible translations these days I believe one more is needed for the young folk, are you feelin me here? Bam!

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