Sunday Go To Meeting Bun!
Posted by lamarzulli on January 13, 2013
Sunday Bun
by
L. A. Marzulli
1 Corinthians 12: 9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
Continuing our study in Corinthians 12. Last week we discussed calling out to God for wisdom. I don’t think there’s one person on the planet who would say he or she is wise enough and therefore doesn’t need more wisdom!
As Paul continues his list of the gifts of the Spirit of the Living God, he says this: To another faith by the same Spirit;
Let’s take a look at this. The word faith in the Greek is: pistis – (Strongs G4102)
1) conviction of the truth of anything, belief; in the NT of a conviction or belief respecting man’s relationship to God and divine things, generally with the included idea of trust and holy fervour born of faith and joined with it
a) relating to God
1) the conviction that God exists and is the creator and ruler of all things, the provider and bestower of eternal salvation through Christ
b) relating to Christ
1) a strong and welcome conviction or belief that Jesus is the Messiah, through whom we obtain eternal salvation in the kingdom of God
In Hebrews 11:6 we read: But without faith [it is] impossible to please [him]: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and [that] he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
This is the classic faith chapter in which the writer of Hebrews – I believe it was Paul – lists those, who by faith walked with God. They believed and were steadfast and sure, that He was/is the God who is there. In other words they had faith that when they prayed He would hear and answer their prayer. These heroes we read about in the Bible were men and women just like us.
There are times in our life when we look at circumstances and throw our hands in the air and say, I quit! I’ve had enough! It’s at these times, which can sometimes be the nadir of our lives, that we need to ask God for the faith to carry us through. There are scriptures we can use to bolster our faith in these times, to wash our minds with the word of God. We can say: And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose. Romans 8:28
When we say that verse, when we speak it over ourselves over the situation, our circumstances may be horrible but by saying this scripture we are moving in faith, believing that He will work all things out for the good, no matter what it looks like to us. It’s at this point where the gift of faith can kick in and with that give us peace that passes understanding.
I believe the gift of faith goes hand in had with the gift Paul mentions directly afterward , which is healing. One must have faith to believe God will heal. We have been praying for Pastor Hector on this Blog. Hector has cancer and he’s down to 90 lbs. He’s a man of faith and is waiting for God’s hand to move on him. When I saw him last I prayed over him and I also find myself praying for him throughout the day, believing God will act and heal.
There is also the gift of healing. I have moved in this gift once and it was in a church setting. I had finished a worship set and the Holy Spirit was all over the congregation, hovering, wanting to work. I had a word of knowledge, and I spoke it out, in faith. I said, there is someone here who has a something wrong with your shoulder. No one said anything and so we went on with the service. At the end I was praying for people, when two women made their way in front of me. One of them was crying. I still didn’t see what was happening, and it wasn’t until the other women, the one who wasn’t crying, told me her friend was the one with the dislocated shoulder. It was then I noticed the sling! She went to the doctor the next day and the doctor was amazed that her shoulder had healed so quickly! The gift of healing was in operation and I was but a conduit for it. It is certainly not something I can turn on and off, and it is not the junk we see on TV with the hucksters yelling HEAL, and then slapping someone on the head. The Holy Spirit gave a word of knowledge, by faith I moved on it, and then a woman was healed. How can we argue with this? How can we say we don’t want this? If you had your shoulder in a sling and were healed what would you say?
In closing todays bun. I believe the gifts of the Holy Spirit are for today. The gift of faith and healing are needed in this crazy world in which we find ourselves. The Holy Spirit is the administer of these gifts and they are given on a case by case basis. We can’t turn them on and off at will. By faith we ask for what is needed, or sometimes He uses us to call out a healing, as in the case with the woman with the dislocated shoulder. To the Christian, this should be the norm. Waiting on God to see what He wants to do and moving as His spirit directs us. Asking for the gift of faith is a good thing and we as a church should embrace it!
Please continue to pray for Hector!
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Barbara in VA said
LA: Thank you so much on these teachings about the Gifts. I grew up in a denomination that denied that the Gifts were still viable. It was years before I knew without a doubt that they were definitely active. Even in my ignorance, the Holy Spirit was working in me without my recognizing it as a “gift”. My coming to terms with this has been a slow process, but I have been an eager student. However, I’ve also been a cautious student because of all the crazy things I’ve seen on TV that were called what they weren’t. Again, thank you for your clear and very timely teaching!
