Sunday go to meeting BUN! A study in Ezekiel 38…

Sunday go to Meeting Bun


L. A. Marzulli

Rather than re-invent the wheel, I will post a section from my book, Politics, Prophecy & The Supernatural…. While some of you will disagree, with this and that is fine, this is the view that I hold to.

For those of you who have not read P.P.&S. I would suggest picking up a copy…. I’m posting a lengthy section fro the book here, in hope that it will clear up some misunderstangings regarding Israel.

The Current Political Climate and the Prophetic: A Study of Ezekiel 38-39 Ezekiel 38 and 39 Prophecy: An Overview

There are several points of view regarding WHEN the prophecy of Ezekiel 38 and 39 is to take place. There are some students

of prophecy who place it in conjunction with the Battle of Armageddon, which is discussed in the book of Revelation.

Others place this battle before Armageddon and the seven years of global upheaval prophesized in the book of Daniel, called the

Great Tribulation. For the purpose of this book, I am going to favor the exegesis (interpretation) of the latter point of view.

The Ezekiel 38-39 text is pregnant with meaning, so I am going to comment on certain verses that are applicable to the

scope of this book.

The Main Players: Ezekiel 38:1-3

. . . Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and

prophesy against him, And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief

prince of Meshech and Tubal. There is much discussion about this passage as to the

identity of Gog, in the land of Magog. Where is Magog? Some modern commentators, like Chuck Smith, Chuck Missler,

and Hal Lindsey agree that Magog is a name for the people who lived in the area north of the Caucasus and descended

from the ancient Scythians.1 This corresponds to the modern state of Russia. However there are also other interpretations

that place this area in what is now Turkey. It is important to note that later in the text verse 15 refers to “the north parts.”

If one looks at a map of Israel and goes north, one finds the modern nation of Turkey. North of that is the nation of Russia.

What is of interest is that Russia is presently sending arms to Iran.2 Iran, or Persia (as it was called until modern times), is

the second nation in the list of nations that goes up against a  land of “unwalled villages,” (Israel).

Ezekiel 38:5-6

Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet: Gomer, and all his bands; the house

of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: [and] many people with thee.

Another group of nations are listed here; Persia, as I mentioned, is the country of Iran. Ethiopia and Libya have the

same modern names as stated in the prophecy. Gomer is Eastern Germany and Poland, while Togarmah could correspond to

Turkey, Yugoslavia, and Romania—the Balkan states. What is interesting about this passage is that Iraq is not mentioned, nor

is Saudi Arabia nor Jordan. If we were to have discussed this several years ago, while Saddam Hussein were still in power,

most of us would have wondered why the nation of Iraq was not amongst those listed in the assault. Especially in light of the

Gulf War, in which Hussein launched scores of Scud missiles into Israel, so there was no mistaking his intentions of ill-will

towards Israel. Yet Iraq is not mentioned in the text. However, as I previously stated, Iran takes the second

“billing” on the list, Gog and Magog being first, and, of course, with all the recent saber rattling by Iranian President Mahmoud

Ahmadinejad, his malicious intentions toward the state of Israel have become apparent. For example, in his comments to Iran’s

Holocaust Conference on December 12, 2006, Ahmadinejad said, “Thanks to people’s wishes and God’s will, the trend for

the existence of the Zionist regime is downwards, and this is what God has promised and what all nations want . . . Just as

the Soviet Union was wiped out and today does not exist, so will the Zionist regime soon be wiped out.”3

A few decades ago, Iran was under the rule of Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi, the last Shah of Iran. He brought about a

measure of “Western” ideas to the country, which were overthrown by a religious coup in 1979. The Ayatollah Khomeini, exiled in

France for fourteen years, returned triumphantly and promptly created an Islamic state, returning the country to Sharia law

(fourteenth century Islamic jurisprudence). Thousands fled in fear of persecution and death at the hands of the radicals. A

quote taken from Oil & Islam by Farid A. Khavari bolsters the point I am trying to make: “Shortly after Khomeini came to

power, the Iranian people began to have their regrets. On the walls throughout the country appeared these words: Marg bar

mar, ke goftim mar bar shah! Which translates—Death to us, that we said ‘death to the Shah!’”4

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Presently, we have the Iranian government actively seeking nuclear power: a weapon.5 This has been the source of endless

talks in the anemic United Nations. Ahmadinejad has stated openly that he wishes to “wipe Israel off the map.”6 With venom

such as this, the Ezekiel prophecy is especially poignant at this juncture in history. Following is another one of Ahmadinejad’s

more recent comments:

(IHC News, 04 December 2006) In a meeting between Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Hamas-

led Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh, the Iranian leader reiterated that Israel’s days

are numbered. “This regime was established in order to force the policy of the United States and Britain on the states in

the region. It can’t even help the establishment of peace and security,” Ahmadinejad said from Tehran on Friday,

01 December 2006.7

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Ezekiel 38:8

After many days thou shalt be visited: in the [last] latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back

from the sword, and is gathered out of many people,  against the mountains of Israel, which have always been waste: but is brought forth out of the nations, and they

shall dwell safely all of them.

This verse is describing the return of the Jews to the ancient land of Israel. At the turn of the twentieth century, this part of the

prophecy would have seemed absurd. The idea that Israel would be gathered back into the land would have seemed farfetched.

Remember, the Jews had been scattered amongst the nations, in what is called the Diaspora, for almost 2000 years. The idea that

this conjunct group of people would somehow form a nation was certainly a remote one.  Note the mention in this verse of

“the mountains of Israel, which have always been waste.” The Turks denuded the country of trees, i.e. Israel.

“Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes . . . the spell of a curse that has withered its fields and fettered its energies . . . Palestine is

desolate and unlovely . . . It is a hopeless, dreary, heartbroken land,” from Mark Twain’s Innocents Abroad. 8

*               *               *


The following is an account of what Israel looked like at the turn of the nineteenth century:

The Jews returning to Israel at the end of the last century found a denuded country. The pine and oak forests of

Biblical times had been cut by successive conquerors and laid bare by centuries of uncontrolled grazing. The

final blow came in the 19th century when the ruling Ottoman Turks clear-cut whatever forest remained to

obtain timber for building the trans-Arabian railroad. They left the country more than 97 percent bare.

In the late nineteenth century Mark Twain, the famous American Author, journeyed through Israel and wrote in his

journal about what he saw. Here is an excerpt describing the land in 1867:

Stirring scenes . . . occur in the valley (Jezreel) no more. There is not a solitary village throughout its whole

extent—not for thirty miles in either direction. There are two or three small clusters of Bedouin tents, but not

a single permanent habitation. One may ride ten miles hereabouts and not see ten human beings.

. . . the sort of solitude to make one dreary . . . Come to Galilee for that . . . these unpeopled deserts, these

rusty mounds of barrenness, that never, never, never do shake the glare from their harsh outlines, and fade and

faint into vague perspective, that melancholy ruin of Capernaum: this stupid village of Tiberias, slumbering

under its six funeral palms. Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes . . . desolate and unlovey . . . it is dreamland.9

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Since Israel became a nation, it has planted one hundred eighty-five million trees; it also is the world’s third largest

exporter of fruit and vegetables. The once barren desert of Israel has truly bloomed.

In still discussing Ezekiel 38:8, the reference to “in the latter years” is of the utmost importance. I believe this mention of

“the latter years” is a direct reference to our time period because Israel for the first time in nearly two thousand years is “back” in

their homeland. Therefore, the time for this prophecy of Ezekiel 38 to be fulfilled is now. When the scripture says in the “latter

years” how else can one interpret this? I say this because this passage comes after chapter 37, which describes “dry bones”

(an analogy to Israel) as assembling together and then coming back to life. Since Israel has already been gathered back into

its original homeland, the prophecy of Ezekiel 37 has been fulfilled. The chapter immediately after, 38, describes an attack

on a land of unwalled villages. I cannot drive the following point home enough: since the prophecy of Israel being restored

as a nation has already been fulfilled, the next prophecy to be fulfilled is an attack on the land of unwalled villages (Israel),

and I believe it will happen in my lifetime.

Ezekiel 38:9-11

Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shall be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands,

and many people with thee. Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall

things come into thy mind, and thou shall think an evil thought: And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of

unwalled villages. (emphasis added) 


In this verse there is a statement that is completely unprecedented in the ancient world, that of a land of “unwalled

villages.” This was unheard of in antiquity. The first thing a tribe or group of people who wanted to build a city would do, in the

ancient world, would be to build the highest, strongest, thickest, wall they possibly could, to keep out invading armies. To try to

inhabit any land without doing this would have been suicidal. The fact that Ezekiel refers to precisely this aspect in the prophecy is

incredible. It was a way of life that did not exist until modern times. As a result, I believe this is another stone that we can mortar into

the formidable wall concerning the accuracy of biblical prophecy.

Ezekiel 38:11-13

I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither

bars nor gates, To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now

inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods,

that dwell in the midst of the land. [Now at the time of the invasion] Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants

of Tarshish, with all of the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou

gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, and to take away the cattle and the goods, and

a great spoil? (emphasis added)


Once again, “having neither bars nor gates” is an idea that was

foreign to the ancient world; however, it describes the modern world precisely. In the ancient world sieges were commonplace,

as was just discussed. For example, when Jerusalem was under siege in AD 70, it took the Romans five months to break

through the walls.10 Up until recent times—the latter part of the nineteenth century—using a wall as defense was the mode

of warfare. This type of warfare became obsolete in the Modern Age because of technical advances, specifically the airplane.

Ezekiel 38:14-15

Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog. Thus saith the Lord GOD; In that day when my people Israel

dwells safely, shalt thou not know it? And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts. (emphasis added)


This verse identifies where “Gog” is from, the far North. Directly north of Israel is Turkey, but Russia is the only country

that lies in the “far north.” I find it incredible that the Russian president Vladimir Putin sells arms to the Iranians. For example,

according to the online source MOSNEWS, in an article titled “Russia in a Hurry to Sell Weapons to Iran”:

“Russia is intensifying efforts to sell weapons to Iran while such sales remain legal amid mounting pressure on

the Islamic state over its controversial nuclear program,” the daily Kommersant said on Monday.

