Shroud or Turin!


Last night on Acceleration Radio we hit the number 1 spot during the first hour! Thank you all for listening. My interview with Barrie Schwortz was an eye opener, and I believe we hit on some interesting points that may never have been discussed before. The most startling one was the fact that the carbon dating tests that was done in 1978 seems to have been manipulated! In other words it had been agreed on, nearly two years prior to the examination of the shroud by the S.T.U.R.P. team, that three samples would be taken from the Shroud and then given to six labs for testing. At the last-minute the S.T.U.R.P. team was informed that for “expediency,” they were only going to select one sample. The sample they chose was from the lower left hand corner of the Shroud, and Schwortz claimed that this part of the Shroud appeared to be different from the rest of the cloth, even to the naked eye! What was stunning and may have been a first – at least it was with me – is that Oxford University received an anonymous donation exceeding one million pounds for having proved that the Shroud was a fake! Sounds like the stuff that conspiracies are made of to me! This manipulating of the carbon dating overshadowed all of the other forensic evidence that pointed to the authenticity of the Shroud. This still remains the “party line” in the main stream media, as article after article points to the carbon dating as proving the Shroud was a fake. However, as Schwortz pointed out in last nights show, there is now a paper that was published in 2005, from one of the original members of the team, that states that the sample was part of a re-weave that was done in the 15th century and thus skewed the carbon dating. There are some of you who want me to cease talking about the Shroud, a position that I will never take and here’s why. The Shroud is forensic evidence. In this age where science is both priest and king, the Shroud points to an event that happened 2000 years ago that is both miraculous and supernatural in origin. It defies our known physics and for Christians this is the most important event in all of history. I speak of course of the resurrection from the dead, of Yahshua/Jesus. In light of the conspiratorial nature of the 1 million pounds given to Oxford it would appear that there are men and women who do not want the truth of the Shroud to win out. I believe that this is because if it is established that the Shroud is the “real deal,” then it changes everything. It validates by forensic evidence an extraordinary event that happened almost 2000 years ago. In turn this then begs the question that if the stories are true about the resurrection then what about the rest of stories? What about His return? His second coming? Now you can see why the Shroud is dangerous. It doesn’t change my faith one iota, but it threatens those who serve another master, those who obfuscate truth, those who want to keep the masses dumbed down, those who are waiting for the son of perdition…

There is a new show airing on the History channel that should be very interesting.

Here’s the link to it.

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You will also want to read my interview with Dr. Whanger about the Shroud, in the Alien Interviews book and how it may relate to the UFO phenomena!

76 thoughts on “Shroud or Turin!

  1. Yes I beleive you are right on this one Dr. Marzulli! There are a great many works of God that are not in the Bible like extinct animals or uncharted deep space nebula which testify to the Magnificant Glory and Mystery of God. It’s not all faith of the unseen. And the Bible prophisied that in the last days knowledge would be increased greatly. Well, that door swings both ways in that knowledge of the acts and doings of the evil one will be increased….but also knowledge of the Wonders of what God has done as well.

    They have found dead sea scrolls, the actual cities of Sodom and Gamorra (long thought to be a biblical myth until the actual cities were found!)and the writings of JoCephus and other corresponding writings testifying to the truth of Jesus’s life. Yes knowledge has increased…increased to the point that we can look at the Shroud of Turin and unlock its message handed back to us from across the centuries.

    • Hi Wilson,
      Are you by any chance referring to ancient Sodom as being the modern Bab edh-Dhra, Jordan (Moab) SE region of the Dead Sea?

    • Yes In a Moment…the very same! In 1995 they discovered the five cities of the plain at the foot of the Jordan Valley today the name for the area is Bab-edh-Dhra.

      The most shocking and amazing thing I read was the literal discovery of old dusty remnants of “round balls of brimstone” which were made purely of sulpher in the areas where these places were! It was a tradition for these people to keep their dead in buildings and it was found that the ruins of these buildings among other things had been burned from the roof tops! God is real!

    • Hey Wilson~
      I think that I heard something about “brimstone” actually being a derivative of the bitumen (i.e. “tar pits”) found in the plains’ five-city area. There is sulfur in it but the brimstone is not raw sulfur. Does that sound right?
      Yes, the archaeological evidence is quite compelling. Where might I view your sources? Thanks and YHWH bless:^D

    • Just google “National Geographic Sodom” and a number of references will pop up. The sulpher thing was taken from one of the articles I was reading there. There is a powerful power-point presentation there that really caught my interest…

      hope you get to see that too…

      kindest reguards to you

  2. LA,
    I’m so glad you have this on your website. I was about to point you to the article that I just saw on the WND website when I read your blog. Here is the linke to the World Net Daily article:

    Exciting stuff! I don’t think I can watch it since I don’t subscribe to the History Channel, but maybe they’ll have a DVD made of it.

  3. L.A. You made some good points to those of us who are sick of the Shroud.

    The Oxford event- yes, extremely interesting.

    It looks like Satan’s primary game plan is to cloak his
    tactics into some sort of unbelievable “Conspiracy”.

    So when someone steps forward and say’s “Hey- wait a minute….” the person is ganged up on & called out to be
    a loony tune. Meanwhile the deception carries on.

    If it takes the Shoud for some people to have their blinders removed & see the light then great! If the proof of the Shroud convinces them to seek the Lord – we don’t lose the potential to add another brother or sister in Christ.

  4. When I think about the lengths that some go to, to “prove” that the Shroud or anything supernatural does not exist or is a fake, I think of the words of William Shakespeare, “Me thinks thou dost protest too much.”

    The enemies of Christ know the truth but want to supress it or find reasons to object to it as it seems it gives them an excuse to go their own way in sin and rebellion and not have to be accountable to anything or anyone higher than themselves.

