Sunday Go To Meeting Bun – Guest Post!

Sunday Bun!

Conference Update:  I kicked of the conference with three hours on Friday night.  Russ took the helm on Saturday morning and then I did another four hours that afternoon.  It was fairly well attended and all in all the people got it!  Thanks to my gracious hosts, Jim and Carol Cunningham and Pastor Gary and his wife Ruth.  Also I want to thank Doug and Dave for all their help in getting the power point to work!  Thanks to all who attended the conference!   Thanks to all of you who covered us in prayer!

I received this email today and thought it was to good NOT to post, so here it is.  Before I get it I want to tell you all a quick story that I also shared yesterday in my presentation.  I was mad at God and everyone at a church where I had been evicted for standing up to the pastor for wanting to divorce his wife.  Six months after I left he married his wife’s best friend and left the ministry.  I was bitter and didn’t go to church or fellowship for about a year.  One day I was driving and the Lord told me that if I did not forgive others then He couldn’t forgive me.  I was stunned.  I then went to the Gospels – Matthew 6:14-15 – and found the passage that speaks about bitterness and unforgiveness. It was a tough lesson but one I hope I will never have to repeat again.  Here’s the post about forgiveness!

This post was sent to me by Watcher Anita!


Urgent message before the rapture…, (btw I love your show)
Everyone is saying Jesus is coming, get ready, but no one is saying HOW.
Preachers are saying to ask God for  forgiveness; but they leave out an important aspect of scripture that allows God to forgive us.
Just as important as knowing the time is near is being prepared to go when it happens.
I cannot stress enough how important forgiving others is.
If we do not forgive others God CANNOT forgive us.      It is CRITICAL.
Jesus told a parable about unforgiveness in Matthew 18:23-35
For this reason the kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who wished to settle accounts with his slaves. When he began the reckoning, one who owed him ten thousand talents was… brought to him; and as he could not pay, his lord ordered him to be sold, together with his wife and children and all his possessions and payment to be made. So the slave fell on his knees before him saying, have patience with me, and I will pay you everything.
But that same slave, as he went out, came upon one of his fellow slaves who owed him a hundred denarii and seized him by the throat, he said, pay what you owe. Then his fellow slave fell down and pleaded with him, have patience with me and I will pay you. But he refused then he went and threw him in prison until he would pay the debt. When his fellow slaves saw what happened they were greatly distressed and they went and reported it to their lord what had taken place. Then his lord summoned him and said to him, you wicked slave! I forgave you all that debt because
you pleaded with me. Should you not have mercy on your fellow slave as I had mercy on you?
And in anger his lord handed him oer to be tortured until he would pay his entire debt. So our heavenly father will do to every one of you if you do not forgive your brother or sister from the heart.
Matthew 6:14-15
If you forgive others their trespasses your heavenly father will forgive you; but if you do not forgive others, neither will your father forgive your trespasses.
Whatever your reason for unforgiveness you MUST release it. That is what is being spoken of by Jesus in Luke 6: 37-38
“Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”
That is NOT a scripture about tithing as most preachers want you to believe. It is about forgiveness. Jesus is so expressive about forgiving and being forgiven. It is the only way to wash your robes white in that if you do not forgive you cannot fulfill the two commands Jesus left us, that is to love God with all your heart soul and mind and love one another as he loved us.
The message is this:

51 thoughts on “Sunday Go To Meeting Bun – Guest Post!