Moscow “has stepped up military-technological cooperation with Tehran,” the business daily said, citing

an unidentified source. It said top officials within Russia’s military-industrial

complex decided to concentrate on arms sales to Tehran for two reasons.

“Firstly, as many weapons as possible must be sold to Iran before an international embargo against this

country comes into force. “Secondly, should the United States decide to go to

war in Iran, Russia wants Iran to be well-armed to ensure that US forces become at least as bogged down there as

they already are in Iraq, the Daily said.11 The Russians have also made it clear that they will side

with the Iranians should the US impose sanctions in order to stop that country’s development of nuclear technology.12 Is the

stage being set for the nations mentioned in the Ezekiel 38-39 prophecy to line up with each other in a loose confederacy?

Ezekiel 38:15-16

And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them

riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army: And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a

cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days [it’s going to take place in the latter days], and I will bring

thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their

eyes.(emphasis added)


Once again the term “latter days” is used. When a passage of scripture repeats a phrase or an idea, it brings more significance;

thus, one should allow such repeated phrases or ideas greater importance. The prophet Ezekiel is driving home the idea that

the invasion of Israel will take place in “the latter days,” or at the end of days. There are some who also would argue that this

war has happened before. The main reason why this “battle” cannot be linked to an earlier time is that the nation of Israel

was not gathered back into the homeland until 1947! Thus, prior to 1947, there was no nation of Israel to invade.

Ezekiel 38:17-21

Thus saith the Lord GOD; Art thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel,

which prophesied in those days many years, that I would bring thee against them? And it shall come to pass at

the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come

up in my face. For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a

great shaking in the land of Israel; So that the fish of the sea, the fowls of the heaven, the beasts of the field, and

all of the creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake

at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, every wall shall

fall to the ground. And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord

GOD: every man’s sword shall be against his brother. 


Here we have the description of the battle. It is interesting to note several things. One is that there appears to be a great

earthquake. (Whether this alludes to Israel’s use of a thermonuclear device that brings about this earthquake is noteworthy.) The

other is the idea that those who comprise this confederacy of nations, turn on one another, thus, fulfilling the passage stated

above, “every man’s sword shall be against his brother.”

Ezekiel 38:22-23

And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and

upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. Thus

will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know

that I am the LORD.


These verses refer to what happens in the battle and could allude to a nuclear exchange—I believe descriptions like great

hailstones and fire and brimstone used in the text convey this idea-between Israel and the confederacy of nations that have

descended on her. One point to consider is that when this attack occurs, Israel will most likely respond with the only option it has

available, the use of its atomic arsenal. If Israel does not respond this way, the overwhelming number of forces against it would

overrun the nation and annihilate the populace. The Israeli response of using its nuclear armaments is the only option that

it will have when this scenario occurs. While Israel has never come right out and admitted their nuclear capabilities, there are

numerous articles hinting that they, in fact, have a nuclear arsenal that may have has many as four hundred bombs. An interesting

Google search is Samson Option. This will bring up sites that discuss the concept of Israel’s use of its atomic arsenal.13

130 thoughts on “Sunday go to meeting BUN! A study in Ezekiel 38…

  1. Hello Dear friends and Christians,

    This will be my last and final post on this subject as I can’t see as more needs to be presented. I will answer comments.

    What must be understood to start with the Prophecy is by the Jubilee Calendar a year for a day calendar and it would be helpful to understand that calendar.

    Da 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
    Da 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
    Da 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. (That would be the ones holding to the desolated Temple)

    Notice MESSIAH is brought to view in verse 25,26 and verse 27 then tells us HE SHALL CONFIRM THE COVENANT WITH MANY FOR ONE WEEK. Notice MANY is not all and then in the MIDDLE of that week of years He causes SACRIFICES AND THE OBLATIONS TO CEASE. Then the verse states, HE SHALL MAKE IT DESOLATE, note, EVEN TO THE CONSUMMATION.

    That is not hard to understand, King Jesus the Messiah dies on the cross that mid week yr. of the 70’th and causes blood sacrifices to end as He is the True Lamb it all pointed to and Then God leaves their temple desolate. Folks this came to pass exactly as prophesied and how can there be doubt.

    Here is some verses from the New Testament and Jesus’ words.

    Mt 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
    Mt 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

    When God vacates it and leaves it is Desolate and in leaving notice He tears the veil of the Temple from TOP to BOTTOM. A super beyond human accomplishment. This veil was thick and huge, I don’t remember the dimensions anymore but it was 2 or 4 feet thick and huge tall and wide.

    Mr 15:38 And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.
    Mr 15:39 And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.

    Notice even the Centurion saw He was the son of God.

    This is solid and cannot be moved so it does nullifie Eze 37: without a doubt.

    Their sacrifices and offerings are ceased and their house is left desolate, EVEN TO THE CONSUMMATION so why rebuild it as it is LEFT DESOLATE not to be inhabited by God to the end.

    Who only today is saying the following.

    Re 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

    I’m a Gentile myself and only a blood line Messianic Jew can rightly say the above.


    • Yes, Messiah was cut off and this is why the 70th week of Daniel was not fulfilled! When the temple is rebuilt what will you say? The A.C. will erect an image of himself to be worshipped. What will you say when you see these things before your eyes?

      Da 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

      This verse, in my opinion is future. It speaks of the A. C. is has not yet been fulfilled.

    • LA,

      For the life of me I can not see how you can deny that the seventieth week was fulfilled and time cannot be moved, those years were 27ad through 33ad and are past long ago. There is no sense in building a temple, for God will not dwell in man made temples of stone and mortar and other materials no more. He has given us a better way since the cross, He now dwells in us and we are the temple of the living God.

      1Co 3:16 ¶ Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
      1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

      Here that is again,

      Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
      Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

      I’m sure it isn’t His will any temple built by the hands of men for Him to dwell be built. If time would run on long enough man may do it but that is no guarantee He will smell in it.

      You see he MUST be worshipped in Spirit and in Truth, or He will NOT be present and the service isn’t church.

      Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

      Another thing, WE MUST BELIEVE who he really is, to Truly BELIEVE is the essense of the whole thing. He is the way and the only way.

      Certainly any can come to Him repent and be saved and those that still reject Him still can but time is fast running out. We reject Him and we die in our sins we will die the eternal death. We plot our own destiny and so do they. Today is the day of salvation and will they do it. I plead for them the same as He. –

      Eze 18:31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

      La I suppose you are settled on this subject and I must tell you that I am SOLIDLY settled on it. Except to answer some questionings and remarks I leave this to rest here on your site.


    • LA,

      I need to add that His own cut Him off as their Messiah but that was not of Him or for Him. He did continue on for the many that received him and died on the cross which proves the 70’th week was fulfilled. The time allotted to the Jews then ended after His disciples finished the ministry to them and then it went to the Gentiles AD 34. You believe He died on the cross for you I feel sure.

      That is a note I missed above.


    • Gibbs – we disagree. The Jews are his chosen people and we are grafted in…. they will look on Him whom they have pierced and mourn for Him as an only son. How then do you reconcile Jesus words that say, Jerusalem will be trampled over by GENTILES until the time of the gentiles is over? This took place in 1967…. It’s all coming to pass just like he said it would.

    • LA,

      Check these verses

      Lu 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
      Lu 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
      Lu 21:26 Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
      Lu 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

      The times of the Gentiles is fulfilled when this last age is finished. We are now seeing this come to pass and Jesus said these verses. This is many years down the road from 1967

      The Gentiles who have come to him are grafted in, yes and those who rejected Him must come and receive Him for who He truly his and be grafted in again as they have been cut off. The verses. –

      Ro 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
      Ro 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

      Ro 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

      Ro 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

      Yes they can be re-instated, I hope that many will, but no doubt but very few, we will see. Probably messianic Jews to an extent we can not know already are. We can know the Spirit of God wooes all men unless they have grieved Him away.

      There is terrible unrest in Israel now but is not of this issue and I see no shadow of turning yet by them to come to Him and they no doubt would need to have done so before the one comes personating Christ saying he is Christ doing great miracles in the eyes of men.. This will be the great overwheming deception that will take in all the world but the very elect and this is gettin close at the doors.

      Another troubling point is there is of those who make up todays Israel a percentage, and some say the greater part, who say they are Jews and are not.

      LA you and I are not the only ones wrestling with this we can be sure.


    • Of course the seventieth week has not happened yet. The whole 2000 year church age is the blip between 69 and 70. God has paused His dealings with Israel to be a light to the Gentiles to draw them into His fold while He provokes the Jews to jealousy. Then there is a measurable seven year span with an anti-Christ, a temple, and a covenant that is matched perfectly with the Great Tribulation in Revelation. During week 70, the Church Age is over, and God’s affections and might are focused on the Jews. We have the 144,000 Jewish super-evangelists, witnessing to the world, we have radical widespread Jewish repentance when they look upon Him whom they have pierced and mourn for Him as for an only son and a fountain of forgiveness is opened up in Israel.

      The Seventy Weeks are “determined” for the people of Daniel, they Jews. They are
      the centerpiece of God’s plan, and He will revisit them mightily in the last days, during the Great Tribulation, the 70th week.

      No other view is satisfying to me.

    • The Messianic Purpose

      Daniel 9:24

      * To finish the transgression Isaiah 53:5; Hebrews 10:12-14
      * To make an end of sins Hebrews 9:26
      * To make reconciliation for iniquity Rom. 5:10; Heb. 10:17
      * To bring in everlasting righteousness II Cor. 5:21
      * To seal up the vision and prophecy Matthew 5:17
      * To anoint the Most Holy Luke 4:18; Acts 10:38

      The prophecy concerning the time measure of the 70 weeks or 490 years is completely fulfilled and is a matter of Biblical historical record.