    Kevin J.

  5. I just dont see it. I have read about the Shroud, attended an exhibit in Atlanta years ago, but just do not see where the debate has affected Evangelical Chritianity at all. or at least on the street, or in the church. Mostly academics, or those who look for more signs and wonders. I have yet to have one persons, saved or not during my time as a Christian which is many years ask me about the Shroud. Not that I dont get chills sometimes thinking about it, but I just dont see the same impact that LA does, otherwise, it is more of todays news, gone tomorrow. How can you prove beyond a reasonable doubt, that this is forensic evidence. It still boils down to “faith.” as believers in God, through the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Help me out here. I did listen and enjoy the show last night.

  6. All great points above by LNL, Kevin and Dave and hats off to you Lynn for the depths of the research. Also, of note, were John B and Lisa’s notes on the previous thread about the potential dangers of this type of object.

    I am certainly the exact opposite of an expert on the Shroud (and a lot of things). I sure don’t know.

    Since the lost have to come to the foot of the Cross, I don’t think that many will find the Saviour in a relic. I’m thankful for the grace of God, it is the only thing I can rightfully boast about, and perhaps God is able to use an object like this to bring people to Him. But, the downside of them lifting the object high, instead of Jesus Christ, is huge. We humans have a history of that. That’s just my take on it.

    • Amen Bruce.

      The thing for me is — if I’m going to judge or try to discern whether something is from YHWH or from satan – and we know they can really be the only two ultimate sources of anything on earth – then I want to be sure. If this is a clever deception – a lying sign/wonder by satan, then hats off to his effort because the evidence is compelling that the shroud is 1st century and the image produce by some superfreaky supernatural means.

      I, for one, appreciate that Lynn has touched this topic – researched it – and presented it here for discussion. People wonder about the shroud. So, it’s good to discuss. (I was fascinated by it, as a child, and often would read things about it…and eagerly watched when those tests were done 20+ years ago.) I think, however, if Lynn or anyone else presents this topic, they must be very careful about making absolute statements as to the authenticity of the *image* of Yeshua. No doubt there is an authentic image, no doubt the cloth is 1st century – no doubt the flowers were from Jerusalem, and no doubt about the coins. But there are scriptures that I have come across that contradict some of the details of the topic (which I’ve posted about already)…and that?

      Well….. something tells me this is a clever ploy. And i mean a very clever ploy to ensnare believers’ attention away from what really matters. All satan has to do is get our attention focused elsewhere and BAM, he gains entry by his subtle deception. I really loathe him.

  7. Dr. Lynn,

    When you posted about this topic the other day, I noticed no one seemed to want to touch it. I honestly don’t understand why. I hold nothing against anyone who doesn’t want to. It could be the topic has been worn out in their concentric circle of influence and they are just flat out tired of hearing about it. But as I alluded to the other day, when I first saw this way back in the mid ’70’s it began a fascination that continues with me to this day.

    I am what you might call a casual follower of the happenings of the Shroud. If we had hard evidence of Noah’s Ark…and we just might in Turkey for example…or of the Ark of the Covenant…and we soon may according to David Flynn, I believe the Christian community would have a different outlook. I agree totally with Dr. Lynn regarding the Shroud being “Evidence”. The powers that be, i.e. Satan and his emissaries…those who are the Princes over the region of Europe and the U.S., will stop short of nothing to keep this evidence from coming forth.

    However, we serve a mighty and I mean MIGHTY GOD! In His time all things work together for good for those who are called according to His purpose. There is war going on right now that we cannot see completely. We see circumstantial evidence all around us of this war as in Dr. Lynn’s post above with the very real conspiracy to keep the Truth from coming to light. But the real war…it is RAGING like it hasn’t since Christ was crucified and then rose from the grave.

    Our spiritual enemies know their time is so very short. Let us keep our armor on at all times and as it says in 1st Peter 5:17 to ALWAYS be ready to give a reason for the Hope that is in us. We never know when Christ is going to give us an experience with Him to lead others to the cross through the power of His Holy Spirit. We need to be on our game. We need to always be on Spiritual Defcon 4 and dug in, ready to fight the enemy head on…because he isn’t just coming…he is here and he is not happy.

    Peace in Christ Jesus our Lord,

    Jeff D

    • Dear Bro Jeff, I replied to the topic the other day.

      I will repost them here, because I think I bring up some important points to consider.


      I have watched the documentary you recommend. The evidence is compelling that the shroud is real. It does not, however, prove that it is the burial cloth of Yeshua.

      The one niggle that I cannot get past (amongst a few other niggles about the shroud) is:

      Yeshua was from Nazareth. Being from Nazareth does NOT equate to having taken the Nazarite vow, which would require He grow his hair long. Study of various other scriptures, reveal that men are to keep their hair short. I do not believe Yeshua took the Nazarite vow, as this is not found ANYwhere in scripture. Therefore, He would have had short hair as all other Jews in His days here on earth.

      The shroud depicts a crucified man, with longish hair.

      This is only ONE point that niggles me. But one worth considering. Before you or any other convinced-person dismisses this – please study the Nazarite vow and find out if Yeshua took the vow or not.

      One last thing to consider:
      We KNOW satan and his minions will do all sorts of things to create deceptions and diversions. It is definitely possibly that he is the one behind the shroud, knowing it will appeal to some people who desire to SEE some proof. We believe on Yeshua by FAITH – not seeing – but by the Grace of YHWH through the gift of Faith He has placed in our hearts.

      It also bothers me that there is NO hint anywhere in scripture that YHWH would leave a physical ‘calling card’. In fact, this would work against the above point of the gift of Faith He gives us in our hearts – that we believe while NOT seeing any proof.