@ Corey: I just now read your comment #24 from yesterday and want to assure you that since I was very young (which was many years ago), I have believed in “once saved, always saved”. I make very few comments on this blog for a number of reasons. The comment you were referring to was made because I am very concerned with some false teachings which are evident by those who comment on this site–but I refuse to get into doctrinal discussions. My beliefs are entrenched; but I am concerned about newer, baby Christians who come to this site and may be led astray because of the many, many changes made in translations other than the KJV. The KJV is not an idol–I have two parallel Bibles–one New Testament with eight translations and one of the whole Bible with 4 translations. These are good for study and comparison–and they also show some glaring differences that are proof of the many errors and even of heresy in the newer versions.
God has been so good to me and so forgiving of my confessesed (and probably even unconfessed) sins and mistakes for all these many years. My love for my Saviour and King is boundless and I praise Him every day and am anxiously looking for His soon return!
May God richly bless everyone who reads LA’s blog and may He increase your understanding of His Word. And may He put the peace that He promised in all your hearts; and also the brotherly love that He actually requires of His children! Amen!
Darla H. said
Hi Barbara,
I too was happy about what Corey posted yesterday about “Once saved” and I am going to study it” I believed that way most of my walk then I stared really seeing the ERASER thing going on..I posted stuff on the blog a few weeks ago but no one could really “refute” the eraser thing..I was actually hoping someone would..Now with what Corey posted I can look at this with a new set of eyes….
People say on here all the time..’I rarely post because”…people need to share what they have…this is what it means when we say “Iron sharpening Iron” Lets sharpen each other..not with malice but with more of a curiosity for lack of a better way of stating it.
I would have loved to have seen Corey’s post weeks ago when we were speaking about his subject…I do not like the ERASER thing but no one was refuting the scripture I put out there…I HOPE i was wrong! I do not like the ERASER thing…..I never believed in that most of my walk but I had no way to refute those scripture..Corey gave some viable things to ponder which makes me sooooooo happy. Let us be Iron sharpening Iron!
John Michael said
Darla,
Forget about the eraser, God writes our names in the book of life with ink.
May Peace reign in your heart and mind,
Michael
Darla H. said
John,
I always have to UNDERSTAND why I believe the way I do..
It says always be ready to give an account for what and why you believe the way you do….I do not just believe because someone tells me to…I have to have the understanding…..Understanding IS THE GOOD GROUND….
Blessings
julehair said
I loved the conversation between Corey and Darla,made me laugh and very uplifting.
LA’s Bun is great I have been praying for Wisdom and Discernment quite a bit I am always looking for knowledge listening to LA and other Watchers and Pastors through podcasts,etc. but there is always in the back of my mind that time is precious and I don’t want to waste time listening to someone false. I seek knowledge from LA and the participants from this blog daily I have always felt safe here and come to worship as well as learn.
I will now be praying for gifts in the spirit Alas I still have a lot of work ahead of me to be worthy.
I thank The Lord for LA’s ministry and all of you,and Father lift up Pastor Hector and give him Healing in Jesus’ Name
Amen!!
LookingUp said
Rev 3:5, “He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.” “Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?” 1 John 5:5. We are overcomers because we believe in Jesus, not because of anything else. That our name will not be blotted out of the book of life is a promise, not a threat.
Rev 13:8 and 17:8 both say all of the names were written in the book of life before the foundation of the world, so, from before the beginning of time, God already had the names of all believers throughout history in the book. Jesus said of those whom the Father has given Him, not one would be lost. God does not contradict Himself. If Scripture clearly teaches one thing – like the complete work of Christ, i.e., eternal security of believers – but there is a verse that seems to contradict it, then our understanding of that verse is wrong.
It all goes back to exactly how much did Christ accomplish for us. Did He only do half the job? Did He start the job of our salvation and leave it up to us to finish? That is not what my Bible teaches. The nano-second we believe, we are washed in the blood of the Lamb, every sin past, present and future forgiven, and then we are justified – pronounced NOT GUILTY – from that point on. We are set apart for His use. We become IN Christ and Christ becomes IN us, so the Father sees us with Christ’s righteousness, not our own. We are sealed by the Holy Spirit Who permanently indwells us and is given to us as a pledge of our future inheritance as adopted children of the Father. God’s faithfulness to us doesn’t depend on our faithfulness to Him – “If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.” 2 Timothy 2:13. To desert us because of our unfaithfulness would mean that He would have to deny the promises He has made to us in His Son and desert the Holy Spirit that is in us, too. Impossible.