      Compare Daniel 9:27 with Isaiah 66:3. Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ fulfilled this prophecy. When you realize this, Daniel 9:24-27 gets even more glorious because it points to the ministry of our Lord (and not to some future anti-christ), the word of God in the flesh and what he accomplished for us. Here is a wonderful sermon of C.H. Spurgeon on the subject. Be blessed by it:


    • Gibbs, just because we await a time for the temple to be rebuilt doesn’t mean we have some desire to go worship there or believe that God desires such an abomination. We don’t. It just means prophecy is coming to past exactly like the alpha and omega said it would giving us confidence to hold firm in His covenant. I await the Assyrian to attack Israel too but that doesn’t mean i like it. Prophecy is what it is… Bread crumbs to follow. Prophecy does not define for us doctrines of faith or covenants. God reveals those thing in a much more intimate manner.

    • I also believe, and this maybe less popular to some, that the rebuilding of the temple and the return to sacrifices is intended to move the Jewish people away from God’s new covenant, which is faith in Jesus Christ. This synagogue will look holy but it will be a sinagogue.

    • Daniel’s 70th Week is Detailed Out in the Book of Revelation.

      The 21 Plagues on mankind occur during a 7 year time period, a Jewish Year being 360 days long.

      At the very end of this Great Tribulation, Jesus Christ returns with His saints to fight the very last battle, Located At: Armageddon.

  2. good bun, L.A.!

    Personally, Gibbs, I believe that the Lord’s word is never nullified….maybe seems so at times (and I have dug through plenty) but always ends up correct. He is Truth! We see through a glass darkly….and again, Jesus had just said that his body is the temple and the ripped veil was a tear in the space/time continuum…..the physical veil in the bricks and blocks temple was a “visual aid”

    • Elaine,

      It nulifies what men think that it means as it is clear, DESOLATE TO THE CONSUMMATION. The veil separated God from the view of men and when He left the veil was no longer needed and indicated this as He tore it from top to bottom and left it and it is desolated of His presence.

      1Co 3:16 ¶ Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
      1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

      He will now dwell in those who invite Him in.

      Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
      Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

      He made a better way since the cross.

      His Blessings to you Elaine.


    • Ahhh, but Gibbs! If, as you said,

      “When God vacates it and leaves it is Desolate and in leaving notice He tears the veil of the Temple from TOP to BOTTOM. A super beyond human accomplishment. This veil was thick and huge, I don’t remember the dimensions anymore but it was 2 or 4 feet thick and huge tall and wide.”

      means a literal veil in a literal temple as a visual aid for us mere mortals then why, oh, why will there not be literal new temple for the same reason?
      Could it be that you and L.A. are both correct in some of this?

      How many angels can dance on the head of this pin that my old eyes can barely see through this glass darkly?

      His Blessings to you, as well!

  3. Nice overview of some very important scripture. Thanks LA. I wouldn’t be surprised if Russia funnels arms through Turkey to Syria and Lebanon.

    Also, we know that there will be some “alien” craft (whether legitimate or artificial) that will some how play a piece to the overall puzzle. So a possibility to Israel using nuclear weapons

  4. Hello Jesus peeps,

    Well I have to say I have a lot of homework to do! A little confused. Will need help from the good HS! Thanks for that much needed bun LA, “with icing on top”. Gibb, I will definitely muse on your words. This blog is such a helpful bible class!

    The Cypress Tree

  5. Went to see Apollo 18 last night. In documentary form they are trying to make us believe that this now declassified mission discovered alien, deadly life on the moon. And to boot that over 800 pounds of deadly alien rock is scattered around the earth from other missions. I always knew DC elite had rocks in their head!

    Alien deception grinds forward.

    The Cypress Tree

    P.S. Somebody please make a decent movie like “Gone with the wind” or such!

    • yeah, or “Cry The Beloved Country” with Richard Harris and my city’s home town hero, James Earl Jones!…..then a good comedy like “Quakser Fortune Has a Cousin in the Bronx!”

    • YES ! I love the Sound of Music–must buy! I want to build a wholesome video library. Don’t know those Elaine. Any other suggestions?

      The Cypress Tree

    • Ya made me chuckle LNL! John Wayne is fine but for me personally, the beloved “Sound of Music” just sets my teeth on edge…..Too much of a good thing way back in my theater days I guess…….That and “Oklahoma”…..just too many soundtracks played and too many rehearsals heard while I was doing the props or painting scenery?

      and for Cypress…..Spencer Tracy in “The Old Man and The Sea” and Henry Fonda in “The Grapes of Wrath”

      and what ever happened to the old old TV series “I Remember Mama” ….I think the actress was Spring Bington?
      I’d love to see them again….some of my first viewing memories in the 50s!

      Okay, sorry L.A…..back to topic!

    • ‘Singing in the Rain’ (I have) and ‘Gigi’ (must get), with Leslie Caron and Maurice Chevalier. You know Elaine, I love ‘Heidi’, with Shirley Temple–big kid I am. The scenes with her and her grandfather at the start are precious. I do have some Spencer Tracey and Bette Davis. They just don’t entertain us like this anymore. It’s all murder, evil, vampires, robots, aliens, sex…’s so disgusting. I could hardly stand staying through the trailers at the theatre last night.

      Our world is sooooo broken. Everyone I know is endoctrinated–they think me too straight. Like Russ D. calls it…zombification is in progress. ‘Cool’ is associated with ‘dark’. I am different ‘cool’.

      My Lord! how will we survive long in this world as our souls get closer to God. We will be like misfits. “I send you out among wolves”. Indeed.

      Truth be known…I hardly like leaving the house. Too much makes me cringe out there.

      The Cypress Tree

    • The Last SIn Eater

      Take a look at this one from the book by Francine Rivers, brought to the screen by Michael Landon Jr.

      All that matters for Cadi Forbes is finding the one man who can set her free from the sin that plagues her, the sin that has stolen her mother’s love from her and made her wish she could flee life and its terrible injustice. But Cadi doesn’t know that the “sin eater” is seeking as well. Before their journeys are over, Cadi and the sin eater must face themselves, each other, and the One who will demand everything from them in exchange for the answers they seek. A captivating tale of suffering, seeking, and redemption.

      Great film done very closely to the book.

    • Have to admit i’ve been excited about the concept of this movie since I read about it a few months back… However, I also have to admit that, given it’s release date, I was a bit worried that it would wind up being a stinker…
      The previews made ‘Apollo 18’ seem as if it had some real promise. Secret mission to the moon, massive government cover-up, something unknown lurking on our nearest neighbor. I thought this would be a sure-fire good time movie to watch on a Friday night.. what I got was a terrible special effects, wooden acting, uninspired characters, in short, Apollo 18 is nothing short of a travesty of the highest order.
      This movie turned out to a bad 80 minute mix of ‘John Carpenter’s films. The characters are so dull and unlikable, you won’t care what happens to them. Just showing a video of one of them at the start with a family doesn’t make you care about them. There is a sequence near the end of the film which is so bad it could be replicated using Microsoft Powerpoint.
      If you like shaky camera flims, like “Blair Witch”, “Paranormal Activity”. then this is for you. I guess what film industry doesn’t seem to understand is you can make a believable mockumentary without making it appear like a 6 year old did the filming.
      As far as the aliens go, they are not very threatening or enthralling. . you’re going to have to assume what these creatures actually look like, because you never get that FULL establishing shot of what they actually look like. You either get a quick 1/2 second glance, or the film is so damaged that you can’t make out what’s on screen. Bottom Line……i appreciate the movie for it’s different style of filmaking. But the overall plot had more holes than the moon has craters.

  6. Glynda put this out this am:

    “Tell My people to position themselves for battle. Them them to get ready to fight the enemy of their souls like never before. To fight for purity in their hearts, that I may exalt them higher and use them in a greater way.

    Tell them to purify their lives of the idols they place before My holy name.

    I will not look the other way as you worship other gods, My children. Did I not say you shall have no other gods before Me? And so it must be.

    For I am a jealous god. I love you exceedingly. I must be first in your hearts and minds.

    Exodus 20:3: Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

    Prov. 20:9: Who can say, I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin?

    Psalm 51:!0: Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.

    Exodus 34:14: For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:”

    The Cypress Tree

    • Lately our Pastor has been stressing that everyone ditch all the distractions we get caught up in & get right w/the Lord as #1 in our lives.

      He’s been listing specific “distractions” which has been great since when you are in the midst of one sometimes it’s hard to see the forest through the trees unless it’s pointed out.

    • I like Glynda Lisa. Until my spirit tells me hers is off, her material is harmless and word right. But I thank you for your caution.

      The Cypress Tree

    • Actually what I mentioned is a confirmation not a caution. (: She mentions “idols” which to Americans can be termed “distrations”.

    • Thanks for posting that. It is a confirmation. I have been listening to her and I bear witness to what she says. It’s not namby-pamby fluff, that’s for sure. It’s the call to discipleship.

      Woe is me, I am an idolater. Daily I choose the comfort of food over seeking His face and His healing. God help me. I want to worship Him alone.

  7. I agree with you LA, I only disagree on the 70th week of Daniel.

    Isaiah 66:8
    Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

    The scriptures are clear that the nation Israel today is God`s work. I read about men who saw this happening a hundred years ago, they were laughed to scorn but when Israel was in the land again the scoffers were silent and ashamed. However I don`t believe that all Israel will be saved as in the whole nation Israel. For example they had a gay parade this year like almost every other nation. There are many abominations in the land of Israel today. I believe that when Paul speaks that all Israel will be saved, he means all those who are the elect, called of God and faithful to Him, Jews who will become believers in Jesus Christ when He comes back. God will preserve even a remnant of heathen nations (unbelievers) to repopulate the earth again and Christ will reign on the earth for a thousand years. And so Philippians 2:10-11 will be fulfilled. There probably will be a second Exodus type event when they will flee to the mountains if the 1/3 mentioned in Zechariah is still future prophecy.

    Exodus 19:4

    4Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles’ wings, and brought you unto myself.

    Revelation 12:14

    14And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

    Matthew 23:39

    39For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

    The adversary (satan) wants to destroy the Jews because of this prophecy to prevent them for calling Yahshua the Messiah back. That is my belief. How will this come about? As Paul says in Romans 11:29 and as Zechariah says in Zechariah 12:8. Jesus Christ made that possible because of what He did described in Daniel 9:24-27.

