Commentary & Analysis
L. A. Marzuilli
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On 29 September around 21:00 hours near Bustamante Park in the downtown area, a strange flying creature was seen flying from one tree to another. Its size was estimated at around 2 meters tall and shaped like a manta ray.
A report had come out of Santiago Chile about a flying man. I am reminded of the similarity between this sighting and the “Mothman” sighting that happened in Point Pleasant, West Virginia, in 19666-1967. I interviewed Lawrence Gray, who was an eye-witness to the phenomena as the entity appeared in his room in the middle of the night. That being said, here is the excerpt from the Alien Interview book. (Time for a shameless plug) I’m in the process of reworking the book, removing some of the interviews and adding many new ones and also updates. We’re going to release this new book along with Watchers 7, together sometime in November.
Lawrence Gray Interview
This is the man who saw the Mothman and had what I would call spiritual victory over it.
L. A.: Can you give us some background on your life, specifically, what you were doing in Point Pleasant way back in 1966?
L. G.: In 1966, I felt called to the ministry and to missionary work in Papua New Guinea. So, I enrolled into Bible School at Frankfort Pilgrim College in Indiana. Prior to this time, I worked in a supermarket in Pt. Pleasant, WV. I was married and had a young daughter. We served the Lord waiting for His directions for our future. We attended the Pilgrim Holiness Church at that time.
It was in the early seventies that God gave me a definite call to PNG while reading the book Perish for Their Saving. It was not until 1977 that we left for PNG with Evangelical Bible Mission out of Florida. In between the call and going, I graduated from Marshall University and supervised the Gallia Co. Children’s Home just out of Gallipolis, Ohio.
L. A.: What specifically did you see while you were a missionary? Supernatural in Papua New Guinea.
L. G.: This is what was told to me by the people. They had a lot of stories that related to, what I would call, demonic activity. One boy was in the living room of a man who was a missionary. This thing comes to the door and asks him to come and sleep in the cemetery. It was a spirit. It had form and was very convincing. The boy was afraid of it, but he would go with it. This happened several times…[and the boy would] sleep in the cemetery. Finally the boy slept with the missionaries [in their house] and the spirit stopped visiting him. One time this spirit got the boy and put him up in a tree…on another occasion, the spirits came and took a woman and put her in a little cage. People came and got her but this thing had power over her. These things would happen regularly. In another region of the country, Wally (the name of a demon or spirit) would walk around in the swamps and he would put curses on people.
Masalias were spirits that would manifest at night. They would walk around and torment people and cause illnesses and fevers.
They had spirit houses. When they worshiped the spirits, which I thought was the devil, they would sacrifice a pig and ask for favor. The men would go into the Tombuna house and pray to the devil. They believed that there was a god in heaven and would occasionally sacrifice to him. Oggle Nuk Nuk was his name. They all had different twists and turns in their relationship. From one tribe to another there were different beliefs.
L. A.: So you were immersed in the spirit world, which is a different paradigm than what we see in the states?
L. G.: I think we have it in the states, but the devil works differently here. It’s different here. It has another quality, a different dynamic than over there. There are demons and the approach here is different. The devil uses worldliness and luxury. Over there it was right to the point, because they had been into it for many generations, more of a reprobate spirit here than there.
L. A.: How would you describe your worldview?
L. G.: I’m a born-again Christian believer that believes in the second coming of Jesus. I graduated from the Methodist University and served in the mission field. I believe that we’re right on the very edge to the tribulation. I believe that what we’re doing in the Middle East is wrong. What we’re doing in Israel is wrong. It’s not going to bring peace.
Missionary work is still viable but it’s getting different.
L. A.: Can you describe the events that happened in Point Pleasant in 1966? I’m assuming that you had heard of this Mothman manifesting before your encounter with it.
L. G.: I heard about it, but I gave the devil the credit for it. I had it all figured out.
L. A.: What do you mean by all figured out?
L. G.: The Bible says that the devil can change his shape and walks around as a roaring lion. He can manifest in whatever shape he wants to. It can be ugly or beautiful or whatever he wants it to be. I just figured that the devil was manifesting himself in whatever way he wanted to. The devil was manifesting himself.
L. A.: At this point you had already been in New Guinea?
L. G.: No, I hadn’t been to Bible school yet. I went to New Guinea later.
L. A.: So you later drew on your experiences in New Guinea to explain what you saw in Point Pleasant?
L. G: No, I thought Point Pleasant was it. When I went to New Guinea it was more of the same.
L. A: Ok, tell me about what you saw.
L. G: I came out of a church and across Jefferson Avenue. We lived in a house right across from the church. I walked up to the door and had a sense that somebody was in the house. I didn’t say anything to my wife. But I felt that there was somebody in the house. I opened the door and went into the living room and walked around in the bedroom and bath and other bedrooms and looked around and didn’t see anything. I turned around and went into the kitchen. We had a basement door and hooked a wire hook that locked it and that night that hook was not hooked. I thought that whoever was in the house was in the basement. I opened the door and went down in the basement and looked all around and still didn’t see anything. I was wondering and thinking and went to bed that night. At about three in the morning I was awakened from sleep. I woke up wide awake. I looked out the window and saw a car come up to the intersection.