      I read your blog and have managed to listen to a few of your archived shows, and I consider the topics – and test all things through scripture. Just remember we all see through a glass darkly.

      In Yeshua,


      One other thing that REALLY niggles me.

      No one knows what Yeshua looks like.
      Isaiah prophesied that He would be uncomely IN APPEARANCE – in other words, not particularly anything handsome to look at. Plain, average looking.

      Stop and reason this through.
      The image on the shroud looks JUST like those pictures of supposed-Yeshua that many hang in their homes.

      From my research – many don’t give a second thought to the fact that we don’t really know what He looked like. And those people will possibly fall for some man who comes, claiming to be Him, *because* he looks like the image that’s been floated around in ‘art’ for centuries. Some of my research purports the image to be of an ascended master named Sananda.

      The image that has been floated for centuries in the Orthodox churches and the Catholic church, which some claim to be of the ascended master, Sananda —– looks identical to the image on the shroud.

      That alone makes me suspicious, indeed.

    • Based on those posts, I’d like to add, that it has definitely occurred to me that:
      — IF the shroud is a clever forgery,
      -and by that I mean – an authentic shroud of a man crucified – one who looks like the ‘common’ image bandied about for centuries (despite Yeshua not being a Nazarite, and not having a ‘comely’ appearance), but is NOT Yeshua,
      –wouldn’t that be a clever deception?

      Throw in some friction/resistance from sceptics – you know – some well placed opposition, and it makes the shroud appear like it is the burial cloth of Yeshua because, MAN everyone is hard to convince this could be real.

      I want to be VERY clear about two things here:

      1) I have never intimated that I think LA should not discuss the shroud. (discuss away LA – but be careful brother…be discerning)

      2) I believe tests prove the shroud IS authentically from the 1st century.
      HOWEVER, this does not prove that the image on the shroud is that of Yeshua haMachiach.
      It only shows that a man was crucified. By some ultra smart technology. And that leads me to ask, who might have the power and knowledge to do that? satan.

      I have to consider ALL the possibilities, and based on what I posted above? I’m not convinced it is Yeshua on the shroud.

    • Hello dear Lisa~
      Some of the appearances on the Shroud image, particularly of import being the head and face area, do distort the actual image. We do well to remember that the shroud is a burial CLOTH and it was covering the mans head/face. The draping of the fabric would certainly produce anomalies in the negative 3D imagery. For example, where the draped cloth was in actuality indented, it would appear as protruding in the negative image! And if there was also a head napkin (as many claim due to the historical fact of such among Jewish burials at the time) then that may very well account for what looks like long hair. Anyway, you get my drift. I have no idea who the image on the shroud belongs to. I also appreciate your insightful questioning (a very good thing.) Any verdict is still out and it just may be that the will of our Abba is that it remain thus. In the meantime this potential “forensic evidence”, in accordance with His will, may also draw many into the open arms of His only begotten Son, Yeshua haMoschiach.
      In commission of the Great Commission I bid you peace.

  8. The Bible is either the Word of God or it is not. A person believes the Bible or he does not. I offer one verse from Isaiah that proves conclusively that this shroud could not possibly be the impression left on a piece of cloth by the face of Jesus Christ in His burial tomb:

    “Just as many were astonished at you, so His visage was marred more than any man, and His form more than the sons of men”. Isaiah 52:14

    His face, indeed His entire body had been riped to shreds by His accusers, tormenters, and murderers. So how could an image of a perfectly healthy face be that of Jesus Christ after the crucifixion?

    If you chose to believe the lie of the shroud, you open yourself wide to all the other lies that the father of lies (satan) will send your way.

    • Brother Darrel,

      Just a real quick question or two and I apologize if they sound terse, I don’t mean for them be: 1) Have you personally examined the Shroud to be able to make it a matter of fact that it is a “Lie”. 2) Have you personally consulted even one expert who has literally had the Shroud in their hands and used current scientific and even crime scene investigation techniques to put their credentials on the line saying the Shroud is evidence that it is the real thing? 3) How do you know the image of the face if “perfectly healthy” by only seeing images from you personal PC when you have not been able to actually SEE IT?

      Again, I know those questions might sound terse. Please know I am asking them as a Brother in Christ. In turn I cannot say unequivocally that my position is rock solid because the very questions I asked you must be asked of myself…and my answer to them is “No”. I cannot give you an answer without a shadow of doubt. What we are dealing with is the question of evidence and is that evidence sufficient to say this at the very least is a burial shroud of a man who was crucified from the time of 2000 years ago. We then proceed from there as to who this man was but also how this “Image” was placed on this piece of cloth. The implications of the actual answer to this mystery are staggering and boggle the mind to put it mildly.

      I understand the emotion. I understand the rhetoric. But can we all please take an honest look at this and say we don’t know but there IS that possibility? Do I believe IN the Shroud? No. I do not put my faith in the Shroud or ANY object of Christendom. My faith is in Christ alone. Do I believe the Shroud is evidence like I would if the Ark of the Covenant were truly found or Noah’s Ark? Yes.

      Yes I do.

      Sola Scriptura,

      Jeff D

    • Bro Jeff,
      you said:
      “We then proceed from there as to who this man was but also how this “Image” was placed on this piece of cloth. The implications of the actual answer to this mystery are staggering and boggle the mind to put it mildly. ”

      YES – it does boggle the mind.
      We MUST be able to reconcile everything scripturally and through testing all things. By prayer and supplication along with searching the scriptures.

      I cannot reconcile that the image is Yeshua. I do, however, believe the shroud is authentically from the 1st century of a man crucified.