    Daniels 70th week was consecutive (why is there no “pause” between the 7 and 62 weeks if it is between 69 and 70?) and Jesus Christ fulfilled it. There is a thing called a counter-reformation out there, which still operates today and Jesuit futurism which is not the kind of futurism that the early church fathers had in 1st -3rd century. When the reformation happened and the light of God`s word shined once again, the reformers adhered to historicist view because much of what was future when the early church fathers lived, was fulfilled and history in the time of the reforrmers. But both groups agree that Jesus Christ fulfilled the 70th week (there are rare exceptions like Ireneus and Hipolitus if I remember correctly but they also set a date back then like Harold Camping and guess what, it didn`t come to pass. So I read.). The church today has largely taken the bate of Jesuit futurism (Dallas theological seminary,…).

    Acts 17 and other passages describes that the temple of God is not made with man`s hands, so how can the temple of God in 2 Thessalonians be a building? It is the human body to my belief. The church (born again believers) are the temple of God and the pope for example is one of the antichrists who makes himself God in this temple (I believe the catholic church is the church of Thyatira in the book of Revelation). Rome is also behind plans to build the 3rd temple out of stone in Jerusalem to dupe those who will fall away thinking they worship the real Messiah (I am not sure if God will allow the literal temple of stone to be built though). So in my opinion the Wicked one will be in the temple of “living stones”, if there will be a temple built of stone it will be there for those who don`t understand Acts 17 and other passages, like catholics for example. The enemy copies God and wants his own temple.

    Isaiah 66:3 is clear why Jesus Christ caused the sacrifice and the oblation to cease in Daniel 9:27:

    3He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog’s neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine’s blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

    4I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

    5Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name’s sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.

    One thing is for sure we only know in part, but love rejoices in truth and we must seek it and contend earnestly for the faith that was once delivered unto the saints. The reformers brought this to light once again (with the help of those who walked before them – the Valdenses, the Albigenses,…all the way back to the 1st century believers). When the Holy One of Israel comes back he will correct us all if we erred in the spirit concerning doctrine and we will know all things.

    Isaiah 29:24

    24They also that erred in spirit shall come to understanding, and they that murmured shall learn doctrine.

    Jesus Christ bless you all, brothers and sisters

    • And when I say that Israel is prophecy fulfilled, God`s work, it can come about also as Hopeful watcher said yesterday, through wicked men, but God determines the outcome.

    • Bozz,

      For sure the prophecy did not fail,

      Hab 2:3 For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.

      Nor did it lie. All here believe He died on the cross but can’t seem to see exactly as prophesied. Yes it came and did not tarry and the time is long past now but is as valid for us as all up to that time, once and for all, FOR all.

    • I was thinking about this the other day. What does “All of Israel will be saved?” refer to?

      It doesn’t make sense in that EVERY Jew in Israel will accept Yeshua as the Messiah. But it does make sense that God has preserved a remnant from “every tribe” of Israel.

      (Kind of like God spared Noah & his family to repopulate the earth. God reserves a remnant from every tribe to repopulate in the Kingdom era.) The Tribe of Dan is excluded in the list in Revelation so …..?

    • Romans 2
      28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

      2 Corinthians 5
      17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

      Galatians 6
      14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
      15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
      16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

      Colossians 3
      9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; 10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: 11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

      Ephesians 2
      11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
      13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. 14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
      15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. 18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
      19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

    • So much homework! You guys are killing me!

      The Cypress Tree

      PS. Listening to Russ D. as I clean up–good guy.

  8. Forgive me if I am wrong, but I haven’t seen LA once say that a 3rd temple will be a good thing. I believe it will be built as a fulfillment of prophesy and nothing more. I also have never seen him say that Israel can come to salvation apart from Jesus. They have not yet recognized their Messiah and for that many will pay an eternal price. Yes, they have elements of evil in their nation as all of them do but I have seen too many people claim that the Zionists are responsible for all the worlds ills. This theology has entered into the church and I believe it is dangerous.

    • Are you saying you are hearing that zionists are all the world’s problems from this blog or outside this blog? It is a rare occassion anyone says that here on this blog (and I don’t think ever from our regular contributors). I don’t think its unfair to say that prophecy fulfilled doesn’t necessarily mean the event is righteous in God’s eyes. Prophecy fulfilled means we witness the alpha and omega at work and we can have faith in His covenants with us. God is forever talking about how the Israelites and Jews, to be clear everyone of us, fall short of the glory of the Lord and through grace is calling us back to him. My conscious is clear as to the specific path anyone reaches salvation, just as long as they hear God’s call and repent. I found God in the darkest most sinful time in my life. I hope no one would question the authenticity of this calling just because I was doing evil in the eyes of the Lord. As an aside, has anyone heard that ‘The Son of Sam’ serial killer has turned his life to Christ. I thought that was an awesome blessing and I cheered it. Would any of us not accept his testimony and give him a hug or would we fear him if he was sitting across from us? Was saul turn to Paul any less of a marvelous convertion? All this to say we can experience the glory of God even in dark circumstances if we trust that God is powerful and just.

    • Right! No one is without sin and there are things we are taught to watch for……like the bowls and trumpets judgments…..non of us are praying for those to happen but we are watching and thrilled at His coming….the rest of these things are signposts

    • But your belief probably stems from Jesuit futurism that`s the point. Give me scripture other then Daniel 9:27 and 2 Thessalonians that speaks about the 3rd temple being rebuilt. If Jesus Christ destroyed the 2nd temple as a fulfillment of prophecy because it was an abomination in His eyes, why would he allow a 3rd one to be built?

    • First off I’ve never studied the Jesuit futurism, so that’s off base. Second, you can’t discount any of scripture. That’s the point. The Nephilim are only mentioned twice but if we leave it out then what….? If you were alive 100 years ago and I told you Israel was going to be formed in a day, you would most likely tell me that it was never going to happen… now on this side of it I’m saying that the Temple will be rebuilt. It has to be rebuilt for the A.C. to set himself up god in it. What will you then say when these things begin to come to pass….?

    • If god destroyed the world with the flood, why would he allow another incurrsion
      afterwords. I don’t even pretend to know how God’s mind works.
      Hopeful Watcher, in answer to your question, no I am not accusing anyone of being
      anti semite here, at least the regulars. Apparently there were some posters who attacked LA for his position on Israel and I don’t condone that at all. However there are many who use this same info and believe that the world will be a better place when Israel no longer exists. Replacement theology is growing within the church and this is what is dangerous. I asked a question yesterday and nobody responded. How can people be so sure that the father of lies did not revise some of this history to get the world to turn against Israel. I believe that there are all kinds of lies and half truths polluting our American history books. I grew up believing that FDR was one of our greatest presidents until I did a little research.
      I believe that a 3rd temple will be built. Can I be absolutely certain? No. Other than it being a fulfillment of prophesy, it is not needed because Christ already was the only sacrifice needed. The Jews will know it one day. If there is no physical temple, what sanctuary will the AC enter and claim his godship.

    • I agree with you on Israel LA, I have stated so above in my lengthy post at #9 (Isaiah 66:8). The early church fathers and the reformers believed that Jesus Christ fulfilled Daniel 9:24-27 with his death and resurrection in the 70th week. And that`s what I believe also.

      I know that Rome wants the 3rd temple to be built in Israel, that`s for sure. It`s the goal of freemasonry. So whatever things come to pass, it will be evident soon.

      However the temple of God is the human body, the peoples of the 7 churches of the book of Revelation. Acts 17:24. So when 2 Thessalonians 2 mention the temple of God, does that mean a temple made with human hands or a temple of living stones? I believe the latter, even if the 3rd temple will be built that doesn`t change anything. For example the building in Vatican is not the temple of God but the people (catholics) are, the church of Thyatira, they just don`t know it because they don`t read the bible and erroneously believe that God dwells in their buildings.

    • Clang, the human body sanctuary among many other human bodies who will reject the Lord that bought them and fall away.

    • You have one example in Glen Beck with his visit to Israel, deceiving Christians and I heard Oprah is also going to Jerusalem, spreading her new age gospel. They are preparing the ground for the deception.

    • Since I believe that scripture clearly points to a pretrib rapture(and with all the fires that broke out today in the Austin,Tx area today 10 miles form where I live, I’m glad His return is so very near) I won’t have to worry about seeing the Antichrist in the rebuilt temple. Thank you Jesus for my blessed hope, the world has gone nuts and I can’t afford to stock up on more batteries,food and ammo. I do believe in the pretrib rapture but I’m still preparing for the worst before that event takes place.

      1Thess 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.

    • That’ right Clang. The third temple is for the Jews, and they will be allowed to build it as they will cut a deal with the A.C. THis is found in Revelation? The bottom line is that is the only system they know, the Levitical system and while I agree that as Christians our sacrifice was Yashua/Jesus, they don’t have that…. this is what the 70th week of Daniel is about.

    • LA,

      What may happen and likely will they will receive THE anti-christ and it won’t be AN A.C. but Satan as their expected god come as they have expected. It is fine if they build another temple but to what avail? Yah dwells in the hearts of men since the crucifiction and are the temple of God. They need to come to Jesus now and not be a waiting no longer.

    • Agreed.T

      The folly of the Jewish leaders at the time of Christ was that they did not discern prophecy rightly and I would caution that we shall not fall into the same folly.

      Just was looking at something hubby recorded from Jack Van Impe and it really touched on this topic. See: first part of the broadcast.

      As a reminder to all of us, the hermeneutic that you use to interpret scripture needs to be consistent throughout old and new testament or it is not helpful. See Dr. Walter R. Martin teaching biblical hermeneutics at the Veritas blog

    • Hi Clang,

      I would just point out Great Babylon takes in so much of the world today and He, Jesus calls for His people to come out of her. That involves a great investigation on our part and the need of His Spirit in us to come and see the truth out from the rubbish that about all presentations is loaded with these days.

      Mt 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
      Mt 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

      Mr 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

      Test all things against His Word. Trust no man. That includes preachers since many are off the way our Lord has made. He alone is our safe way.