I turned my head to the right and then I saw it. It was about six feet tall but I was lying in the bed. I was looking down diagonally toward my wife’s side of the bed. He had wings. Everything was bending together. There were feathers. Two wings that came out to points, like a wing. His eyes were sunk into his head. He had a head that was formed with his shoulders [apparently it had no neck] and wings down both sides. Down from his hips it was kind of a robe-like thing. From his hips down it was different. No seams. No trousers… more like a robe.
L. A.: What did the thing look like?
L. G.: A silver glow, but it wasn’t bright and sunny, but it was lit up. It had the wickedest spirit I have ever felt. I couldn’t say anything; my voice was choked… I couldn’t make it work. I was paralyzed with fear. It overwhelmed me…. I knew the only thing I could do was plead the blood of Jesus. I kept repeating it over and over. Little by little it faded away. It went into nothing and was gone. And all of its wickedness went with it.
L. A: Can you describe in detail what the thing you saw looked like? Did it have a face? Did you see its eyes and were they hypnotic in any way? What did you feel when you first saw it? How did your body react to it?
L. G.: The presence I saw standing on the right side of the bed at the foot was about six feet tall. It was a dirty lunar color that glowed somewhat. It was a dim glow, but a glow. It had a face that had sunken places for eyes, but it was clear they were looking at me and I looked at it. I was frozen with fear from the feeling of the evil power in the room. It was the personification of evil. Evil is like a pain; you cannot see it but you know when it is there.
L. A.: How did it make you feel while you looked at it?
L. G.: I felt awful. I felt afraid. I knew the devil couldn’t get me, but the wicked presence froze me. I lost control, I was overcome with fear. I was totally engulfed in what was there.
L. A.: You mention that you had an overwhelming feeling of evil. Can you explain this? In our interview you use the word wicked … can you elaborate on this?
L. G.: Wicked is a term used in the Scripture and when it is used it described the condition of right and good being completely abandoned. It is the total opposite of righteousness – that’s the devil. You feel that, when the devil is close by.
L. A.: You mention that as you started to pray it was like salt being poured over a snail. What do you mean by that?
L. G.: It was like pouring salt on a snail… it went into nothing.
L. A.: Did he go into another dimension?
L. G.: He disappeared… he was gone. Back into nothingness. A snail turns into nothing, and, like that, he was gone.
L. A.: What happened next?
L. G.: Here’s where my wife… she doesn’t remember me trying to wake her up. I thought that I woke her up. The night was over and the presence was gone, there was nothing in the house.
L. A.: Were you able to say anything to the creature, or was it mental?
L. G.: No, I was froze up. It was mental… a mental prayer.
L. A.: Did you say anything else besides the blood of Jesus?
L. G.: Over and over in my mind I kept saying the blood… the blood has power… dear Jesus, the blood of Jesus.
L. A.: So you used your spiritual weapons?
L. G.: Right. I had no defense with Lucifer. I had no defense with anything with my flesh. No weapons, no defense. All I could use was the scriptures. I knew the scripture and made a stand. It all happened so fast. It was done and he was gone… Alleluia.
The devil today, he’s around, but people can defeat him through the Word. That’s the only way we can defeat him.
L. A.: Where do you think this is all heading?
L. G.: Well, I think that right now God is letting Lucifer have his way with the morals of our nation. People can enjoy the pleasures of this world. The church is losing their perspective. What is happening in Iraq and the Middle East ties into the endtimes….
L. A.: Why do you think it went after you?
L. G.: Well. I’m not bragging on myself. As a young man I prayed a lot. I was trying to put into practice everything I knew. The Lord filled me with his Spirit, and I was trying to get close to the Lord. I think the devil didn’t like it. The devil is trying to get in your way. People who lead lukewarm lives, the devil leaves them alone, and that’s my opinion. You pursue God, and he will come close to you…
L. A.: Now that it is years later, how has seeing the Mothman changed your life?
L. G.: I can tell, as far as changing it. It makes the Bible more real when I read it. I know there is a devil, [fallen angel] because I saw him with my own eyes.
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One interesting aspect of this interview was this. While recalling the experience, Lawrence began to feel overwhelmed by the memory of it and so we stopped, prayed and then continued. I was amazed at even after all these years, this wicked Being, still caused fear to well up inside him….
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