  1. Wow. You have given me my prayer task for the day!!!!! (I hope I can work through it in a day….seems more like months or years worth but……)
    As I read the bun, I was thinking about all the “enemies” that I have forgiven and how I now have an odd affection for so many that really did do bad things to me. I have worked to understand them and I have given it all to God. I can honestly say that I do love them now even if I know that I should have no contact.
    BUT!!!!!…..As I was reading and thinking after yesterday’s topic, I realized that I have been holding disgust and hate for several people that I do not even know personally……muslim jihaddists, goofy north korean rulers, the iranian madmen, and worst of all, some senators and congressmen, a whole bunch of performers and main stream news pundits and…….. my own president. WOW, my learn to forgive cup runneth over!
    And, side note; what a nice surprise to have the bun up so early. My first thought was, “Uh oh, L.A. is awake and watching at 4a.m.!!!!! Must be something intense to have him up so early in California! Then remembered you are in my time zone for the conference…..but the Lord working in mysterious ways, you are here and posting early because I have a full full day of prayer work ahead of me!

    • I guess the tricky thing is how to hate the sin and yet love the sinner when ya do not personally know the sinner and all we hear are the sins. How to love when there is nothing loveable known.

    • I’m not real fond of these people, but I have to feel sorry for them.

      They are victims of Satan who haven’t yet seen the light of Christ. They are oppressed by the evil religious system they were born under (sometimes an evil political system or an evil culture) and which still holds them in bondage.

      And most horrible of all, they don’t know Jesus.

      There but for the grace of God go all of us.

    • Dwelling for all of the day yesterday on my feelings about the people in government or in the news for other reasons and I have realized that I do not know them and to form any opinion based on the lame stream is just wrong….we only hear what that venue wants us to hear….and when the watchmen warn us about some act or behavior it is also only about the act or behavior….it is not a way of knowing the whole person.
      So…..I am back to loving the sinner while hating the sin but have to admit that I still feel repelled by seeing some of them on TV or pics on the net. But….big BUT….that image is also not them and only God can know their heart. I forgive. I am able to pray for them.
      I don’t know when I lost that knack because once years ago I had an assistant who is Jewish and we were discussing salvation and she asked me if I thought anybody could be saved and go to heaven and of course I said “Yes” but then she asked if I thought it could be possible for Hitler to be there. Well, hard question, but I told her that no one but God knew if in the last second he had repented, accepted Christ and yes it was possible but not probable. Funny how I forgot that whole conversation and have been so caught up in the current world of leaders who are so similar!

  2. Great topic! God is love. He loves even the most unlovable enemy, because that’s who He is … not because of tolerating them.

    Love isn’t remaining silent when something should be said. LA was exactly right to object to divorce like described and especially involving a pastor.

    Apostates don’t want to recognize that the Almighty is also just. He has a ministry over the authorities that is not primarily focused on the church. His ministry of vengeance is there in Genesis and the Revelation in fearsome array. It’s also there in Isaiah 61(v. 2) and Romans 13. But not in Luke 4:19(…). It’s there in the Armor of God verses in Isaiah 59:17, but again not spelled out in Ephesians 6.The elders in the church do serve to judge in the church as a group appropriately by council, but that’s part of being a community, not part of being Church. It’s like having 12 jurors…. And we’re told in scripture that if we judge ourselves, we won’t be judged.

    There’s a time and place to judge. There’s a time and place to speak out. False witnesses and apostates do neither. And when that happens all should quake and tremble.

    1 Corinthians 6
    1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
    2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world?
    and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
    3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

    4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
    5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you?
    no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
    6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.

    7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another.
    Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?
    8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.

    9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?
    Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
    10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

    11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified,
    but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

    It is apostasy to tolerate homosexuality, fornication, divorce, drunkenness and similar intoxication (marijuana), abortion, and even hollywood movie forms of pedophilia and “young love.” Consider “Righteous Lot” about what happens. Or Samson. Or Solomon. Or even Abraham as regards Hagar. (not all sex is for pleasure … but also for procreation, not all drinking is for pleasure … but also to forget … perhaps even the loss of a spouse)

    Homosexuality is not a “civil rights” issue regardless of what the NAACP, the US president, or US vice president say. It’s sin and damned like all sin. Apart from Christ there is no salvation from the repercussions. It’s what the rebel angels did and do; especially, as regards Genesis 6 and the nephilim. The nephilim in the world today are global giants,,,

    We must judge these things rightly — not as hypocrites. Apostates say, “judge not” and won’t tell the whole truth much less the whole story.