    • Gibbs, there is no disputing the scriptures that you listed. I am not a theologian and there are many who have studied the Bible in much more depth than I have. I have been wrong before and I will be wrong again, I’m sure.
      Let’s face it. Our salvation does not depend on who is right or wrong on this subject.
      I know the Word tells us to bless Israel and pray for them and I will continue to do that
      unless God Himself tells me otherwise. If that makes me part of Babylon, then I am in a lot of trouble.

    • Clang, I too pray for Israel and the peace of Jerusalem, because it is in my heart and the Bible asks me to do so. I thank God for the Jewish people and nation who brought for God’s truth through the early prophets and brought forth the true and everlasting Word of God.

    • Clang, you are on a roll. Sure Israel deveats from the righteous path often, but this most likely a factor that Satan focuses so much effort on them to persecute them and steer them away. They are a good but afflicted people, just like all of us, and we shall pray hard for them. I bet if we could ask Jesus what His heritage is He would say Jewish. We shall pray not for the prophecies to come true, for these reflect the actions of the righteous and Satan alike, but we shall pray that she comes through the trial and return to God through faith in Jesus.

    • That was just scripture and it isn’t harsh but an admonition,

      Re 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

    • Hi,
      Just curious. When Daniel 9:27 says And on a wing [of the temple] he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured…could this mean that the temple cant/wont be built, but that satan can cause worship of himself on the wing/corner of the temple. Maybe the remains of the temple the western wall will be become a giant t.v. screen? I know that sounds far fetched…just asking. B/c like Gibbs I agree with some of his words. We worship KING YESHUA in spirit and in truth. And I also wonder, if this visual wing of an earthly temple is a spiritual representation of our spiritual/heart temple in that we cannot even allow satan to have even a corner in our hearts. All abominations that cause desolation (pride, unforgiveness, Prov 6) must go! I would enjoy hearing others views!

    • Dee! I have thought the same sort of thoughts while reading Revelation. I am always trying to put myself back 2000 years and then trying to explain what our time is like….YIKES! I think all of the writers of the Bible did an amazing job considering…..and since Revelation says they will be marrying and giving in marriage and the rich men are still rich….ya da ya da on and on…..that the lost are going to think it is biz as usual right up til the day!
      Now, picture John being shown one of those giant screens! Maybe when he is trying to describe images and people rushing to and fro he was actually shown it on one of those giant screens…..picture Babylon and maybe a newscaster on a live feed in Times Square saying something like “Tom Brokaw here with a report from the middle east, Damascus has been made a ruinous heap.” or “a radioactive asteroid the size of Mt Everest has fallen in the Pacific ocean causing global chaos, tidal waves and earthquakes……”

      jiggle, jiggle, crash and the screen falls to shards among the crumbling sky scrapers……hmmmm,……

    • Thanks brothers and sisters. I really do love it here and even when there is debate and disagreement, the love for one another is a testimony to each of you and your love for our King. One day, when we get to heaven, I can see each and everyone of us saying, “Wow, I got that one wrong”on one subject or another. It is my pride that makes me want to be right. I’ll be glad to get rid of that emotion once and for all.

    • Clang….you have a gift of communication! And when we get there you all are invited to garden with Cypress Tree and me!

    • I’ll tell you one thing Elaine. It will be a great day when I can labor in the service of the King without all these sore bones and joints.
      By the way, I don’t know if you ever saw my response after Irene, but the Lord brought my wife and I as well as our home through unscathed. A few branches from the giant trees came down and a few small puddles in the basement was the extent of it. We never even lost our electric so we were truly blessed. An earthquake and a hurricane in one week was quite an eye opener.

    • Clang, same here. I am eastern shore Maryland. They evacuated are area and me and my family went stayed with my folks. Seems like everyone I know lost power and had tree damage and our community never lost power or flooded. Should of stayed home 🙂

    • Hopeful watcher, I am in total agreement with your above post. One day, I believe in my heart that Israel will know their King and there will be a celebration in Heaven like we have never seen. I am also glad that you came through the hurricane ok, not to mention an earthquake the same week.
      There is truly power in prayer and quite a few were praying for our safety.

    • just tried to post this but had a window pop up telling me something had been resolved and to close my browser! Don’t know if it will post….if this is a duplicate….sorry, I copied before I closed down:
      Yeah, Clang! It is the poor old knees and backs that Cypress and I are looking forward to having made new so we can get down in the dirt again! I wonder if there will be grubs in that heavenly soil? Or since I will be made new will I like them? LOL

      And, so glad you and yours and Hopeful and others are safe from the storm (in so many ways!) I want you to know again that I never took the storm lightly. Living on the shore of Lake Michigan, I know how dangerous storms can be! But again, it was wise to take shelter and even evacuate but the media trying to make it seems even worse than it was and keep people afraid is still despicable!

      A couple of years ago we had a humongous storm with hours of dangerous lightening and winds. Trees down all over town and even the highway joining us to the next town completely washed away. I remember that I was in my living room and the weather man came on and said, “people in southern Manistee county and northern mason, take shelter immediately…..” and the power went out.
      I looked up and said aloud, “Oh. Lord, You are my shelter” and played a game of scrabble on my laptop til the battery got low. The lightening was so constant that I could see just fine to go to my bed. Prayed for the safety of everyone in the storm’s path. Slept like a baby, safe in His arms. I guess that I am so sick of this world that I will go to the basement if I see the funnel cloud coming and I have tried to put some water and canned goods back but if I am meant to be killed in my sleep and be rescued out of here early…..ahh, well! My preps are mainly to try to get to or shelter my near and dear who are just not listening to the warnings as much as I’d like! I want to be able to hear them say, Oh, it is Truth! and end up with us in that garden!

      In the morning the town was a shambles of downed and uprooted trees and broken limbs, whole streets blocked for blocks and cars crushed but I believe since we are a very heavily Christian city that all of the prayers here are the reason that there was not a single injury! There are almost 7000 of us!
      I am so glad that we did not have a huge advance media blitz causing so much fear that people made panic decisions and no one had the mental anguish that the TV fear mongers inflicted on you during Irene!

  9. READ Ezekiel 35, as it describes the coming battle between Israel and the enemies ON HER BORDER.

    They are NOT LISTED in Ezekiel 38-39 ….. ?


    The RESTRAINER will be removed,
    “THEN shall that wicked BE REVEALED.”

    First the nuclear war … Damascus GONE
    Egypt uninhabitable for 40 years

    REDEMPTION COMES for believers
    DECEPTION comes on the unbelievers

    The space brothers will come, with lying signs and wonders
    The most impressive DECEPTION OF his career,

    The covenant CONFIRMED for 7 years

    Sept 19th … Israeli’s go to Temple Mount
    20th … UN-Israel votes on Fakestine
    29th … Fall Feast’s of Israel begins
    … Elenin
    ? …. Virgo, Draco, etc… line up

    This COULD BE IT …. Praise THE LORD !

    • Wow! Robert. I’ll bet you are a tidy listmaker. Nothing like an easy read. Thanks for cheat sheet!

      The Cypress Tree

    • I trust we all agree here.
      This month of September 2011, we need to be supportive, patient, kind, loving, exhorting, gentle to one another.
      We, Christ’s little children here, may need each other more than we can imagine.

      Let’s all pray for our brothers and sisters in Christ here. I pledge this now. And I send you all much love and blessings early.
      We will one day meet in our white robes and chuckle at our appearances…whenever that may be.
      I will be the tall girl with long brown hair–I am not a cypress tree LOL.
      And… I will be standing next to Jesus who will surely make sure we all meet.
      I cannot wait to meet Him and our Father God.
      We have heard of the joy we will experience and the love we will feel.
      It is beyond earthly description.

      And we must take as many with us as possible!

      The Cypress Tree

    • I will be the one with footed blanket jammies under the white robe!

      and your opening line: “I trust we all agree here.
      This month of September 2011, we need to be supportive, patient, kind, loving, exhorting, gentle to one another.
      We, Christ’s little children here, may need each other more than we can imagine.”

      needs a huge AMEN!

    • LOL Elaine you are medicine for everyone here!

      The Cypress Tree

      P.S. and I’ll be wearing short white socks!

    • Good point Bozz. I agree that this is a future event. John B, that was some really good information that I had never even considered. Could it be that this prophetic Scripture has a two fold fulfillment as I believe some other prophesies do.

    • Aww, you ruined the surprise, Cypress Tree. I was hoping you were one of Tolkien’s ents. LOL I’ll be the one wearing Timberland boots and the tool belt just in case our mansions need some remodeling done every million years or so.

    • Elaine, Cypress T.

      For a little humor, I know all will have a white robe but where did you get the socks? Just wondering.

      We are sure He will provide our need no question.

      His Blesskings.

    • Thanks Nome, listened to the whole broadcast. Very good. Learned much.

      EVERYONE, I cannot help wonder why we belabor again and again, “what, when, how” the end is going to happen. We talk about this so much. None of us can change any of it. We are ready. We simply need to keep ourselves ready.

      What would Jesus have us do–right now?

      What did Jesus do before He went to His father? He taught us how to behave toward one another, chief among His 3 years of ministry. He is also taught us about our real Father. He taught us how to have great faith and the powers vested in us through Him.

      WWJHUD “What would Jesus have us do?” RIGHT NOW

      I am tired of looking into Satan’s upcoming works. He can’t touch me.

      I want to move on to the Lord’s works and His Kingdom. I am bone-tired of giving satan any more lip service.

      I don’t exalt myself by saying this. Just want to share my heart.

      I can hardly enjoy anything of this earth anymore. My purpose is superficial.
      I do my earthly work superficially, appearing invested in it.
      But ultimately it serves satan’s machine as does all our labor.
      I see my family and friends suckered into his trap.

      I breathe. I awake. I am not sure why. I run around in circles knowing it is all futile.
      I am in the proverbial waiting room.
      We are all on a pier waiting for the Ship to come in while the tide rises above our ankles.

      If only we could all be together in one physical place it would make waiting on the edge of the tides bearable.
      But many of us are isolated.
      LA is blessed to have Peggy; but he has friends who think he is coocoo.
      Ditto on the coocoo for me.
      Blessed are you who have a truly Christian partner.