      And SINCE this image was put onto the shroud by supernatural means – or by means we cannot explain and therefore assume to be supernatural, I can ONLY come to the conclusion it is possibly a clever ploy by satan to deceive believers. It IS possible to be deceived. We have not finished the race yet.

      in Yeshua,

    • Darren, thanks for posting that scripture.

      The other passages in Isaiah about His uncomely appearance really niggled me when I investigated the shroud. It has been an interesting topic to me, since I first heard about it as a little girl. There are just too many variables that do not line up for me.

      The fact that the image on the shroud looks SO much like the way artists have portrayed ‘him’ throughout the centuries is a huge red flag to me.

      If the shroud were of Yeshua – I would think it wouldn’t look ANYthing like those paintings and images of ‘jesus’ that people have.

      The thing is? We have clues in scriptures with which to TEST ALL things. If anything goes against scripture? And I believe the Isaiah passage about Yeshua having an UNcomely appearance, and the other scriptures telling us where He is from (therefore He’s a Nazarene), and yet other scriptures describing what being a NazaRITE entails (which Yeshua was not a Nazarite)……

      Well? It just doesn’t add up…….

      And yet, the evidence is VERY compelling. SOMETHING supernatural happened to create that shroud. I have no doubt it’s from the 1st century and that it contains flowers, coins with writing – and the image of a man crucified. But I am not convinced it is Yeshua. I’m becoming more convinced it is a clever, clever ploy by satan to snare BELIEVERS.

      And draw non believers to fall for the man who will manifest soon, claiming he is the ‘messiah’, and hey look — I match the image on the shroud AND all those artistic renditions that have been floating around for centuries.

      The Holy Spirit compels me to speak out on this. I do not type those words lightly brothers and sisters. I have to account for them at Yeshua’s judgement seat.

    • Darrell, those a good points, I never thought of that before, but the scripture does say that clearly. I personally dont have much of an opinion if its real or not.

    • Hello Darrel~
      One thing to consider: IF it is eventually proven that this image indeed and ultimately does belong to Yeshua haMoschiach/Ieosus Christos/Jesus Christ, then there is only one explanation as to why the image appears to be relatively unscathed, minus all the tortuous affects: the body was in the PHENOMENAL process of physical healing and transformation! For the sake of all goodness, the man just received a new, immortal body. Hallelujah:^D
      Yahweh bless you.

  9. Perhaps this is a good time for us all to examine -deeply- this particular Scripture:
    “But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even unto the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.” Daniel 12:4 (KJV)
    Basically YHWH (via His Holy messenger) was saying that this prophecy would never be fully understood (not even by Daniel, hence his specific instructions) until the end time. And there’s all kinds of knowledge. What kind of ‘knowledge’ was YHWH referring to in this instance, general or prophetic? There’s really a lot to take apart and consider in this short verse. But well worth the unraveling:^D
    In His service,

  10. Jeff, The answer to all three of your questions is “No”. However, that does not negate the fact that this whole business is a clever deception designed to draw attention away from the greatest event in human history: the Resurrection from the dead of Jesus Christ. Just as finding Noah’s ark would not make my faith in the fact of the flood stronger. It is recorded in God’s Word, that’s all I need and that is all I have.

    This has been a great exercise in discernment (Heb. 5:13&14). May the Lord bless all of us as we try to seek and understand Him more.

  11. About all the art; I am writing from memory here because I at this time do not have time to research it but eventually will…the art we see in many churches and homes (not mine) do depict a man with long hair. If memory serves me correct from past research, this art became popular AFTER the 15th century when the Shroud was first made public. Art BEFORE the Shroud was made public show Christ with SHORT hair as would be true to Jewish men keeping their hair short because of lice and so on.

    Can this be a deception from Satan? Absolutely! As I said, I have never placed my faith in ANY object for that would obviously be idolatry. Yes, we must test all things with Scripture and Prayer. The Shroud is no exception. Then again, are we willing to be intellectually honest and hold the Shroud to the same testing as we would the Ark of the Covenant or Noah’s Ark…the books (scrolls and fragments) that make up what we now call our Bible?

    I have no doubt that the majority on this board would hold the same criteria in testing. We are correct in our desire to make sure we ourselves are not taken in by the enemy, yet at the same time we should not just throw out the baby with the bath water because it might be something we don’t want it to be due to fear of being deceived.

    Sola Gratia,

    Jeff D

    • Thanks Jeff –

      Thanks for the heads up on the timing of the art. (Of course, the shroud makes no difference to me as regards my faith in Yeshua. But it is good to investigate further.)

      I see several points that keep coming up for discussion surrounding the shroud.

      -the authenticity of date
      -who is the image of?
      -the issue of relic-status, and how that is viewed by believers

      As I’ve already said, I feel the evidence shows that the cloth is 1st century.
      I’m not sure who image is portraying.
      And I certainly agree with you, Jeff, that no authentic relic (ark, burial cloth, spear, etc.) should be the under pinning for anyone’s faith. And of course, I realise YHWH can speak through a donkey, so it’s pretty clear to me He can use ANYthing to speak to anyone’s heart.
      In Yeshua,

    • p.s. I do not operate out of fear of being deceived. I try to guard my heart, mind and soul. I learned how to do this the hard way. When I was in the church system, I became bound by the fear of being deceived. I was conditioned to recoil when I read certain catch-phrases that prompted me to label ideas or people as “X”. That’s because I leaned on pastors back then. people need to realise that questioning the authenticity of the image in no way equates to ‘throwing the baby out with the bath water’. It is good sense to tease through every detail on matters such as the shroud. I would be a fool not too.

    • Miss Lisa,

      Please accept my apologies for what I can now see can be construed as very strident language when I said, “we should not just throw out the baby with the bath water because it might be something we don’t want it to be due to fear of being deceived.”