    Isaiah 5
    18 Woe unto them that draw iniquity with cords of vanity, and sin as it were with a cart rope:
    19 That say, Let him make speed, and hasten his work, that we may see it:
    and let the counsel of the Holy One of Israel draw nigh and come, that we may know it!
    20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness;
    that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

    21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
    22 Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:
    23 Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!

    Like it or not — a world without judgment or without vengeance is not part of Love.

    It is only through the longsuffering and mercy of God that we’re not instantly punished for our sins. Those that walk with the angels that help execute the ministry of vengeance best be righteous.

    The clock is ticking. Even patience runs out. The world does not want anything to do with Christ or His ways. They want to remake Him into a babe in a manger, or little lamb, or an aging toothless lion. The majority reject God — failing to grasp that the repercussions of their own sins create the hell that’s coming on them. They want satan and the rebel angels — and when these are cast out of heaven — the world will experience first hand what it means to be joined to them. Keep watch. Know when to come out from them.

    • thank you for this fine post. Now all that I need is to determine if I am just angry at someone or need to forgive them!

    • Emotions like anger, sadness, and grief can become a trap if we dwell in them. We’re told in the Word not to let the sun go down on our anger (Eph. 4:26). Forgiving others helps dispel them. Not forgiving leads to pride, bitterness, and depression.

      We know we need to keep our emotions in check. That’s why there are rules for lethal force, why the military practice high danger situations, why cops use respect and courtesy, why juries have multiple people, and why courts deliberate.

      Those that break the law generally get to experience what it’s like to be under the thumb or gun of authorities that likewise abuse it. Gang justice and corrupt cops or jailers are what those that break the law reap. Prison gangs demand protection money calling it “taxes.” God is not mocked, whatever we sow we reap, and usually with increase.

      Forgiveness in the sense of “but for the Grace of God, there go I” helps defuse our emotions. I’m a sinner saved by grace, which is just as much a part of the love of God as His willingness to execute justice. We won’t always have to deal with the rebel angels and those that are joined to them.

      The Armor of God, though certainly also spiritual as an extension of Christ’s own Holy Spirit in us, is also very simply practical. We can’t show grace, unless we have something to forgive. We can’t show faith without something to fear. We can’t choose peace without the option for war. Nor can we tell what’s just without the option to remain silent. A true witness is not a silent witness.

      God’s Armor is made to soften the blows. Assuredly the blow is going to come. That could be a disaster like a quake or storm. Our choice then is to care for those impacted or lord over them from bunkers and forts forcing them into slave labor camps.

      It’s all there in the Revelation when the Seals are open. Terrorists use fear, not faith and we see the result in Seal 5 when souls under the altar (martyred) cry out to God. The response to them is patience, since God is also being patient for the last of the lost and the choices of the saints to be come out and shine like jewels and stars in utter darkness.

      And it’s there again in Seal 6 where the rulers charged with caring for other hide. And again in Seal 7 where the worldly that want God to at least say something about injustice reap silence — until the Trumpet of God sounds, the last Trump.

      God’s Armor isn’t just a matter of prayer, though as Marzulli’s pointed out, we can use the Word to cut off those wicked thoughts that come as attacks from the enemy, by the Blood of Jesus they can’t remain. The Armor is also having that connection to Christ and the spiritual strength to make the hard choices. To turn from anger and rage and give it instead to God. “Vengeance is mine, says the Lord” As needed, He will pay. Otherwise the lost have the same opportunity for grace as we all do — if someone will only share their witness — and the Good News of God’s Forgiveness.

      For God so loved the world (His enemy) that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosover believes in Him (in Christ) shall not perish but have everlasting life. For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn it, but that through Him (Christ) the world (not all) can be saved.