      Now that I am free of responsibility, I finally started dating a man who told me he was Christian and then began to convince me that “the connubial act” is “natural”, and God help me, that “we are energy”… Needless to say I have scratched this chance at companionship. This is largely how people think today. I may be destined to be lonely until the Lord takes me up.
      If only Jesus could show up and give me a physical hug, it will go a long way to helping me wait.

      I wait on the pier, surrounded yet lonely. Never mind Damascus. Waiting around in this near-hell is a killer.
      I know God does not want me to be unequally yoked. I obey.
      I feel the loneliness of Jonah.

      The Cypress Tree

      PS. Diggs, the socks will come off I am sure. The serpent caused us to require robes.

    • Cypress, I have been having similar thoughts lately as well about what does all this debate matter when we all know the ultimate truth that supersedes all else is that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life.

      That said, you touched on one thing when you wrote, “I see my family and friends suckered into his trap.”

      Jude 1:23 22 Be merciful to those who doubt; 23 save others by snatching them from the fire; to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.

      Hence, as we wait with frustration in this lost and disgusting world, we still have a very important job to do until he calls us. We have to love until it hurts.

  10. Thank you LA for explaining all of this. I have been taught this in the Messianic synagogues for years and it is what I and most Messianic Jews believe and have been taught. One day we will all know for sure – and then won’t care because we will all be with Him Praise God!!! So enjoyed reading all the comments by my brothers and sisters in Yashua and makes me want to study more.

  11. LA and all; some food for thought on the Ezekiel prophecy. By Grant Jeffries

    let it be taken into consideration that the Vision given to Ezekiel was prior to the return from the babylonian Exile.

    Ezekiel describes the attack of Gog, Prince of Magog, and his confederates attack God’s people, who are pictured dwelling at peace in the land. God’s people will completely defeat them, however, and the spoils will be immense. The result is that all nations will see the victory, and “the house of Israel will know that I am the Lord their God from that day onward” (Ezek. 39:21–23)

    Question is there a historical event in the bible that can show that the prophecy if fulfilled!!

    The events of Esther took place during the reign of Darius, after the initial rebuilding of the Temple under Joshua [the High Priest] and Zerubbabel and shortly before rebuilding of the walls by Nehemiah. . . . Thus, the interpretive hypothesis I am suggesting (until someone shoots it down) is this: Ezekiel 34–37 describes the first return of the exiles under Zerubbabel, and implies the initial rebuilding of the physical Temple. Ezekiel 38–39 describes the attack of Gog (Haman) and his confederates against the Jews. Finally, Ezekiel 40–48 describes in figurative language the situation as a result of the work of Nehemiah.[2]

    Ezekiel 38:5–6 tells us that Israel’s enemies come from “Persia, Cush, and . . . from the remote parts of the north,” all within the boundaries of the Persian Empire of Esther’s day. From Esther we learn that the Persian Empire “extended from India to Cush, 127 provinces” in all (Esther 8:9). Ethiopia (Cush) and Persia are listed in Esther 1:1 and 3 and are also found in Ezekiel 38:5. The other nations were in the geographical boundaries “from India to Ethiopia” in the “127 provinces” over which Ahasueras ruled (Esther 1:1). “In other words, the explicit idea that the Jews were attacked by people from all the provinces of Persia is in both passages,”[3] and the nations listed by Ezekiel were part of the Persian empire of the prophet’s day. The parallels are unmistakable. Even Ezekiel’s statement that the fulfillment of the prophecy takes place in a time when there are “unwalled villages” (Ezek. 38:11) is not an indication of a distant future fulfillment as Grant Jeffrey attempts to argue:

    It is interesting to note that during the lifetime of Ezekiel and up until 1900, virtually all of the villages and cities in the Middle East had walls for defense. Ezekiel had never seen a village or city without defensive walls. Yet, in our day, Israel is a “land of unwalled villages” for the simple reason that modern techniques of warfare (bombs and missiles) make city walls irrelevant for defense. This is one more indication that his prophecy refers to our modern generation.

    * * * * *

    Ezekiel’s reference to “dwell safely” and “without walls . . . neither bars nor gates” refers precisely to Israel’s current military situation, where she is dwelling safely because of her strong armed defense and where her cities and villages have no walls or defensive bars. The prophet had never seen a city without walls, so he was astonished when he saw, in a vision, Israel dwelling in the future without walls. Ezekiel lived in a time when every city in the world used huge walls for military defense. [4]

    In Esther we learn that there were Jews who were living peacefully in “unwalled towns” (KJV) (9:19) when Haman conspired against them. Israel’s antagonists in Ezekiel are said to “go up against the land of unwalled villages” (Ezek. 38:11). The Hebrew word perazah is used in Esther 9:19 and Ezekiel 38:11.[5] This fits the conditions of Esther’s day. Jeffrey is mistaken in his assertion that “Ezekiel had never seen a village or city without defensive walls.” They seemed to be quite common outside the main cities. Moreover, his contention that Israel is currently “dwelling safely because of her strong armed defense” is patently untrue. Since 2006, the Israeli government has built more than 435 miles of walls in Israel.[6]

    The chief antagonist of the Jews in Esther is Haman, “the son of Hammedatha the Agagite” (Esther 3:1, 10; 8:3, 5; 9:24).[7] An Agagite is a descendant of Amalek, one of the persistent enemies of the people of God. In Numbers 24:20 we read, “Amalek was the first of the nations, but his end shall be destruction.” The phrase “first of the nations” takes us back to the early chapters of Genesis where we find “Gomer,” “Magog,” “Tubal,” and “Meshech,” and their father Japheth (Gen. 10:2), the main antagonist nations that figure prominently in Ezekiel 38 and 39. Amalek was probably a descendant of Japheth (Gen. 10:2). Haman and his ten sons are the last Amalekites who appear in the Bible. In Numbers 24:7, the Septuagint (LXX) translates “Agag” as “Gog.” “One late manuscript to Esther 3:1 and 9:24 refers to Haman as a ‘Gogite.’”[8] Agag and Gog are very similar in their Hebrew spelling and meaning. Agagite means “I will overtop,” while Gog means “mountain.” In his technical commentary on Esther, Lewis Bayles Paton writes:

    The only Agag mentioned in the OT is the king of Amalek [Num. 24:7; 1 Sam. 15:9]. . . . [A]ll Jewish, and many Christian comm[entators] think that Haman is meant to be a descendant of this Agag. This view is probably correct, because Mordecai, his rival, is a descendant of Saul ben Kish, who overthrew Agag [1 Sam. 17:8–16], and is specially cursed in the law [Deut. 25:17]. It is, therefore, probably the author’s intention to represent Haman as descended from this race that was characterized by an ancient and unquenchable hatred of Israel (cf. 3:10, “the enemy of the Jews”).[9]

    A cursive Hebrew manuscript identifies Haman as “a Gogite.”[10] Paul Haupt sees a relationship between Haman’s descriptions as an Agagite and “the Gogite.”[11]

    There is another link between Haman the Agagite in Esther and Gog in Ezekiel 38–39. “According to Ezekiel 39:11 and 15, the place where the army of Gog is buried will be known as the Valley of Hamon-Gog, and according to verse 16, the nearby city will become known as Hamonah.”[12] The word hamon in Ezekiel “is spelled in Hebrew almost exactly like the name Haman. . . . In Hebrew, both words have the same ‘triliteral root’ (hmn). Only the vowels are different.”[13]

    Haman is the “prince-in-chief” of a multi-national force that he gathers from the 127 provinces with the initial permission of king Ahasuerus to wipe out his mortal enemy—the Jews (Ex. 17:8–16; Num. 24:7; 1 Sam. 15:8; 1 Chron. 4:42–43; Deut. 25:17–19). Consider these words: “King Ahasuerus promoted Haman, the son of Hammedatha the Agagite, and advanced him and established his authority over all the princes who were with him” (Esther 3:1). Having “authority over all the princes who were with him” makes him the “chief prince.” In Esther 3:12 we read how Haman is described as the leader of the satraps, governors, and princes

    • Let me just throw in a huge hand grenade into the mix here for something for us to consider whether prophecy has come and gone or if we are looking at future events.

      History has a pattern… It repeats itself. Why would this happen? Only those that know that Satan has been with us from the beginning understand why the mistakes of the past keep happening. Satan is the constant in the equation and his nature has not changed so neither has our struggles.

      Now prophecy in part talks about events that occur both the good and the bad. If the nature of Satan does not change and prophecy in part deals with the evil that Satan brings to earth, then that would make prophecy fairly timeless don’t you think? Meaning prophecy that has happened could be made relevant again. Unless God has told us to seal up the scroll, we should address it as relevant to our lives. To say this isn’t possible is to limit God and I am not sure we should do that.

    • Interesting but I don`t believe this happened in the past. Ezekiel 38:16 mentions the latter days, Ezekiel 38:20 mentions all the men on the earth shaking at the most High`s presence and the mountains shall be thrown down and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground. This sounds like the 6th seal. This definitely didn`t happen back then.

    • Bozz:Does the latter days and the Last days mean the same thing?

      I am done discussing these things, Bozz, been doing it for thirty or more years.

      Deceit will increase, wickedness will increase, the shaking will intensify,Jesus will return at the appointed time on that great and terrible Day.

      The day of the Lord Amen God bless.

      john b

  12. John B,

    I found this study, maybe it will answer your question to Bozz.

    copyright 2000 by The Joshua Club

    The terms “latter days” and “last days” are sprinkled in both the Old and New Testaments. Many Christians believe we are now living in the last days foretold in Scripture. Are they right? Are we even now living in the end times of the world? Are “end times” prophecies being fulfilled now or did Scripture have something else in mind? When are these “last days?”

    To begin our quest for the answer, we need to see the difference between the last day [singular] and the latter days – or last days – [plural]. John is the only writer to use the term “the last day.” In his gospel, it is used to describe the final day of the earth when everybody will be resurrected.

    “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day” [John 6:44, NKJV]. “He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him – the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day” [John 12:48, NKJV].

    John definitely uses “the last day” to describe the end of time when Jesus will return to judge the earth. And it is in this sense many people think of “the latter days.” But is there a difference between “the last day” and “the last days” as used in Scripture? Are they referring to the same period of time or to different periods of time?

