D.S.: I don’t work for any particular organization. I am the director of the New Jersey UFO Congress and Conference.
L.A.: Okay. And you’ve been into this for how long?
D.S.: About 30 years, a little over 30 years.
L.A.: And you’ve seen lots of craft?
D.S.: Yes, I’ve seen practically everything there is to see as the stuff goes. I’ve been concentrating more on the “stuff ” that’s closer to the ground than the lights in the sky at this point.
L.A.: You’ve been investigating a woman by the name of Allison Cruz. Tell us about her.
D.S.: Allison Cruz is a relatively new UFO researcher. She’s been documenting some very strange orb activity by her house.
L.A.: When you say orb, define that. D.S.: Flying spheres of light.
D.S.: Of various colors.
L.A.: Kind of like the foo fighters of WWII?
D.S.: Exactly. Same type of phenomenon. She got bit by the bug trying to find out what these things are. She’s put a lot of her own time and money and energies into trying to capture good footage. She probably has some of the best footage available.
L.A.: Where is this footage located? Where was it shot?
D.S.: Right in Murrysville, Pennsylvania.
L.A.: Okay, how far is that from where we are now in Hamilton, New Jersey? D.S.: It’s a good five hour drive.
L.A.: So, western Pennsylvania?
D.S.: Western Pennsylvania, yeah.
L.A.: So tell me what we’re looking at here; this is fascinating.
D.S.: What she captured in her night vision was one of these bright orbs, something that’s fairly common. The only difference with this one is it’s shooting a laser down to the ground, or a light down to the ground. Now people will say it’s just a helicopter. We checked to see what was in the area, so we know it’s nothing commercial, nothing military. If you look at a helicopter with night vision, because the friction on the tips (of the propellers), it leaves a halo that you can see on the top and the bottom of the helicopter. People who do this know that. It would be nice if that fact was out there a little more.
L.A.: And there’s no halo in this footage. Tell us how big this particular orb was? Was there any way for her to discern how big this light in the sky was that was shooting down beams of light?
D.S.: We don’t have any type of measuring technique for something like that. No, but I think it was a pretty big craft.
L.A.: Did she hear any noise while she was filming this? D.S.: No. These things are completely silent.
L.A.: Were there other witnesses to this?
D.S.: Yes, there were. She’s had the department of homeland security chief from Pennsylvania in some of these sightings. She’s had police officers in the woods while these things are over their head. You can’t see them with your eyes, but you can see them with the night vision. The police are aware of it and from what I understand, they have been told by the government of Pennsylvania not to speak on the subject.
L.A.: How many reports are you getting from people from New Jersey seeing craft, seeing balls of light, anomalies in the sky? Are you getting reports on a daily basis? Weekly basis? Is it peaking? Is it burgeoning? Is it lessening? What’s going on?
D.S.: New Jersey by and large is fairly quiet, but it has been picking up some. New York has been picking up. Pennsylvania (too), and the states up north. L.A.: What are people seeing?
D.S.: They’re seeing the orbs. We don’t seem to be getting a lot of the lenticular craft, you know, the classic UFO shapes.
L.A.: Cigar shape, disc shape? Like what happened in Stephenville, Texas, a few years ago? Ricky Sorrells saw a mile-wide craft.
D.S.: It seems the further south you get like (in) Texas, (the more) they seem to film that stuff like it’s going out of style.
L.A.: There seem to be two paradigms which people can embrace regarding the UFO phenomenon. One paradigm of course is that these are extraterrestrials from “Zeta Reticuli,” the ancient alien/ancient astronaut theory. That they’ve been coming to earth for thousands of years, and now they’re visiting us again! The other side of the aisle, as it were, is that no, these are not extraterrestrials, these are inter-dimensional beings. Jacques Vallee wrote about this in his book, Messengers of Deception. What paradigm do you hold to and why?
D.S.: I take a beating from…especially from the “newbies” because these guys don’t have any time in on this. They don’t have any research. They haven’t read Valle (Jacques Vallee’s Messengers of Deception) That’s probably why I came over into the other camp as I wasn’t seeing these coming from outer space…even in my mid-twenties. They’ll (the UFOs) pop into a valley. They’ll pop in and pop out. Some of them will go up, but by and large they’ll be cruising across and poof, they’re gone!
L.A.: They’re gone…
D.S.: That’s standard operating procedure. That’s how that’s running. L.A.: So you lean toward the inter-dimensional?
D.S.: I am full on inter-dimensional. You get people who say, you see them around the ISS (International Space Station), but you get into the modern physics model and you realize this could all be a big program. (See Chuck Missler’s interview about the digital simulation)
L.A.: The holographic universe…
D.S.: Yes, this could be inserted wherever it needs to be inserted.
L.A.: Speaking about Jacques Vallee’s book, Messengers of Deception, from Vallee’s point of view these beings, whatever they are, seem to lie and do so habitually. Your thoughts.