      Many will still turn away from Him to the rebels whose time is quickly running out. They’ll make the wrong choice, put on their ironman costumes, pick-up their war hammers, grab their shields of misspent patriotism, and as demonically supercharged superheroes, like gods, they’ll go out to conquer their enemies. Just like in the movies or so they believe.

      I could have said they will pick up their nukes, and put on their tanks, and cut off the flow of goods to their enemies with sanctions. When the buttons are pushed and the orders given, it will all seem like the video games which make them feel like gods.

      Much more can be said. The Holy Ghost will work through those willing. Please forgive me for hogging the blog.

  3. I’ve pondered that scripture for decades. At first it seems so severe, almost like the unpardonable sin. Or akin to our losing, no, gaining, no, I just lost it again, now I’m back in God’s graces, whew, oh, I just lost it again…my salvation.
    But in the light of Chuck and Nan’s “Kingdom, Power and Glory” book, perhaps, just perhaps a better way to view this scripture is that we might lose our REWARDS but not our salvation. We might spend the Millennium in the “outer darkness” being re-trained by God. We wouldn’t enjoy intimate fellowship with Christ for a period of time. But nevertheless, we would be in heaven. We would be saved.
    Does that make sense?

    • The unpardonable sin is unbelief. If you blaspheme the Holy Spirit, you’re an unbeliever because there’s NO way a Holy Spirit filled Christian could do that in the first place.

    • see mark 3:22-30 the unpardonable sin was when the pharisee”s said what Jesus performed by the Holy Spirit was of the devil. it had nothing to do with unbelief. if that were the case we would all be in trouble.

    • I learned most of my scripture from Koinonia House (Chuck Missler) but as far as I can see he and his wife Nancy added something to the gospel when they talked about a person being in outer darkness during the Millennium, being retrained. However, it IS a concept of mercy, the mercy of God. It is similar to the concept of Reincarnation,
      which most of us do not believe in because it’s unscriptural. Similar to the Purgatory of the Catholics, which I tend to hope is true, to retrain people because of God’s mercy. But to state as definite this 1000 years of Outer Darkness is not correct. It is possible. Unknown. I don’t know if the Misslers stated it as positively known, or just possible, because I did not read the book on it, just the short article in K-House’s Personal Update.

  4. I believe the bible teaches eternal security. That means this parable speaks to loss of fellowship, not loss of salvation. Notice that the King (God/Jesus) threw the servant in prison to be tormented only until the debt was paid. When Jesus died on the cross, all of our debt was paid. All sins were forgiven for those who believe in their heart that Jesus is God and that he died to pay our debts (sins) and confess him as such with our mouth before men.

    Of course we are admonished as Christians to forgive others, but our sin nature sometimes makes it difficult to do so. We are not perfect while in the flesh. Our inability to be perfect will not result in loss of salvation. If perfection in the body were possible then the cross would not have been required in the first place!

    • Absolutely. One saved always saved. Scripture clearly teaches that.

      Sin in general begets more sin.

      Bitterness and not forgiving someone can easily lead to even worse sins to be sure. These are subtle sins at first. In the past, I’ve had to be “checked” myself by the Lord on it and it can be like: “Wow, I really was holding a grudge there” and you have to make a very deliberate effort before God. The Scripture even teaches if you can go directly to the person and forgive them, then so much the better. I’ve done that before and believe me, it’s not easy. That’s where the pride sin can come into the picture, too, because “I’m right and they’re wrong” which is also an easily wrong attitude.

      I certainly don’t believe you can lose your salvation if you’re really saved and I think Scripture clearly teaches that but you can most certainly backslide big time and suffer the consequences thereof. It can get ugly and unpleasant.

    • the righteous can become unrighteous not to mention their are supposedly ways to revoke Christ from your life especially in the vilest rituals and necromantic ceremonies. That these are infrequent is not in dispute but satan surely loves to destroy the righteous man far more than the unsaved.