    The first time the term “the last days” is used is in Gen. 49:1. “And Jacob called his sons and said, ‘Gather together, that I may tell you what shall befall you in the last days…'” [NKJV]. Jacob then proceed to prophesy about each of his 12 children. What did Jacob mean by “the last days?” He was not describing the end of the world but what would happen to his children and their descendants. The prophecy about Judah even went so far as to come down to the time of Christ.

    So what? The point is this, from the first mention of “the last days” we can clearly see it does not always refer to the end of the world. This means we should never take for granted that “the last days” or “the latter days” is talking about the latter days of the world as we know it. We will have to closely examine the context to determine to what “the last days” is referring.

    Before we move into the New Testament, let’s look at how some of the prophets used the phrase. Is. 2:2 declares, “Now it shall come to pass in the last days, the mountain of the house of the Lord will be established as the chief of the mountains, and will be raised above the hills; and all the nations will stream into it” [NKJV]. Micah 4:1 is almost an exact quote of this verse.

    The “mountain of the house of the Lord” is the kingdom of God which was brought into being in the death, resurrection, and ascension of the Lord Jesus Christ. It has become the chief mountain and all the nations and peoples who accept Jesus as Lord and Savior become part of it. In this case, we see that the phrase “the last days” was referring to the days when the international kingdom of God was established, i.e. at the First Coming of Christ.

    Another important passage is Dan. 2:28. “But there is a God in heaven who reveals secrets, and He has made known to King Nebuchadnezzar what will be in the latter days…” The context is dealing with the king’s dream of the image which represented various world governments down to the time of Christ. “You watched while a stone was cut out without hands, which struck the image on its feet of iron and clay [the Roman Empire], and broke them in pieces…and the stone that stuck the image became a great mountain and filled the whole earth” [Dan. 2:34,35 NKJV]. The stone is the kingdom of God which will grow into a mountain [like in Is. 2:2] until it fills the whole earth. Since the kingdom of God was founded when Jesus died and rose, we see – again – the term “latter days” referring specifically to the first century when these things happened.

    Study for yourself – nowhere in the Old Testament does the term “the last days” or “the latter days” refer to the physical end of the world. For the most part they were looking forward to the time of the New Testament. But what about the New Testament? How do its writers use these phrases?

    The first time in the New Testament the term is used is in Acts 2:16-17. “But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, that I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh…'” [NKJV]. On the Day of Pentecost Peter, quoting Joel, states that God promised to give the Holy Spirit in the latter days. This means that the last days began, according to Peter’s usage, on the Day of Pentecost. He makes no mention of when they end.

    • Thanks John-Michael; That is how I always understood it. in the latter days can also be expressed at a later day (Time)

      Nome; the six points you mention Above has always been an obstacle for me in The futurist interpretation. I still think that there are other scriptures bearing on the matter that one ought to consider in the full scope of understanding Prophesy. As I said many times before, i will start with the clear precise Apostles teaching concerning events leading to the return of Christ. as that is indisputable If Know That Jesus is coming to judge the Living and the dead. Then we also know that this is the consummation of all things physical. as in deed Apostle Peter taught “A consuming Fire whereby the heavens and the earth shall be burned up and that our hope is the new heavens and the new earth” This happened on the Day of the Lord. let the figures, imagery and symbols of Revelations conform to that. I would gladly do that, However; it is too time consuming. I have posted a lot of it on my site in the Articles of Faith under the Blog section. you are welcome to browse them.

      blessings john b

    • Thanks for the pointer john. I’ll check it out later.

      Revelation 20 can’t be clearer as regards the Gog & Magog event — after the millennial kingdom.

      4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
      5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

      7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
      9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
      10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

      The resurrections (of the saved and unsaved) will take a lot of water and elements. And getting all the saints together for the Marriage Supper of the Lamb just wouldn’t be right without including the end time saints. Though it’s “joy to the just to do judgment” I suspect there will be plenty of tears shed by the saved during the Great White Throne judgment as unsaved loved ones are cast out into the Lake of Fire — perhaps even by their own judgment and at their own hands. So the next event after The Rapture — may be our own participation as jurors at the Great White Throne — before the Marriage Supper.

      So yes, from there we can work backwards to see how the preceding events line up.

    • What if the 1000 years is the symbolic of the present reality, that Christ sits already as king subduing all His enemies, the last enemy to be destroyed being death at His return. this is not Death only pertaining to Christians. But it is death (the very satanic nature itsel) taken by Adam and erased in the glory of eternal life.1Cor15:24-28, Eph1:20-22.
      The general resurrection of which Jesus said “the Hour is coming when all that are in the grave shall be judged” Jn5:28,29. This is the same resurrection spoken about in Rev 20 “Great white throne and 1Cor15:24-28.
      Could it be then, that the second death has no power over those of the first resurrection ( another symbol of our righteous standing with him) because spiritually we are raised with christ by the rebirth and sealing of His Spirit. indeed Paul prayed that we should understand this reality of our position in Christ.
      Are we not already a kingdom of kings and priests washes by His blood Rev5:1,6.

      This is what He was taken up for ‘To Rule’ Rev12:5

      My Kingdom is not of this world (not of the natural realm) said Jesus. That is why we have to be Born again to enter into it. for indeed” flesh and blood cannot inherit it”

      john B.

    • Help me out john, please.

      I only see 4 articles under the blog section of your site: Nephilim, Jewish Temple, Great Deception, and Babylon.

      Should there be a clearly labeled “Articles of Faith?”

    • I will say this regarding “symbolism” of spiritual dimensions. I’m far more of literalist than Marzulli. When people tell what they’ve seen in dreams and trances I believe that’s what they’ve seen as best they can describe it in their own terms.

      While one sees aliens, another sees gods, and another sees fallen angels. All 3 are right, with the likely exception of aliens coming from some location across the universe.

      This is easy to me. Reality is as much authored as programmed. God as creator literally took 7 days to write the story (or program). If he had written, “In a galaxy long ago and far away…” that would have been part of the history. It looks to us like there’s been a history stretching back beyond 6000 years, but it just looks that way.

      You may see this “authoring” as close to what you believe is symbolic. To me it’s real. Very real. Including Hell and the Lake of Fire and everything that Christ warned us about repeatedly.

      In the New Creation, those things may be edited out, but that doesn’t mean that anyone here that rejects Christ escapes them. The book of this present reality is not deleted….

    • John B.

      Also “later days” could also mean of the time allotted to the Jews. Also it could be an overview clear down through and too many don’t separate the sequences of the times.

  13. per Bill Salus (“Israelstine”)

    Is Israel:

    1. A people dwelling securely, yashab betach in the Hebrew language? (Ezek. 38:8)
    2. A people dwelling without walls? (Ezek. 38:11)
    3. A nation at peace in the Middle East? (Ezek. 38:11)
    4. One of the wealthiest nations in the world? (Ezek. 38:13)
    5. A people who have acquired “great plunder”? (Ezek. 38:13)
    6. Recognized as a Sovereign Nation, by the international community? (Ezek. 38:8)

    see answers here:

  14. Amy VanGerpen’s Speculation about how the Prophecy Puzzle fits together… (scroll to bottom first for summary charts)

    quote In brief:
    War #1: Gaza, West Bank, Lebanon, Syria, Saudi Arabia
    War #2: Russia, Iran, Turkey, Sudan, Libya, Eastern Europe, former Soviet States
    War #3: War spreading worldwide, culminating in Armageddon back at the epicenter

  15. are we sure Ezekiel 37 has come to pass in it’s fullness. we have seen Jeremiah 23.3,4 and 23 7,8 for sure but has that Holy Ruach been prophesied to them and spiritually turned them to The Anointed One. Romans 11.7 speaks of a remnant and the majority blinded i believe to protect their innocence, without knowledge of the sin you cannot transgress. even more of a question in my mind; have “the two sticks” been joined yet. i believe the 10 tribes, “capital Samaria” and The Kingdom of Judah have yet to reunite and be the whole house of Israel. i think it’s real close. i am of the belief that Judah’s Davidic royal line was relocated to Scotland which took it’s name from Scota, King Zedekiah’s daughter and the “Stone of Scone” is Jacob’s Rock and The ROCK that gave that spiritual water in the wilderness. also the prophecy of Ezekiel 21.27 is right upon us praise God. JESUS come quickly!

    • Very, very interesting Nick. Tell me more about what you believe about the Davidic lines in the UK. Do you have a peer group that believes this?

  16. Israeli Forces Brace for Potential Violence When Palestinians March for Statehood

    “Michael Ben-Ari, an Israeli lawmaker associated with the extremist fringe of the settlement movement, issued a pamphlet to settler leaders encouraging settlers to match every unarmed Palestinian march with an Israeli one.
    “No more soldiers and border police against groups of Arab children and women. Instead, children versus children, youth versus youth, and women versus women — this is how we will destroy the September effect,” he wrote.

    Israel Razes 3 Buildings In West Bank Outpost; Settlers clash with military over unauthorized outpost, as Palestinians later report the torching of a mosque

    Ben-Ari’s analysis and response is correct and the one which Israel should have adopted long ago. Israel has made itself vulnerable because it has played into one trap after another laid by the Arab world by using its army to defend itself. Unwittingly, they are then caught in an asymmetric situation where any action Israel RIGHTFULLY takes to defend itself and its citizens is disproportionate. Instead, match the Arab/Palestinian acts symmetrically. The world is still going to be biased (i.e., Jew-hating) in its response but cannot speak of disproportionate response when child meets child, youth vs. youth, rocket for rocket, etc.

  17. If you acknowledge inheritance from Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, and David — who sit in the presence of the Almighty every day — then it should be no surprise that comes with obligations.

    It looks to me like most of the events of Leviticus 26:14-39 have been fulfilled concerning the diaspora, wherein the covenant stipulated between the Almighty and Israel identified severe repercussions — by repeated series of 7-fold tribulations — for failure to comply.

    Some of which seem to still echo…

    Leviticus 26
    “14 But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments; 15 And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant:
    16 I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror…” (as in Hamas, the Palestinians, etc.)
    “19 And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass:” (as in “Iron Dome,” etc.)