This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Gal 3:2
Jesus started it, and He’ll finish it – I am confident of this very thing, that He Who began a good work in me will be faithful to complete it until the day of Christ Jesus. Phil 1:6
Disobedience has consequences, but separation from God here or in the hereafter is not one of them. Praise the Lord.
Maranatha!
Darla H. said
Very cool Julehair….
…Very cool…I will pray for gifts for you too…be blessed 
It was late last night and Corey and I were laughing hard….The dog thing was truly funny…I know we were a bit chatty to so i told him we could use my email too just in case some came back and said we were too chatty…..This is my fellowship time…it is fun to laugh a little to….then our posts were getting out of sync so we had to find our replies…we looked crazy so i was a bit worried about how it was viewed….It has been quite a while since PURE laughter for me…i have laughed a lot since I have been on this blog….not that I want to make light of this blog because I cherish it….sometimes funny though
Darla H. said
and Julehair,,,
You are already worthy without works…..It is His blood and being washed in it that made you worthy…..blessing
Claudia said
Beautifully said, LookingUp, great scriptures!
Jesus started it, and He’ll finish it – I am confident of this very thing, that He Who began a good work in me will be faithful to complete it until the day of Christ Jesus. Phil 1:6
I have a plaque in my bathroom, “Be patient, God is not finished with me!”
He does have a unique purpose for each of us, here and in eternity. (do I dare use the word “purpose” and chance being accused of following Rick Warren?).
I follow no man, having every confidence in He Who is within me, to eventually bring me to Complete Understanding, and to encourage me along the way to keep learning, and never be content with what is learned so far.
Claudia said
I’ve got a question regarding the topic “Once saved always saved.”
I know someone in my family that was saved in a large church, in her 20′s. Unlike me, who preferred small gatherings, and to be with God alone in the woods, she actively participated in her large church, sang on stage, went to all the extra provided ministries, always there to carry out works, went overseas at least three times, totally expressed love to Jesus as her Lord. Refrained from breaking the 10 commandments, prayed alot. She was friends with the pastors, and their families. 7 to 8 years passed. I sensed something in our conversations that was different….her words relected a different mind.
She was honest about her state of mind, when I asked, and told me that she no longer believed in God, that there were too many contridictions in the Bible, and told me of the extreme emotions that she went through coming to this conclusion. She is still a very honest person, giving, keeps the commandments as an honorable way of living life, befriends others, helps them, is always there for them. Maintains her friendships with her church friends. She is now a member of some sceptic organization, and knows the President of the Athiest Society here in America. The only thing she lacks, is giving credit to God, to Jesus Christ. She believes that man makes their own fate.
Was she saved? Was she turned off by having something revealed amongst her christian environment that was hypocritical? Will Jesus continue to walk with her, or carry her, and restore her faith….perhaps bringing many of her athiest friends along with her when the things she has been taught start to happen?
I have read scriptures in the Bible that concern these things, but cannot determine if they are referring to someone who KNOWS God is real, but than chooses satan as a better vehicle for getting their desires met…..or are they referring to someone who really never believed in the first place and were pretending for their own gain. I know she was not either of these I just mentioned. She was very sincere in her faith in Jesus Christ.
Comments? Opinions? Answers?
LookingUp said
That’s one of the tuff ones, Claudia. Like Eric always says, we can’t judge hearts, and there’s no way you can know for sure if she was/is truly saved. Jesus said He would not loose one that is His. I believe Him. Lots of people look like they’re walking the walk, but it’s all in their own power. The whole social gospel looks like that.
When someone tells me the Bible is full of contradictions, I ask for an example. Most of them haven’t ever picked up a Bible much less read it enough to find any contradictions. There are some great books available on apologetics. I would get one, read it first, and then give it to her. We all know “believers” who are enough to chase just about anyone away from the faith, but then, people will use anything for an excuse to deny the Lord. Deception and rebellion go hand and hand.
I’ll be praying for wisdom for you both.
Darla H. said
My thought is she was not on a STRONG foundation..She was DOING all the right things but did she REALLY have a strong foundation of her faith…I would say NO…..Many people get saved just because their friends did…it is like salvation by association almost instead of having a true salvation moment where the Holy Spirit brings you into it…this is where GOOD discipleship has been lost….
Darla H. said
Even people who backslide can have a good foundation but because of lack of operation of gifts in the Body many go “back” because the strongholds and “YUCK” from their past is not being dealt with after salvation…
Claudia said
Thank you for your comments. She sent me a book written by an athiest, signed copy….and I tore it apart, analytically, the points he was making and the examples he used in the Bible to support his opinions. But, she is pretty hard right now. She used to read those books written by men about apologetics and things….some of them are very good.