    • The righteous usually require smaller and less frequent nudges to set them back on the narrow path, so those that would fall so far as to lose salvation, it might be questionable whether they truly had it in the first place. I suppose you could have something bad happen where you lose your faith, but God doesnt make us endure anything more than we can handle. So I’d have to say that losing salvation is possible, if you were to focus on unrighteous behavior, but improbable since once you know truth its hard to lose your way. It’s like trying to teach somebody that gravity is not a force that pulls you down from below but a force that pushes you down from above. Once you think truth is a certain way you are hard pressed to move someone away from that.

    • I appreciate everyone’s reply. When it comes to losing salvation, I’m afraid that we will have to agree to disagree. I believe that once saved, the Holy Spirit is sealed within the believer and is forever kept there by the hand of God. Saying that salvation can be lost is tantamount to saying that there is some sin that the blood of Jesus is unable to overcome or pay for. If this is true then did Jesus die in vain? We attain salvation by the Grace of God and by the blood sacrifice of Jesus. We can do nothing to earn it nor can we do anything to negate it once our Father (God) bestows this gift upon us. God is not fickle. He is Omniscient and would never grant salvation just to remove it later.



    • Richard, I don’t disagree with you, but I can see how some may believe that to be true. There are many people who say and believe they will receive salvation, but have no outward evidence of the spirit. I would say that such people have decieved themselves but have yet to be baptized with the Holy Spirit. So when these people fall, they believe that salvation that was once theirs is no longer there.

      So as far as perception, it would “appear” you can lose salvation but the reality of it, once the Holy Fire has annointed you, there is no turning back. Jesus will be with us always to the end of the age.

      Sorry if my musing muddied the waters.

  5. For the east coast folks… probably best to keep an eye on TS Alberto. It’s taken a bit more southernly track…

    “” (weather underground, click satellite and radar and start the animation)

    Very prominent eye when you look at visible satellite. Doesn’t show up on radar or IR satellite yet. Animation shows it south of the projected course and headed more SW before sweeping north as projected.

    For later:
    “” (John Rugiano)
    “” (“A Mid-Atlantic & Northeast Weather Forum”)
    “” (google news on Alberto, in most recent published order)

    I’ve experience storms like this sitting and churning almost stationary for days until the winds reverse their course. The problem is more about flooding than wind when that happens.

    • I live in Hindsville GA and it has dropped down to 66 here in a short time.I see tornadoes coming

  6. Thank you for that post LA! Yknow I’m really down to listening to just you and Jim Wilhemsen in you’re prophetic news. And honestly, for this very post is why. I’m sure there are other Christian Watchmen who do still speak of Christ’s love and stuff such as in this post, I don’t follow everyone to know. But it seems, and I will not say names, but some are just sooooo focused on exposing this and exposing that -and yes their goal IS important- but they hardly ever speak of Christ’s love and forgiveness, our need to repent of our sins. And I’m not bashing these people by no means, I myself am an extremist and I know what it’s like to get carried away. But no matter what kind of ministry any of us are in, we need to always always be pointing people to Christ, to repentance, to forgiveness, to Him, always always. So I thank you LA for not only your heart as a Watchman, but for always pointing people back to Christ! This post was much needed and it spoke to me, thank you! God bless you!

    • I second that. Amen brother. L.A. is a watchman of the highest order because he humbles himself out of the picture to redirect all of the deep and winding rabbit holes back to Christ as the ultimate answer and truth. Too many, and I have fallen victim to this as well, want the truth seeking to shine some light on us as the truth seekers. All, and I mean ALL, glory and honor to God.

  7. Actually Jesus compares unforgiveness to MURDER. And murderers will in no wise inherit the kingdom of heaven. If we say we love God and do not forgive others we are liars and the light of God does not live in us. There were 10 virgins, but only 5 were ready. Do you want to take the chance that unforgiveness will keep you from the Kingdom? Do you want to live with that firey pain that unforgiveness causes? Do you think the Holy Spirit wants to live in a murderous temple? These may seem like harsh statements, but if you read scripture closely after having heard this message the truth about unforgiveness will jump out clearly.