    That said, verses Lev. 26:40-46 tie into Ezekiel 39:21-29 quite nicely….
    “40 If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me;
    41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:
    42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.
    43 The land also shall be left of them, and shall enjoy her sabbaths, while she lieth desolate without them: and they shall accept of the punishment of their iniquity: because, even because they despised my judgments, and because their soul abhorred my statutes.
    44 And yet for all that, when they be in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break my covenant with them: for I am the LORD their God.
    45 But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I am the LORD.
    46 These are the statutes and judgments and laws, which the LORD made between him and the children of Israel in mount Sinai by the hand of Moses”

    Ezekiel 39:21-29
    “21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
    22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
    23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
    24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.

    25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
    26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
    27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies’ lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
    28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
    29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.”

    Covenants definitely have their conditions and clauses. Has Israel met the escape clause(s)? Even if only a remnant? Perhaps Messianic?

    Did the slaughter of 6 million Jews by the Nazis during the holocaust trigger a global recognition of continuing doom? We can’t say on one hand that the regathering was ordained by God using corrupt rulers (such as Churchill, Stalin, and Roosevelt), without also acknowledging that He likewise used/uses corrupt rulers to fulfill the covenants.

    The covenants that are still in effect for good and for ill.

    It may well be that the Most High God had mercy on them after the holocaust, which is His character:

    Matthew 12:15-21 (Isaiah 42)
    “15 But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all; 16 And charged them that they should not make him known: 17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,

    18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased:
    I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.
    19 He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets.
    20 A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench,
    till he send forth judgment unto victory.

    21 And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.”

    What of the generation after that of the holocaust? Will the mercy of God end with the survivors or extend unto the children of the holocaust?

    Compare with WWII veteran stats from the US: 86+2.5=88.5

    “The median age for a World War II veteran in February 2009 was 86 years.”

    Or perhaps we should measure by the youngest holocaust survivor:
    age 68 in late 2010 … almost 70 now … “3 score and 10”


    Can you hear the clock counting down? tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock, tic…

    And how pray tell can anyone under obligation fulfill the terms of covenant with God?

    Same as any of us. Through Yahshua Messiah / Jesus Christ. (Matthew 5)

    John 3
    9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
    10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
    11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
    12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
    13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
    14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
    15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

    16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
    17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
    18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

    So which side of the covenants do you want to be on? That of your ancestors? Or that of the Son of God? (Galatians 4)

  18. Turkey was our ally at one time, now it is not.

    Pres Bush wanted to use their air-fields for our Air Force, and they said a Huge “NO!”

    Notice also, that Egypt is not listed in the 6 nation alliance. Possibly it will destroyed lst….acdg to Ezekiel Chs 28 and Ch 29.

    I thought the war with Russia was going to happen when Pres. Reagan told them to “Tear Down This Wall”. But it didn’t.

    Daniel’s 70th week is on the horizon! The detail of Daniel’s 70th week is the book of Revelation which is 7 years long (Jewish calendar has 360 days)

  19. The fall feasts outline the 70th week. Yom Teruah is the start, aka Rosh Hashana. Here’s what the Lord says about Yom Teruah:

    23And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

    24Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.

    25Ye shall do no servile work therein: but ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.

    & when is this mentioned in Scripture in regard to the last days?

    Joel 2
    1Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

    2A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.

    15Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly:

    16Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet.

    17Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O LORD, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God?

    We see the resumption of the the 70-7’s, the final week. Joel 2 confirms it. Joel 2 describes Yom Teruah. You must look at the feasts to determine His calendar, His timing. There is a man who speaks proud words and blasphemies for 42 months within this week (7 years). Apollyon returns and inhabits him. This spirit inhabits him making him appear to resurrect. Apollyon only has 5 months.

    I don’t think there will be a literal temple. Jesus said, 34O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!

    35Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

    house is left desolate:
    house: G3624
    Of uncertain affinity; a dwelling (more or less extensive, literally or figuratively); by implication a family (more or less related, literally or figuratively): – home, house (-hold), temple.

    desolate: ἔρημος
    Of uncertain affinity; lonesome, that is, (by implication) waste (usually as a noun, G5561 being implied): – desert, desolate, solitary, wilderness.

    I can see antichrist going into A temple, place of worship declaring himself god, but the verse that states that doesn’t mean THE temple.

    The end of the 70th week is marked by Armegeddon: The day of Atonement. That is why the Jews mark a special time of prayer and having a good inscription in the Book of Life because the books are closed finally on the Day of Atonement. These two feasts are the bookends to the 70th week: 7 years. There is only one feast left: Feast of Tabernacles. That is why we are told it is the only feast to be observed during the 1000 year rule of Messiah. Why? Because it’s not fulfilled yet. This happens when Yahweh comes to dwell, tabernacle with us: Rev 21:3

    3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

  20. Nome; click on ‘Blog’ Left of page under photos this will open the blog window.
    when you get to the bottom of blog page Click ‘more’ that will bring you into the next page and on it goes. each page contains about 7 blogs

    john b

    • Hey John,

      I found your Rapture article. (The more’s are a bit too light. Hard for me to see even knowing they’re there.)

      “Apostle Peter also refers to this judgment of the ungodly by Fire,
      “The day of the lord (his appearing) like a thief (quickly), in which the heavens will pass away……the Earth and its works will be burned up” 2Pet 3:7-13.”

      And the Millennium piece. 10-31-08

      “The thousand years of revelations when subjected to the words of Christ and his apostles makes it clear that the millennium is not a futuristic literal time spand on the earth, rather; in accord with the Apostles words, it belongs to the spiritual realm in existence at the present time wherein; “Christ rules subjecting all things under His feet”, the last enemy being subjected is death by the resurrection 1Cor15;22-28.”

      Rev. 20
      7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
      8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

      Isaiah 66
      15 For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
      16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
      17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine’s flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

      18 For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory. 19 And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles.

      20 And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the LORD out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the LORD, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD. 21 And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the LORD.

      22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
      23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

      24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

      No need for carcasses to remain past the elements being dissolved.

      And there’s Zech. 12-14. Once the Mt. of Olives is split and the waters flow east and west… that’s not the same as the waters coming from the throne of New Jerusalem.

      Respectfully, we may have to agree to disagree on the Millennial Kingdom.

      It proves that rule by law and government charity can not save. Only Christ’s sacrifice can change hearts.

  21. I know it is mentioned in Esther. As far as special observances Yahweh told us to observe, that isn’t one of them. But I do believe I read that Jesus observed it, I think it’s the feast of the Jews as mentioned in the NT. I just found this to add:

  22. Ezekiel 35

    5Because thou hast had a perpetual hatred, and hast shed the blood of the children of Israel by the force of the sword in the time of their calamity, in the time that their iniquity had an end:

    6Therefore, AS I LIVE, saith the Lord GOD, I will prepare thee unto blood, and blood shall pursue thee: sith thou hast not hated blood, even blood shall pursue thee.

    Nazarallah was calling for Israeli blood, but it will be their blood that is spilt.
    How incredible is that, that God will answer their call for blood, 2700 years BEFORE they existed! ??

    10Because thou hast said, These two nations and these two countries shall be mine, and we will possess it;
    whereas the LORD was there:

    The very situation that IS IN OUR NEWS TODAY ! They want Israel to diappear. BUT, THE LORD IS THERE !

    11Therefore, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will even do according to thine anger, and according to thine envy which thou hast used out of thy hatred against them; and I will make myself known among them, when I have judged thee.

    “I will make myself known among them” means Israel’s eyes and ears will start to open, when they SEE this prophecy FULFILLED BEFORE THEIR EYES ……. one day soon.

    13Thus with your mouth ye have boasted against me, and have multiplied your words against me: I have heard them.

    Again, this was written over 2000 years ago, and God HEARS their curseing TODAY … a thousand years are as a day to God, and a day are as a thousand years.
    So He has a thousand years to observe each day that we
    experience …(just a thought)

    14Thus saith the Lord GOD; WHEN THE WHOLE EARTH REJOICETH, I WILL make thee desolate.

    This is the big one…. how many times has the whole earth rejoiced ? This has to be AFTER the nuclear war is over and you-know-who has come with …… lying signs and wonders …. and the space brothers ?

    Can anyone imagine the world rejoiceing … with all the armies surrounding Israel still smoldering from the recent war ??

    SOMETHING BIG has to happen … like world peace … and NO MORE nukes …. for 7 years ?

    Isn’t it incredible TO SEE God’s Words GETTING READY .. LINING UP … TO BE FULFILLED ??

    The Ottoman empire is rising, as well as the Roman empire, east and west, right leg and left leg ?

    “The Ten” could be the 10 toes/horns that give their authority to the beast for 1 hour ?

    “They will mingle their SEED with the seed of man” as they did before the flood.

    We are getting close …. The Lord is coming … THAT’s THE BIG NEWS …
    the bougyman can’t come before his TIME.

    Final thought,

    In Daniel it says that 1290 days before the obamanation of desolation is set up, that he will stop the daily sacrifice, so that means … 30 days BEFORE THE COVENANT IS CONFIRMED … the daily sacrifice will be stopped.

    From the confirmation of the covenant there will be 1260 days to the obamanation of desolation and the sacrifice is stopped again in the middle, 3.5 years. ?

    It seems that the daily sacrifice will be restarted before the covenant is confirmed …. it will be stopped 30 days before the confirmation of the covenant and 1290 days before the obamanation is set up, which is 1260 days from the confirmation, 3 1/2 yrs, (360 day yrs) ….

    I would appreciate your thoughts LA,

    You could write a book about Ezekiel 35, but you might not have time to print it before this prophecy is fulfilled.

    How amazing is The Lord !

    Sorry it’s long but I had to share these thoughts with LA’s family
    members, because to tell the truth, I don’t have anyone in my life that could care less about the guide book to the supernatural …. how amazingly fortunate are we to see and to hear …. though we walk alone sometimes ….

    • Nice thoughts Rob. I agree that it is very nice to share with those who have faith in the prophetic word of God. Last time I shared openly with friends and family I got medicated 🙂

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