I also felt that she might have been led into the church on a social basis, with faith in man (which of course will always let you down, unless supported by God)….and than something happened that crashed that faith in man claiming to be godly. She is very smart, and looks up to the scientific method of proving things (satans ploy). I keep telling her that man and his science is so ignorant compare to what is yet unknown. Man learns a little and tries to use it to see, not realizing that they are not yet equipped to see properly….anything that was fashioned by God…so far beyond their understanding.
I have shared with her all the latter day prophecies and told her that when you see these things happening that were given to God’s prophets thousands of years ago….you may start believing again. Especially the one about the 5th and 6th trumpet events.
Even if there is a removal of the church…a cutting off of Christianity…a making meaningless the Sacrifice….before the trumpets tribulation starts, she will still be here if she is sincere in her lack of faith, and that knowledge, that seed, will help her have faith for the rest of it. Not a good ride tho….to have to go through the Wrath. But…you know what…..those who come to faith after the rapture may be there to help many others not be deceived by the 5th and 6th trumpet events….UFO/demon spirits, fallen angels, etc. Tho my personal believe is that all Christians will be here until the sounding of the 7th and last trump. We will get to witness against the false god, and caution folks to wait, endure a bit longer!
I type over 80 words a minute…..so it is easy for me to blab away. I apologize for my lengths!
Thank you Darla, and thank you, LookingUp. Pray for God’s Will to be done.
Barbara in VA said
LookingUp: A perfect answer to a really good question! Thank you and God bless you!
Maranatha
Apod said
Claudia,
If your friend is open enough to read a book I highly recommend the new book by Robert Jeffress called How Can I Know. I listened to all the sermons he did on this book and thoroughly enjoyed how he presented all the material. I started reading it myself and it is almost word for word from his sermons so I can recommend it while not having finished the book yet. My wife and I plan on ordering a couple of extra copies and giving them to unsaved family members.
God bless,
Apod
Kirk Domitrovic said
I think one person on this section of this blog today needs to read…
Revelation 3:5
“He who overcomes shall thus be clothed in white garments;
and I will NOT erase his name from the Book of Life,….”
Written in INK, huh?
How about Exodus 32:32-33, or Psalm 69:28….
plus others in 1 Timothy and 2 Timothy and other passages too.
It is one thing to struggle in life and yet God is FAITHFULto help
us when we cry out to Him in sincerity.
BUT…
IF SOMEONE MAKES A CONSTANT, DELIBERATE, DETERMINED
EFFORT TO REJECT CHRIST…
THEN THEY HAVE TURNED FROM GOD’s GRACE.
THAT is a place NO PERSON wants to CHOOSE to be.
SALVATION IS OURS … TO CHOOSE or TO REJECT.
Claudia said
Yes, Kirk, I have read that. I hope that God’s Grace will lead her out of her “arrogance” in time.
I also hope what with all the things that are happening now, that God said would happen, that I am correct in the Daniel 9 thing that the orthodox church men/councils made a mistake when they interepreted the “sevens” as being a week of years…winding up with 490 years total, broken up into 434 years, 49 years, and 7 years. The decree to rebuild and restore Jerusalem by Cyrus, King of Persia went out some where around 538BC. The temple was rebuilt and destroyed again in 70 AD. Totally not inline with the timeline given by Daniel if it is to be interpreted as 490 years.
If I am correct….and the math I did, recognizing the “sevens” as being an individual Sacred Year within each year of the Jewish Calendar….which is less confusing than the one that requires a GAP from when Christ was crucified (and even that date is not in line with their interpretations) until the peace treaty which hasn’t happened yet (which they also think by the same possible error, is a 7 year peace treaty, but it might be a one year peace, broken after 6 months.)… than when and if we get a peace treaty prior to the trumpet wars, it will be interesting to see if it is broken six months later. If I am right, it would show her that God put it right in the Bible, and that man can make mistakes in their understanding of the Bible. This might help her believe in God instead of man.