    • I agree. Jesus didn’t say, “If you don’t forgive, I won’t hang out with you as much.” No, He said He wouldn’t forgive. How many of the unforgiven will be hanging out with the Lord? None; forgiveness is an act of obedience – a decision of the will. If the human will refuses to obey the command of Christ, that person will be eternally separated from Christ.
      God is perfect holiness. Only perfect holiness can exist in His presence. If one is unforgiven, it is not possible to go to Heaven and stand in the presence of God. That person will be thrown out where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth.

  8. L.A., I love your ministry and your site and follow both with great regularly. I am though a little disheartened about today’s post. To throw Matthew 18 and this parable on the church today is putting the church under the law, which of course was the dispensation that Christ ministered in. The change from the law to Grace of course did not come until at the soonest Pentecost. Whereas I agree, and so does the apostle Paul who wrote in Ephesians 4: “And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, just as God in Christ forgave you.” but he does not bring us under the law. Under grace the church acts in response to the Grace we have been shown. There are ample scriptures in the Old Testament where salvation is conditional. Joel 2:12-19 comes quickly to mind as does of course Deuteronomy 28-30 where the Mosaic covenant can be found. Today, we need only read the truth’s that came by revelation (Galatians 1:12, 2:2, 2 Cor. 12:1) to the apostle Paul where he clearly presents the result of the gospel like this: “For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast”. (Ephesians 2:8.9) Furthermore see this regarding the Parable of the Rich Young Ruler and you should see the problem with trying to mix law and grace:


    In Matthew 19:16 to 26, we have the record of a rich, young, moral, upright, religious ruler, who came to Jesus and asked, “Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?” Matthew 19:16.

    Remember Christ said, “the foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay His head.” Matthew 8:20. They called Him a demon-possessed Samaritan and many other names. But here is a man with everything that should make him happy. He had kept the commandments from his youth up. He was young. He was rich. He was a ruler. And yet to the humble Nazarene he came for a different kind of inheritance. Note I Peter 1:3 and 4: “An inheritance uncorruptible, undefiled and that fadeth not away.”

    Note Christ’s reply and the young man’s predicament and decision: “Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven; and come and follow me. But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.” Matthew 19:21 and 22.

    Then the words of Christ in Matthew 19:23: “Then said Jesus unto His disciples, Verily I say unto you, that a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.”

    Today, in the reign of grace, we would not tell a rich man to first give up his riches and then follow Jesus, in order to receive eternal life. Because the free gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23. God’s truth is expressed for this age in Romans 3:24: “Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.” Also in Romans 4:5: “But to him that worketh not, but believeth on Him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”

    • Co-signed.

      I could be unpleasantly shocked here but I’m fairly confident that the intent behind the Bun write up is not to “mix law and grace.”

      What I took from this was (and it’s true): Not forgiving someone is a festering seed of bitterness that leaves the door cracked open for more sin and a slippery slope of backsliding that can happen to any Christian. It can start subtly and very small where you’re not even fully aware you’re holding a grudge and not forgiving someone for something.

      Been there, done that more than once. Not fun. It doesn’t mean you aren’t still saved but you get to suffer some consequences for sin until you hand it over to the Lord and start getting things set right.

      This goes for any sin. Allow something to fester and it grows.

    destitute of faith
    hostile to Christ
    bears bad fruit
    slanderous to God
    not lovers of God
    brutal to the truth
    wicked and decietful
    malicious and untrustworthy
    unholy and undisciplined
    a trucebreaker
    lowest form of degredation
    resembles the accuser
    works all uncleaness
    despises God
    unthankful to God
    spirit of error
    emnity against God
    dishonor God

  10. I just want to reiterate that what we’re talking about here is a loss of closeness, of intimate fellowship with God. In other words, when we don’t forgive, we’re bringing on a “distancing” from God that we only have ourselves to blame.
    The sad thing is that, for many, this loss of fellowship isn’t that much different from the rest of their relationship with God. Their prayers weren’t answered before, so what’s so different now?
    So I suppose if our relationship with God wasn’t close before, holding grudges won’t seem like a big deal.
    That’s a sad indictment.