      As your brother in Christ, I did not intend to indict you personally or anyone for that matter of being in fear of deception. Perhaps I was to strong on the hyperbole. I am sorry. You are right to say you guard your heart, mind and soul. We all should.


      Sorry. I got happy fingers there for a second.

      What I am trying to do is boil it down to what it really is…a piece of evidence. Since we have that piece of evidence, where do all its clues lead us? There have already been post after post making postulations on this and I personally love the dialogue.

      So…what’s next?


    • Dear Bro Jeff,

      I love this discussion too. It pushes me to examine all things and to search my own heart. No offence is taken, but I thank you for reaching out to make sure:)!

      My thought is, if others read this dialogue later, they will be able to consider various points that have occurred to others.

      YHWH bless and keep you as you continue to seek Him,
      In Yeshua,

  12. This is something to consider about the burial Of Jesus.

    The Four gospels refer to the Body being Taken Of The Cross “wrapped” in linen,Lk23:53 transported it and placed in the Tomb. The same Greek word is used in the Birth narrative of Jesus. Mary “wrapped” Jesus as a baby.Lk2:7
    The point i make is this: There is a difference in the (Greek words) for Wrapping & covering.

    It appears that the shroud “covered” The Body and Did not “wrap” it as scripture indicates Jn20:6.

    john B.

    • According to Jewish custom the body was wrapped Jn20:40, yet in Mat27:59 a “singular” linen cloth is mentioned.

      So; on one hand we have “wrappings” and on the other hand we have A linen cloth(sheet)…. Now; the scripture does not contradict itself, it cannot, for it is the infallible word \. Therefore; It suggests that the Cloth Bought Joseph was cut into Wrappings and then used according to Jewish Custom which was precisely What Simon Peter Found Upon Entering The tomb Jn20:6

      The Fact that the Face-cloth which had been on his head was apart from the linen wrappings Vs7 suggests that the Angels present at the tomb on resurrection morning were involved in unwrapping the Body of Jesus..

      John B

    • When We come down to it, It is Not scientific Forensic that is going to to prove whether Something is From God or The Devil. it is about the Revealed Truth within the Word of God Amen..

      john b

    • Hmm! The “wrappings” and “cloth” section of Scripture certainly do place this subject on an entirely “new” level! I’m gonna do some “re-researching” now. Great points brother John B.
      Carry on in His work:^D

  13. There are some really good comments & input on this topic today.

    When all is said and done- personally- I don’t like that Shroud. (Sorry L.A.) The Lord draws people to Himself through various means so I can’t discount the possibility. There have been many times when I have made a personal judgment about a situation & it turns out to be completely wrong.

    What I’ve learned from that is to forgo my own preconceived notions & just follow the unction of the Spirit in faith. When I do that is when I’m shocked by the results & am witness to God’s hand working in people’s lives.

    Since the Lord has allowed this item to be in existence could it be used as a test?

    A test of what?

    A test of faith?
    A test of discernment?
    A test of devotion?
    A test of searching for truth?
    A test to see if we can discuss this w/o going nuts?

    • Hi LNL~
      Thank you for these most welcome thoughts; it very well could be a test. (I get a chuckle out of “a test to see if we can discuss this w/o going nuts”.)
      His love lift you up:^D

    • Brother Matt,

      Trust me, this is NOT flying well here in the great state of Texas. I saw this live when the story broke on one of our local news channels here in DFW. Here is the link to that video and more on the story:–88953052.html

      One note of interest…maybe. Tarelton State University is located in the city of Stepheville…which just happened to have a major UFO flap not two years ago.

      Is there a connection between the two and the armies of darkness? I have no doubt persoanlly.

      We shall see what transpires.

      Sola Christus,


    • Hi Jeff, I’m in Texas as well, if your plan to bring Dr Marzulli to the great state of Texas to speak pans out let me know. I saw a post of yours a few weeks back on trying to find a place to hold the speaking engagement. I will do all I can to help out if this is something you feel might be a possibility. I am in the Houston area but would make the trip up to Dallas to help out anyway I can. Just wanted to put that out there in case you felt this was something that could possibly be done.

    • Brother Matt, you have no idea how excited you just got me. It is great to meet another Texan here on this site, especially one that is like minded in getting Dr. Lynn to our state and region.

      I am in prayer for finding a venue that would be willing to hold a conference. As he had to do recently, he needs funding to get here and back. I have already offered him a place to stay so that is covered. We just need to find a place in this uber conservative area (of which I am one, just not on the topic of the Nephilim) that can or will host him.

      I am blessed to work at a ministry that at least has opened a door for him to be heard on Sirius XM for a brief interview along with the local radio network that I am privy to.

      Any ideas would be more than welcome Matt. I believe we must be in much prayer that God will prepare the hearts of people in this area. I know there are many here who would love to here his hypothesis because there used to be a radio program in Dallas that was very popular called “Politics and Religion”. It was mostly based on current events and tying them in to end time prophecy. I never heard them talk about the Nephilim or aliens but that type of audience I am sure would still be open to hearing Dr. Lynn.

      Please be in prayer with me Matt and anyone else who is reading this. This area was a hot bed 2008 for UFO activity and has a LONG history of cattle mutilations and occult/supernatural happenings. The time is ripe for Dr. Lynn to come to Texas. We need God’s timing and His direction.

      Blessings to all.


  14. Chile: Luminous Entity Spreads Panic Among Bus Passengers

    Source: La Estrella de Iquique
    Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010

    Chile: Luminous Entity Spread Panic Among Bus Passengers

    [Liliana Núñez Orellana has kindly provided us with this follow-up on the alleged post-earthquake CE-3 witnessed by bus passengers in the vicinity of Iquique – SC]

    The sighting of a luminous being on the shore of the region of Tarapacá caused panic among passengers of an intercity bus from Iquique to Santiago de Chile.