A literal 70 Sacred Years for the Jews could have started with the Israeli state we have now. Much of Daniel was about latter times…and the coming antichrist system/dragon take over. If they start working on a peace treaty sometime within their Sacred year of March through September, of 2013 and get it resolved at the end of September,….a complete six months from that time would bring them to the start of the Sacred Year in 2014, which is bracketed by Red Moons. April 1st through October 16th (depending on whether one uses a lunar or solar set for the SY’s. If the trumpet battles started with Israel winning the first three and the sons of dark winning the next three….it would bring us through the 5th 6th Trumps which are all about the fallen angels/ demons/ etc. I could see that happening during the Red Moon bracketed SY in 2015 from March through first part of October. Both 2015 and 2016 have exactly 45 days between the last day of Unleavened Bread and Pentecost. 2016 would be a good time for the 1,335th day in which those who wait are blessed. If the dragon/UFO’s come in 2015, by the time 2016 comes around he will be ready to claim godhead, having deceived most of the world. That of course would also be when the 7th trump sounds and they are all gathered for the battle of Armeggeton…to complete the Wrath around the end of 2017, if the starting point of the 70 SY’s was 11/29/1947 when the UN set aside that land over there for a returning home for the Israelis. Anyway….if all this came to pass….and the math was there in the Bible and man misunderstood it, this young woman would have reconsider her stand that man is superior to God! The 70 literal years could do all the same things, according to our interpretations of the sacrifice being taken away and all of it…..and it is less confusing. God is not going to try to confuse man….satan is. We will see.
Thank you for suggesting that book by Robert Jeffress called How Can I Know. I will get it.
Claudia said
By the way, I was expecting Israel to missle Iran in 2013, but if this peace talk starts that would delay things according to what I posted above. Of interest also is that if you start counting the 42 months of the antichrist system from the moment that the elections were possibly rigged, in the fall by blocking voter ID, the 42 months would be up around March of 2016, which would be the 1,260th day, and the 1,290th day would be in April, and the 1,335th day would be in June of 2016. Not prediction or prophesy, just applying possible math that may have been put in the Bible for our preparedness.
LookingUp said
Did talk about it, Kirk, about 10 or 11 posts up from yours.
Darla H. said
Now we are back to square one again on the subject of once saved always saved …I think…I believe a few weeks ago I brought up all the the” blotting out” scriptures which made a few pretty mad…But we must ask the questions right…why these scriptures (like what Kirk wrote as did I weeks prior) and why other scriptures like what LU put out there…we cannot negate the ones that Kirk is talking about…they are in the scripture……I am just throwing it out there….not making any judgments on any of it…
Darla H. said
Last night Corey brought up the subject about “the book of life” possibly being different than “the LAMBS book of life”…I had never thought of that so I wanted to do some study on this…..
Julia said
Faith is obtained by going through much affliction,to all who are spirit filled and called by God they understand that it was a time in their life when the only genuine help was to look up out of their furnace of affliction.Isaiah 48 V 10-12……Behold,I have refined thee,but not with silver;I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.For mine own sake,will I do it:for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.Hearken unto me,oh Jacob and Israel,my called;I am he;I am the first,I also am the last.
It is no surprise to me to see that L A stepped out in faith and was moved by the Holy Spirit(without reservation)& God healed someone through him.
You Mr.Marzulli are a chosen vessel set aside for God’s glory,you showed that yesterday by your retraction before your sheep were scattered and turn away to a false teaching.I have only seen such a Man Of God by John McTernan’s site whose book you offer here.He is such a blessing as you are L A.When two agree as touching anything it shall be done…I’m in agreement with you for the healing of Hector.God Bless Your Ministry.
Julia
Eric W. said
Amen and Good Word/Bun today. Thank you Pastor L.A.
Keeping Pastor Hector in prayer!
amaezed said
Yes, L.A., Amen and thank you!
Your church here is thriving and flourishing! After you give us a message, then we break up into small groups! (:o)
James said
It is true the gifts of the holy spirit are for today. My wife was miraculously cured of the blood clot that ran from her hip to her ankle in her right leg. Almost overnight according to the test. Of course most people especially the medical industry doubts that it was a miracle. We know it to be true. The people here had been praying for my wife to be healed. Steve Quail and his people were praying for her to be healed. So many people from all over the world were praying and she was healed. It is a testament that I shall be sharing for the rest of my life.
Kristen said
That’s a fantastic testimony!! Praise God for her healing
LookingUp said
Amen, James. Thanks for sharing.
Twenty-five years ago, my mother had cancer of the soft palate in her mouth. She had smoked her whole life, and regardless of the fact that my step-dad had died of lung cancer, even after surgery she couldn’t free herself from the habit/addiction. My ten-year-old daughter and I went to visit her one day, layed hands on her and prayed for her deliverance. She never smoked another cigarette.