    • When we make the decision to harden our hearts against others, we also harden our hearts against God — that hardness we chose comes between us and God.

    • Forgiving somone that has cheated and lied is the hardest thing anyone can do,at least thats my belief. Even after you forgive there is no such thing as forgetting how much the person you loved more than anything,could tear your heart out . You forgive for your own sake and sanity… The bible says forgive
      as we are forgiven…It does not say forget…To forget, is to open
      oneself again, to the same pain we have already suffered.
      You forgive them because you need to be able to move on. I don’t think you should forget though. When you forget, history may repeats itself so it’s in your best interest to remember so you can prevent it from happening again with the same person or with someone else.
      Forgiving isn’t easy and it takes time. I think when you can remember the good parts of that person or times you had with them without being consumed by the negative things they’ve done then you are on the road to forgiveness.

  11. Its diffucult to forgive a rapist, or a pedophile, or someone who has murdered your child. Or an alcoholic parent who beat you severely daily, or an ex who stole everything you own, a boss who fired you because you woukdnt sleep with him,a pastor threw you out if prison ministry because the Holy Spirit moved to strongly etc. But we must!
    A long time ago, I realised something. If you give it to God, he will take caee of their punishment . I have seen it happen over and iver

    • It takes God to do any of this. That’s the point. We have to yield but only He could forgive someone that does something like that. We can’t live the Christian life. Only He can through is if we let him and give Him the driver seat. 🙂

    • So that made it easier for me to forgive knowing God will take care of it! And then I could pray for them more easily too!

    • It’s easier said than done as I’m sure all of can attest to. If someone is a victim of a person that does something horrible like rape, etc….wow, it takes BIG time Holy Spirit assistance to even begin to get a forgiveness concept off the ground.

      Even the mainstream secular press always makes note when one of these stories happens where someone was murdered or raped or something horrible like that and the victim or victim’s family’s come out and either say to the public “We forgive them” or sometimes say it directly to the person in court. It always gets people’s attention because there’s only one way that can even happen and it’s not human nature by itself.

    • i used to work for a small hospital that was very mean to its emplyoees in the later years of my employment. I finally had enough and quit work there but, I told God that the place was in his hands and to do what ever he saw fit to handle the situation. About a year later after i quit, the hospital went out of business. Somethings are best left for God to settle.

    • I believe the outward actions of sin, whether it be a minor offense or gut wrenching, is symptomatic of a deeper issue. That is their hearts are not circumcised to God, therefore they have an indwelling of an evil spirit inside of them that affects their thinking. This is not an excuse for sin, but is a reality of ones nature to sin. If we look around and understand that nearly everyone we come into contact with has this untamed evil indwelling, then we will have a richer understanding of how we as Christians are truly sheep among wolves. If you slit your hands and submerged in a shark tank would you be shocked when they attacked you. It is their nature to hunt, as it is in the human’s nature to sin since the garden of Eden.

      Jesus knew exactely what he was dealing with in the people around him, including His very own chosen apostles, who were also wrestling with these inner demons. If Peter, Jesus’s right hand man, was overcome by Satan, can anyone here say that we also are not suseptible? This is why the armor of God is so important.

      This understanding that sin is a symptom and not the root of the problem, also makes forgiveness easier, because you can look at a person and say that person wronged me because they do not have the love of Christ in them. Christ was in the very midst of the most agonizing form of execution and yet he pleaded their case to the father for their forgiveness because they knew not what they did. It didn’t matter how many miracles Jesus did in front of them, it was their sin nature that propelled them forward to torture and murder the Christ.

      So you see sin is the symptom, not the problem. You fix the heart and align it with God and you will go and sin no more.