    The brush with the paranormal took place at 5 a.m. on March 1st 2010, when the passenger bus made a stop along Route A-1, linking from Iquique to Tocopila near the Vicente Mena Beach, between Punta Gruesa and Chucumata.

    At that point, one of the female passengers began mumbling in her sleep: “They’re there, outside, there’re here,” creating expectation among her fellow bus passengers. She was wakened by one of her traveling companions. Once awake, the woman reacted as she looked outside the bus, seeing a fluorescent cylindrical structure in the sea. She began screaming and and causing alarm among the other passengers.

    Collective panic gripped the passengers at this point, who after a few seconds “claimed having seen a top-shaped spacecraft emerging from the sea”, according to researcher Raul Rivera.

    When everyone inside the bus calmed down and endeavored to photograph the luminous structures with their cellphones, the consternation and screams made an encore. “A being standing approximately 3 meters tall, thin and with impressive flashes of light, began walking toward the highway,” explained Rivera, stating that the case is being rigorously investigated in Santiago.

    Once in Santiago, the experiencers went their separate ways, “making the investigation a difficult undertaking,” according to Enrique Silva, one of the two persons in charge of the process. He says that until now “only eight eyewitness accounts exist – a paltry sum, considering that an inter-city bus generally transports between 30 and 40 passengers.”

    The identities of these eight witnesses is being kept in complete secrecy while future eyewitness accounts are sought, and the investigation can truly be finalized.

    One of the open issues of this sighting is that neither the bus driver nor his assistant can be found. This has only served to stoke expectations, as some witnesses claim that the driver’s assistant took photos and videos of the encounter.

    “There are key witnesses to the case. We cannot say who they are, nor the company to which the bus belongs. I can only say that something happened, as the eyewitness accounts are in agreement. I can say that a strange phenomenon occurred at that site,” Silva states explicitly.

    The rigorous nature of the investigation is not only due to the sighting’s complexity or the difficulties involved in finding the final location of the passengers. The researcher in charge of the study adds that “there is an armed organization involved with the sighting, not as the source of the phenomenon, but as key witnesses. Therefore, the information involved, and the investigative process, must be handled with great care.” Silva explains that “we should have results this week or early next week.”


    • Brother Gordy,

      The link at the bottom is broke. The story however is very, very disturbing if this is real and by the accounts of eyewitnesses there was obviously something going on that does not fit into our world paradigm.

      I would personally love it if you could reprint the link or keep us apprised of the situation.



  15. Reports: Netanyahu ‘Humiliated’ by Obama Snub

    For a head of government to visit the White House and not pose for photographers is rare. For a key ally to be left to his own devices while the President withdraws to have dinner in private was, until this week, unheard of. Yet that is how Benjamin Netanyahu was treated by President Obama on Tuesday night, according to Israeli reports on a trip viewed in Jerusalem as a humiliation.

    After failing to extract a written promise of concessions on settlements, Obama walked out of his meeting with Netanyahu but invited him to stay at the White House, consult with advisers and “let me know if there is anything new”, a U.S. congressman, who spoke to the Prime Minister, said.

    What arrogance Obama has…Chicago style politics at its best. Intimidation, bullying, ostracizing, back door deals, bribes…. I truly believe the American people had no idea who this man really was when they voted him into office. You want change? You got it…. Just not all change is for the better.

    • I was just reading the same article from a link off of Drudge earlier and was going to put it up here but have been so busy with the other comments didn’t have time. Glad you got it instead Matt.

      Yeah, people wanted change they can believe in…I wonder if they believe how much their lives are being changed now. The way he handled Netanyahu in our own White House is nothing short of an international embarrassment and a huge debacle that won’t be forgotten any time soon by Israel I am afraid.

      In Him,


    • Dateline 3/2010: “Talks between Russia and Iran have broken down. Obama to impose sanctions on Iran in a strong reaction to their push for nucular weapons.”

      Fox news and the Drudge report will never report on that! They only report disinformation that causes people who already hate President Obama to further hate him.

    • True or not, these three scenarios are now officially circulated as news and I must say are quite intriguing. Worth pondering are:
      (1)U.S. and Israel talks break down; relations strained
      (2)Russian and Iranian talks break down
      (3)North Korea fires on South Korean ship
      What is your take?

  16. Hi Lynn and all other bloggers here:

    I was reading the Gospels of Luke and John and regarding the burial of our Lord it says that they wrapped Him in “strips of linen”. Matthew and Mark state that it was a “linen cloth”. I also seem to remember reading, not sure where, that there was a separate cloth over his face alone. Just wondering if these were “strips of linen” that were used, then this shroud may not be the burial cloth of our Lord. What do you guys think, according to the scriptures?

  17. Hi Lisa, I read John B’s posts about this and also commented. Now I’m ready to do some “re-research”! (take a look at post #19 too, “k?)

    • Hi ‘Moment’….I think that’s a different Lisa above….notice the difference in ‘icon’ thingy to the right side….(just in case you were addressing me).
      Lisa in UK with a pink icon

    • Hello there~
      Whereabouts in UK are you? I have a long time friend (Brit mum and American dad) who was born in Harrow, so she still retains her English “subject-ship” alongside her American “citizen-ship”. Once upon a time in the early nineties she brought me some chalk rock back from Silbury Plain. (Guess where?) And that my friend is the closest I’ve ever gotten to England. I have always wanted to go. Maybe someday. Sigh.
      ((Btw….thanks for the heads-up on the “icon thingy”. Good idea cuz I did assume (uh oh) that it was you. Silly me.))
      Blessings and do have a joyous weekend:^D

    • I’m in the Southwest:)….I’m American, lol! I have no clue where Harrow is or Silbury Plain. What amazes me about England is how many towns, villages, hamlets, and cities there are and not on a very big land mass!