D.S.: He makes a very good point and he takes it across the timeline saying that in the 1300s you had the hidden commonwealth, and there were gnomes and fairies and they would abduct people. And if you didn’t eat their food, which was usually buckwheat pancakes…
D.S.: …and you were able to escape…yet there was a time differential when you got back to the village. Now you move that to the 1800s, you have these air ships. These people would land…you have engineers who saw these things and talked to the people there and they would say, “I don’t know how the thing operated but they offered me buckwheat pancakes!” Then you move into the late 1950s and 1960s and you have aliens and UFOs, and the people offer them buckwheat pancakes. And one guy had one analyzed and it was just a buckwheat pancake!
D.S.: Well the common thread is the buckwheat pancake, but the real thing is…what you’re seeing is that, whatever this is, it’s presenting itself to each generation in the vernacular that generation can understand. It will be gnomes and fairies, it will be dirigibles, and it will be UFOs. So whatever it is, it’s changing itself to meet whatever is going on in our society at that time. And that’s the deception; it’s presenting itself as one thing, as this, as something else. It could be Zeta Reticuli here, a reptilian there, whatever it wants to show us, and that’s the dangerous part. That’s the deception of the whole thing. We know that everything that is truthful is done in the light.
L.A.: It seems that whatever or whoever these beings are present themselves, in whatever period of time they manifest, in a way in which the local populace at the time can understand. Is that what you’re saying?
D.S.: Take the Marian apparitions you get: the one in Egypt at the Coptic Church and other previous sightings. It doesn’t look like a Marian apparition to me, but whoever “they” are try to put it in a way that people can accept it so they’re not frightened of it. When a UFO guy like me is looking at this, it doesn’t look any different from the stuff I’m filming. It’s (The Marian apparition in Egypt) popping in and then you see it collapse in on itself.
L.A.: I saw that, sure.
D.S.: It’s the same phenomenon, and the people who have been in it a long time realize that all of this is associated phenomena.
L.A.: Now when you say the same phenomenon, what are you tracing this back to? What do you believe the source of the phenomenon is? Who’s behind this?
D.S.: I mean, being an ancient text guy…and even as a young ufologist, I always called it The Shining One because that’s how Lucifer is referred to in those texts; and when you see these things up close, and when they’re in full manifestation, The Shinning One is exactly a great description of it. I mean its brightness that you can’t describe.
L.A.: So without putting words in your mouth, do you think that the phenomenon is benevolent or malevolent, good or evil?
D.S.: You can get guys on both sides of the fence. When I see benevolence it is done “above board.” It’s not something that’s hidden away. I don’t think cattle and human mutilations are a
benevolent situation. Let’s face it. At this point in the game it looks malevolent to me.
L.A.: Where do you think this is headed? There are craft, UFOs which are being seen everywhere, so where is this going? What is the end game here? What do you see happening in the not-to-distant future?
D.S.: I think that if we have to go by ancient texts, what they’re saying is going to happen. There has to be paradigm shift. What do we have out there that could change the paradigm so
much that it could have the church folk and the very elect leave the churches.
L.A.: Be deceived.
D.S.: The last big paradigm shift was Jesus. Let’s face it, He changed the whole operation. It has to be something that big, even bigger. It has to be someone feeding hundreds of thousands of people with loaves and fishes. The only thing we have sitting out there right now is the UFO/ alien stuff. So guys like me are looking to that. I mean when you’re amongst that community, you think, “Hey, this stuff is going to pop any second,” you know? (When) you step away from it a little bit you gain perspective. You realize, it is happening, it’s moving forward at a fast rate. The funny thing that a lot of people don’t realize is that the early church fathers, let’s say 40 to 60 years after Jesus’ death, were saying somewhere around 2012 something is going to happen. So, we’re in those times. Something’s going to pop; as far as what it is, I’m not entirely sure, but I have a feeling I’ll be able to pick it off as soon as it comes around. What I believe is that guys like me and like yourself are going to be the heretics. Because we’re going to be the holdouts saying, “You guys need to second think what’s going on here.” It’s going to be that big, and we don’t know what this is about. We don’t know whether it’s good alien/ bad alien, or if this is real or fake, but we need to slow down and parse this out a little bit.
L.A.: Right, right.
D.S.: And that’s my mission basically. Not being a guy thumping Bibles and going at it like that, but people need to know there’s another narrative. One’s going to right and one’s going to wrong. Choose wisely at this point.
L.A.: We hear reports of some sort of a breeding program. We interviewed Dr. Jacobs recently who believes that the breeding program has reached its zenith. That these hybrid beings can now pass as fully human. In Dr. Jacobs’ words, he believes that they are now integrating into society. What have you heard about the hybrid program, and what are your thoughts regarding that?
D.S.: It was in one of Ingo Swan’s talks (he started the remote viewing program for the U.S. government) where he states that he was walking through the city streets and he sensed one of these things. He walks past it and then turns around; he looks behind him and he sees the individual looks human, but it has stopped and is looking at him. He says at that point you run like crazy, because it’s not a good thing to let them know you are aware of them!
L.A.: Have you had contact with people (who have) or have you had contact yourself with hybrid beings?
D.S.: It’s hard to vet that type of thing because it’s supernatural. L.A.: Thanks for coming on the record.
D.S.: It’s been my pleasure!
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