  12. It’s worth asking why this lesson comes up now? What’s coming that we’ll need it? Everything so far may have just been practice.

    Russian invasion? FEMA camps? Looting, riots and gang rape? Forced abortions. Forced sterilization. Children taken to be indoctrinated with the doctrines of demons….

    Corrie Ten Boom was in her 50’s when thrown in the Nazi concentration camps with her family. She survived, they didn’t. And she lived to 95 giving her witness.

  13. The ultimate wrong done to any one, is to kill them.

    LUKE 23:34 But Jesus was saying, “ Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing.” And they cast lots, dividing up His garments among themselves.

    • Whether from the opening production credits “…We will control what you see and hear…bla bla bla…” to the symbolism and suggestion throughout the film itself this is like Elaine said “Wow…..just wow…..” Thanks so much for sharing this Faithful E!

  14. Many of the Scriptures that address the forgiveness theme seem to be directed to issues between fellow believers.. not between believers and non-believers. Is there really any difference at all? In post #11, John Michael draws attention to Jesus forgiving them that crucified him (presumably these are unbelievers.) And other NT verses speak to forgiveness between members of the family of faith. I guess what I’m getting at is this: are there certain “protocols” for each group? There are many unbelievers from my life prior to my walk with Christ. Most of them I no longer associate with (for healthy and diverse reasons) and some are relatives (close and not so.) I have no ill will, anger or bitterness toward any believers. Perhaps some mis-givings among the others that I need guidance and clarity in understanding (a bit blurry in there.) I think my biggest problem is with forgiving myself for all the stuff that our Lord Jesus has already forgiven me! Maybe it’s really just the forgetting? My oh my… what a post! Blessings to all:^)

    • Debra, you must forgive them all because unforgiveness creates barriers through which the Holy Spirit cannot/will not work and creates footholds for satan (Jesus gave no caveat as to who to forgive and who not to forgive).

      The different “protocol” comes into play when considering reconciliation. Do all you can to reconcile with believers. Matthew 18 is the instruction sheet for that. But, do not reconcile with those who do not walk orderly and in obedience (habitually – we all mess up at times) with the Lord. You do not want to become unequally yoked or compromised with unrepentant sinners. And you don’t want to get pulled back into an old lifestyle because of the strong pull of old “friends.”

    • Oh wow… thank you so much Rose! I apologize if I sounded in any way dismissive and/or ridiculous. I realized (after posting) that I seemed to be implying that forgiveness was only for brethren! Just didn’t know how to word my thoughts on “paper”. When you mentioned the word ‘reconciliation’ there was immediate confirmation in my spirit that this is indeed the only difference accompanying the act of forgiveness. So be it. Last night I had a dream about foot washing. I just can’t remember if it was me or someone else doing it. Perhaps that’s neither here nor there — the thing that truly matters is how foot washing fits into the act of forgiveness, how it parallels it? Or is it something else entirely that the Lord wants me to know? His love and blessings to you always.

  15. Went to the conference yesterday in Vienna, Ohio and heard Russ Dizdar and L.A. They were both excellent. L.A. played a clip form Brad Metzger’s “Decoded.” The episode was “The Spear of Destiny.” It was jaw-dropping to say the least. The man who is said to have the spear claims to be a son of the nephilim.

  16. Matthew 18:21,2 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

    I realized something when I read these verses recently. By Peter’s reaction he seems to have thought this impossible, but Jesus was sending several messages: that with God, nothing is impossible, and that the tolerance of disobedience is not eternal. God’s mercy toward sinners has an end point if they refuse to repent.

    Seventy times seven is 490 – the number of years that elapsed between Israel’s return to Canaan from Egypt and the Babylonian Captivity in which the temple was destroyed. God tolerated Israel’s disobedience for this amount of time (Israel’s refusal to honor the years of sabbaths and jubilees), which in human years seems like a long time. God is merciful and slow to anger, but He does act.

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