James said
I was a visitor at a church one time and saw a woman drop unconscious from a seizure in the middle of Sunday school. Her husband told us to stand back and just let it go. I kept thinking why is no one placing hands on her and praying that the demon of epilepsy will leave her. Even Jesus drove the demon of epilepsy out and said the only way to drive it out was through prayer. That was something I have been amazed at ever since it happened. I wish things had gone differently that day. If it did then my family and I might be more eager to go back.
Gary said
My family and I recently lost our home to a fire on New Years Eve, thankfully no one was injured. My prayers has been (and also my wife’s) is that folks would see our faith and the Lord Jesus Christ would be glorified. Our Church has be wonderful in our time of need, this alone has caused many family and friends to observe Christian love in action.
Faith can be difficult, especially in very adverse times but we must pray and trust that our prayers are being heard.
Eric W. said
Awesome testimony here in more ways than one.
Rose from Kentucky said
Gary, I am so sorry that you’ve lost your home. That is such a big blow: not just financially but emotionally. It does take tremendous faith and patience to overcome such an event.
God bless you and you have my prayers.
Gary said
Thank you for your wonderful comments!
Yes, God is good, all the time!
Elaine said
Gary! So sorry about your house but I thank God you still have your “Home” (Christ!)
nomemoleste said
Spiritual Parallels — because both Paul and Isaiah agree with Christ (Jesus / yeshua)
Eph. 6 … 1 Cor. 12 … Isa. 11 (Isa. 61)
(1) salvation (helm) … working of miracles … the spirit of the LORD (preach Good News)
(2) Word (sword) … prophecy … spirit of understanding (restore sight)
(3) peace (boots) … gifts of healing … spirit of counsel (heal broken hearts)
(4) truth (belt) … word of wisdom … spirit of wisdom (deliver the captives **)
(5) faith (shield) … faith … spirit of might (free the abused)
(6) righteous (vest) … word of knowledge … spirit of knowledge (proclaim debt forgiven)
(7) zeal (cloak) … discerning of spirits … spirit of fear of the LORD (vengeance, reverence ***)
(* Eph. 6 ~ Isaiah 59:17 … Luke 4 ~ Isa 61)
(** John 8:32 the truth shall set you free)
(*** Rom. 13 honor to whom honor is due, respect)
Just as in the Upper Room at Pentecost
- diverse kinds of tongues
- interpretation of tongues
Put on the Lord Jesus Christ! (Rom. 13:14)
nomemoleste said
Jesus is Yeshua — the Christ — the only actual Son of God
The Lamb of God — Slain to cover our sins
Resurrected, ascended, and soon returning!
(and definitely not in small case)
Julia said
Nomemoleste—-I really like what is written here,it makes so much sense and feel only the Holy Spirit could have revealed such knowledge.Thank You
Julia
Darla H. said
Hey Nome..Love you brother..just something quick…The slain Lamb doesn’t
“Cover” our sins..the slain Lamb “Cleanses/washed completely away”….The old Testament sacrifices “covered”….New covenant Cleanses….
Love ya
nomemoleste said
Darla, sister, I love it when we get to take a tour together! Iron sharpens iron.
Off to Hebrews then… to visit our High Priest and Chief Apostle.
Hebrews 10
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord,
I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us,
through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith,
having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, [contrast Jer. 17:9-10]
and our bodies washed with pure water. [see box below]
The commentators largely agree — our hearts are sprinkled by the blood of Christ (which of course is spiritual). “http://biblecommenter.com/hebrews/10-22.htm” (note: 1 Pt. 1:2)
Hebrews 9 (whole chapter helps even more)
18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law,
he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop,
and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these;
but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true;
but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
Inwardly, we are not only justified but sanctified by the blood of Christ. It’s not the “washing away of sin” (as in the song, Nothing but the Blood) that makes us holy, nor could be. It’s Christ’s Blood itself — His living spiritual blood in our spirits.
Compare Matt. 23
25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter,
but within they are full of extortion and excess.
26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within
the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
Your turn sister. Scriptures please.
Darla H. said
Nome…I just went through something and I need to rest for a while…I am going to respond but I need to rest and I want to respond brother….Yes ballin my court….I just cannot digest right now because of something external going on right now…be back soon/…look for my post…
Darla H. said
Nome give it to me in ONE paragraph…..where did I error in what I said…my mind is slow right now…give me paraphrase…your thoughts
nomemoleste said
You didn’t miss Darla. Sister, this is just refinement. The Old Testament shadows heralded the actual events. The OT priests anticipated Christ’s priesthood. And their practices reflected His acts.