      It’s now Sabbath – so I’m just resting and joying in YHWH. He’s so good:).
      YHWH bless you and I hope you also have a joyous weekend!
      Lisa (LA, you’re welcome to give my email to “Moment” if she wants it….thowwy for any trouble but thank you so much for helping me and Cathy connect and YHWH bless you too LA!!)

    • It would be a pleasure to share my email with you, Lisa in the UK :^D ((Good to go L.A………))

  18. I have looked at the Shroud of Turin on many occassions. Because this is brought up so much, I will give you the scriptures as to why I do not believe that this is Our Lord and Savior. Once you read these scriptures, please go back and view the shroud of turin again and compare the image to what the Word of God says:

    Isaiah 50:6

    I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I had not my face from shame and spitting.

    Isaiah 52:14

    As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so “marred” more than any man, and his “form” more than the sons of men:

    Isaiah 53:7

    He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

    Matthew 26:67

    Then did they spit in his face, and buffeted him; and others smote him with the palms of their hands,

    Matthew 27:27-30

    then the soldiers of the governor took Jesus into the comon hall, and gathered unto him the whole band of soldiers. And they stripped him, and put on him a scarlet robe. And when they had platted a crown of thorns, they put it upon his head, and a reed in his right hand: and they bowed the knee before him, and mocked him, saying, Hail, King of the Jews! And they spit upon him, and took the reed, and smote him on the head.

    Mark 14:65

    And some began to spit on him, and to covver his face and to buffet him, and to say unto him, Prophesy: and the servants did strike him with the palms of their hands.

    Mark 15:15

    And so Pilate, willing to content the people, released Barabbas unto them, and delivered Jesus, when he had scourged him, to be crucified. And the soldiers led him away into the hall, called Praetorium; and they call toether the “whole band”. And they clothed hm with purple, and platted a crown of thorns, and put it about his head, and began to salute him, Hail, King of the Jews!And they smote him on the head with a reed, and did spit upon him, and bowing their knees worshipped him.

    Luke 22:63-64

    And the men that held Jesus mocked him, and smote him. And when they had blindfolded hiim, they struck him on the face, and asked him, saying , Prophesy, who is it that smote thee?

    John 19:1-3

    Then Pilate therefore took Jesus, and scourged him. And the soldiers platted a crown of thorns, and put it on his head, and they put on him a purple robe, And said, Hail, King of the Jews! and they smote him with their hands.

    John 19:39-40

    And there came also Nicodemus, which at the first came to Jesus by night, and brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred pound weight. Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury.

    Luke 23: 53-56

    And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid. and that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on. And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid. And they returned, and prepared spices and onitments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

    Mark 15:46-47 Mark 16:1
    (Mark does not have the full story)

    And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre and Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses beheld where he was laid. And when the sabbath was past, mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

    Matthew 27:59-60

    And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, And laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock: and he rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and departed. And there was Mary magdalene, and othe other Mary, sitting over against the sepulchre. Now the next day, that followed the day of the prepration, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,

    Matthew 28:1

    In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the firest day of the week, came Mary magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

    Putting this together now. Jesus was scourged and beaten. His face and body so “marred”. Joseph took Jesus’ body off the cross and wrapped it in linen. Nicodemus prepared the body with 100 pound weight of aloe and spices. “Myrrh” I have never read any report about the ointments on the shroud. And there should have been no traces of blood. The linen cloth that they wrapped Jesus’ body in when they took him off the cross should have been soaked in blood!!

    According to Isaiah, they tore his beard, literally. I see no evidence of all the beatings and scourging that our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, took during His trials or persecutions on the Shroud of Turin.

    To be scourged with a whip is to have your flesh torn off from the bits of bone and stones intertwined in the cords of the whip.

    • Hi ljb~
      IF this is indeed Yesuah ha Moschiach/Jesus Christ then the only explanation for the relatively unscathed look would be simple: he is transitioning from his earthly flesh, blood, and bone body into his exalted and immortal body! This is what resurrection means. A healing transition…transformation is happening. Major wounded appearance is dissipating.

  19. Lisa, It could be John 20:6&7 that you are refering to. “Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb; and he saw the linen cloths lying there, and the handkerchief that had been wrapped around His head, not lying with the linen cloths, but folded together in a place by itself”.

    I heard a born again Jewish pastor tell the significance of the handkerchief being laid off by itself. It means in the Jewish culture that “I am coming again” or “I will return”.

    Even so, come Lord Jesus!

  20. I just want to say that no one has an “edge” on knowing God. There are so many ways of knowing God. Cognitive is one route but I know Developmentally Disabled people that know Him in their own way and in their disability and despite their disability or even because of it. And one can know the scriptures or think they “know” the scriptures and just like that can read the exact same scripture and God can shed a new light on it and give it a whole different meaning to them. I trust my Savior to protect me from deceit and to guide me. He uses the scriptures but He uses so many other venues as well like whispers of the heart or some message coming from all different directions so I really hear it. I take issue with my brothers and sisters judging someone as “deceived” because that person believes the shroud was all about the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I was in Hastings and saw the book of Enoch the other night and wondered why that didn’t get into our bible today as it’s such a significant book. Oh I know all the logic and reasoning. But knowing God is sovereign I was asking Him. People that don’t read Enoch are missing out on a huge part of biblical history. Then I got to thinking about other stuff that isn’t in the scriptures. All the other people Jesus talked to or healed or had dinner with or children He played with or maybe dogs He petted and they got all blessed and walked off wagging like never before. Some things I guess we won’t know but that doesn’t take away from His love for us and it doesn’t mean we’re all doomed. Seriously. We weren’t there when He put the stars up. It was His living room and He was decorating it. And we weren’t there. We just don’t know everything. But I trust He’s good. It says it. And I feel it. I trust the shroud is a replica of Him. I don’t need all the research. I trust my heart. He lives in it. And if I’m wrong, it will be because He tells me and not in a mean way pointing to hell because I believed the wrong thing. In a whisper. In a kiss. In a breath on my cheek leading me in a different direction. That’s the kind of God He is.