In short, being covered by Christ’s blood is being sprinkled. As the Temple of God — we are sanctified by His blood. He only needs to do that once. His spiritual blood converts us — joins us to Him. We then carry His spiritual DNA. With Him we become able to sanctify as His help (and extension, branches). No more cleaning. More like being the cleaner.
In effect it’s the same end that you were pointing to. Sinless = justified. It’s done. Not that we don’t sin as in 1st John. When we do, forgiveness is in us as part of Him.
He said, my Words are Spirit and they are life. There’s a distinction between “water” and “blood.” Water of itself has no life. But Living Water is Blood. Life is is the blood. Also true in His Spirit.
John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing:
the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
So no worries about the Washing of the Water of the Word being distinct from the Life flow of His Blood. They work together like the members of the Body should.
When you say touché — I hear you. We can proceed again another day when you’re more well rested. I also remember the spider bite. So no heavy work out necessary.
Grace and peace, even the peace that passes all understanding!
Life said
The Spiritual Gifts and You
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To have the spiritual gifts working in our lives, we have to be very careful about what we say about other christians, especially about christians who have these spiritual gifts. As you learn more and more to yield to the Spirit, you will find that he will be grieved if you constantly criticize people. That doesn’t mean that we should never criticize, or discern things. But it has to be done IN THE SPIRIT. Judging and discerning is not for the flesh, or for the carnal mind. We cannot understand the workings of God. To keep the gifts going in our lives, we have to be in them also when discerning.
Remember Uzzah, who wanted to correct the Ark of the Covenant, when the cows seemed to be wandering out in the woods. He was burned to death. He thought he could steer the ark. No, we cannot steer the work of god. There is much that may look strange, or “out in the woods” among christians, but it is not our duty to make it right. It is the duty of the Holy Spirit, and he may use you, and he may not use you. Even if you watch something seemingly going wrong, it may be his will to use someone else to take the steering wheel.
So we must always listen to the voice of God in our hearts, and learn to only talk when he wants us to, and be quiet when he wants us to. By doing that, you will find that His gifts will abide in you, and you will grow, in wisdom and faith, as the Spirit more and more delights in you.
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Darla H. said
Good stuff LA,
We are all given a measure of faith. I want to share with you a testimony where God literally gave me an extra measure of faith for this particular situation.
This was in Alaska and four of us had been studying the word about healing and deliverance. We had been in the word heavy for about two weeks. We were living in a house which had an apartment downstairs. The gentleman who was living downstairs began to come upstairs because strange things were happening in his apartment. Over the course of a few days we ministered to this man. Then one day he came upstairs and it was as if he was trying to confess something. I told this man that the word of God states if you confess your sins God is faithful and just to forgive your our sins and cleanse you from all unrighteousness. Right then this man confessed to something pretty heavy. Right after he confessed I prayed for God to cleanse him. Right at that moment this man fell on our floor under the power of God. The four of us picked him up and carried him over to the couch. He was out! We were all just sitting there amazed at God when suddenly we heard growls coming up out of this man’s throat. The four of us went to him and we four layed hands on this man. Right when I was getting ready to put my hands on this man the Lord spoke to me and said “I want you to put one of your hands on his head and one of your hands on his heart”. I obeyed. Then the Lord spoke and said “Cast out any unclean spirit!”. I obeyed and said “In the name of Jesus, I cast out any unclean spirit!”. Right then this man came halfway off the couch three different times with growls coming up out of him. All four of us knew three unclean spirits came up out of this man. It was calm for about maybe half a minute. Then all of a sudden a deep ugly dark growl came up out of this man’s throat. Remember this man was still out! When this uglier growl made itself known, the Lord spoke and said “Cast out this spirit of death!” It was a command! I said “In the name of Jesus I cast out the spirit of death!”. Right then this man came up off the couch and slammed back down. All four of us heard this come up out of this man and literally walk through our kitchen and downstairs where this man lived. What happened next is the point that I’m trying to get to concerning faith. When this man came up off the couch and slammed back down on the couch once the spirit of death had left him, this man literally died. The spirit of death killed him on its way out of him. Remember one of my hands was on his heart and I knew he was dead because his heart had stopped. My brother who was laying hands on him also, knew this man had died because my brother had been in war and he knows the sound of a man’s last breath. The two sisters both knew he died and both started speaking the exact same tongue at the exact same time. My brother began pleading this man’s case before God. The room literally filled with the glory of God. A cloud so thick we could not see each other sitting next to each other on the floor around the couch. The Lord spoke and said “Now! Speak of the breath of life into this man!” It was another command! Now here’s my point. Right at that point another measure of faith was placed upon me. I could feel it. It was as if a mantle had been placed over my shoulders and I could feel the weight of it and I knew its name was faith. I literally could feel the weight of faith on me. There was no doubt in my mind God was going to do what His word says He will do. I prayed “In the name of Jesus, God breathed your breath of life back into this man!” Suddenly this man took a huge deep breath and we all saw his lungs fill with air. His heart began to beat again. Remember? My hand was on his heart. The glory of God filled the house. We couldn’t stand in the presence of it. We could get off of our knees. For weeks after this, we experienced supernatural things in our lives. Too much to explain now. My point is that we are all given a measure of faith, but when the time is right if the situation arises God himself will place an extra measure of faith upon your shoulders to get the job done. I will never forget that and it changed my walk completely.