    • I’m hearing the Love you speak of. Coming in waves right into my room. Into my heart painting a watermark on my cheek. Amen.

  21. Hi L.A.~
    In post #21 “Lisa” has extended an invitation to me for an email exchange. That’s a-okay with me if you could set it up to happen! Thanks in advance:^D Yahweh’s abundant blessings on you as you fight the good and glorious fight.

    • Major problem L.A.: this is strange, my PC has lost it’s capability for using the IE program! So no go with the OE email connection. I use Mozilla Firefox as server. Thank you for your assistance anyway. Maybe I can re-install it…or whatever needs to be done. Oh dear. Sigh.

  22. Dear Lisa~
    Problem with getting connected. So sorry. My IE access has been deleted for some strange reason! (I use Mozilla) Perhaps we can find another way? L.A. attempted to help but I can’t use the OE email system. Please accept my apologies.

  23. One thing I’ve never heard mentioned about this subject is the issue of DNA.

    If there really is a cover up of the true nature of the Shroud, could be it be for more than one reason? What if they could clone a person using DNA samples from the cloth? What type of characteristics would this person have?

    When would this person make themselves known? If this person wants to truly counterfeit the true Messiah, then he would begin his teaching at the same age as Jesus.

    Could this be used to present a counterfeit Christ, in the very image of our Lord? He was without sin, therefore He did not have the gene sequence that is mortal. What if the sequence was reverse engineered to allow anyone who accepted the Mark of the Beast, immortality in a human body?!

    Food for thought.

    • Hi Dave~
      According to one scientific article I read, the argument goes something like this: a clone is like a “delayed twin”. Born as an infant and growing up in an environment entirely different from its predecessor, the clone would develop a separate personality and character; the neuronal wiring would be quite different due to brain complexity. ((Obviously YHWH knew what He was doing!))
      With bio-genetic technology being at the juncture it is today, one can pretty much fathom the possibilities. Sounds as though you may have read the “Christ Clone Trilogy” by James BeauSeigneur?

    • Hi IAM,
      I guess the “delayed twin” argument makes sense, since twins are split from the same nucleus but end up as unique individuals, with different retina and fingerprint patterns. However, if Jesus was without sin, then the genetic make up of his earthly body did not include the ‘death gene’? Does that mean a cloned person, from the genetic material of the Shroud would have the an immortal body? I’m not an expert in this field, but it is not beyond any reasoning that the enemy could offer a facility for changing one’s genetic make up. The person would effectively be offered an immortal body in exchange for accepting the Mark of the Beast. Could this be the reason that once a person accepts this Mark, they can no long be saved – because they’re not now the same as Adam, and therefore not human?

      I hadn’t heard of the “Christ Clone Trilogy” by James BeauSeigneur – I just looked it up. It’s a work of fiction by the looks of it. No, what made me really think about this subject was the book EDEN The Knowledge of Good and Evil 666″ by Dr. Joye Jeffries Pugh. It is a book that got me thinking about this subject when I’d never given it any thought whatsoever. Please note that there is some controversy surrounding this book – there is a claim by Clinton Ortiz that his material on the subject has been used without any credits given – – I haven’t spent enough time looking at this to say either way.

    • Hi Dave W~
      I’ll do my best to express this concept. First is that the jury is still out on exactly whose image is “tattooed/hologrammed” on the Turin Shroud. Secondly is the fact that we have absolutely no photographic/film evidence of Yeshua while he was walking planet Earth in His human body, so we have no idea what he even looked like. Third point to consider is that even in using the blood DNA found on the shroud we have nothing to compare it to! We have now come to a dead end. Thus far this is how the scenario looks: the shroud image is finally revealed to be that of Jesus Christ; blood DNA is then used to re-create/clone His body; now “He” can be received by the teeming masses as “Himself”…the endgame being that “His” clone will now be subject to possession by Satan. Enter the AC. I’m not saying this is how it will play out…we just have no way of knowing. So it’s probably a good idea that we not get too far ahead in our thinking; this is dangerous ground to tread. As far as the “Eden” book by Dr. Pugh goes. Well…she claims the AC is Prince William of Wales. And that’s because he looks just like the shroud face. In other words He’s the clone from the shroud blood. And last but not least is the History Channel’s March 30 show about the high tech face imaging taken from the (you guessed it) Turin Shroud. And this face is no Prince William.
      Phew. Thanks for tuning in:^D

    • This “death gene” you mention….remember that Jesus’ human flesh, blood and bone body had to DIE just like all human bodies do. All those born again by Yahweh’s Holy Spirit will also face death (the first death of flesh, blood and bone bodies.) But just as Jesus received His new glorified and immortal body (a different flesh and bone- no blood in new one) so too will all believers who have received Him. “But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.” John 1:12-13 (ESV) Being on this subject and that His Resurrection celebration is not far off, here is a sweet little page to go visit:

    • **NOTE**
      The link I just posted does NOT in any way mean I am endorsing or encouraging you/anyone to join that particular group. The link is only for purposes of a Scriptural understanding about death and resurrection.
      In His service,

  24. **N E W S**
    According to the NY Post article regarding the Turin Shroud and the forthcoming March 30 History Channel program: apparently the shroud WAS wrapped and not draped as has been assumed…on this blog and elsewhere.

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