I keep saying step out and I truly do mean that. Step out in the measure of faith that He has given you and if the situation arises He will give you that extra measure that is needed to get the job done.
I know this was lengthy but it’s a true testimony of faith and how God can give us more faith when needed.
I hope this encouraged..it does me every time I share it
Ally said
I believe you! I experienced something once in a prison ministry that I rarely share due to its “sensational” nature. But when peoples hearts are open to the Lord, salvations happen, healings happen and people get delivered! All Glory to Yeshua!
Darla H. said
We need to share..They overcame by the blood of the lamb and THE WORD OF THEIR TESTIMONY!
Darla H. said
I would also like to share…this was my FIRST experience casting out a demon…I had been studying it for 2 weeks prior…..I was a Dur Da Dur…..HGod walked me through the whole thing….The jump started the deliverance ministry God place on me which lead to SRA ministry……I ENCOURAGE you..step out in the gifts!!!!
Eric W. said
“Dur Da Dur”
^^ What’s this?
Darla H. said
A term I use for….not knowing what is going on..I was a Dur Da Dur….You have never heard this?
Darla H. said
When I do not get something for sure….I will call myself a Dur Da Dur..I thought everybody knew that term…must just be Montana
he he
Claudia said
Darla, I would think that your innocent and unwaivering faith allowed God to use you! God is so awesome! Bless you for being faithful.
Darla H. said
We could NOT get off out knees is how that was suppose to read..
Ally said
Standing in faith for Pastor Hector! And Barbara, since we don’t know what things wil be like over the next few months, I can’t firmly promise, but I would like to come down to SW Va in the spring for maybe 2 days and help you get your garden gowing the way you would like. If this is acceptable to you, please let me know. I’m no spring chicken either but between us we could probably accomplish almost any veggie garden need.
Eric W. said
After that you can come west to Ohio and say hi to me.
I hope it works out where some of us can somehow cross paths at conferences or something otherwise it’s going to be “If I don’t see you on the air, I’ll see you in the air!”
Darla H. said
You know Eric..it never even entered my mind that I would get on a blog…NEVER….then one day after to listening to LA on DNA I just popped in and now even though there has “been some days on here” I love seeing everyone daily….This is fellowship…..I just hope we can get to a place where we can all understand the term Iron sharping Iron….instead of the other..I love you guys!!
Ally said
I would love to Eric! I’m going to try very hard to go to the PITN conference this summer.
Darla, yep, this is a cool place with awesome people. Just try and remember there are Christians if all levels and denominations here and not evetybidy had had the teachings our experiences that the other have so….adjust expectations accordingly. God has it under control.
I have shared my prison ministry testimony here before and its adoozy. Very long story short. God knocked the guards out cold on the floor for over an hour. 3 of them. A woman had a very evil spirit and it came out, it didnt want to come out but it did and non too nicely. EVERY ONE in threat rom gave y their life to Christ. The funny thing was that want even the good part if the story (yes it was good) but aparently the entire thing occurred becausetherewas an Apostolic African American preacher supervising us who had ben taught that women in the church couldntbeusedfor more than wiping babys butts.
Of course my pastor, who I idolized, immediately kicked me and the other woman in our church out of the ministry because the spirit moved to strongly! (meaning the pastor wasnt there to receive the glory ) he wouldn’t even let us work in the food ministry any longer either. All if this broke my heart and I didn’t understand it at the time but I sure do now.
A. Always listen to God over man! No matter who that man is, preachers included.
B. Choose your pastor wisely. Lol. Thats why I’m here with LA. Cuz he follows A.
LA loves us. But he goes with God! He admits when he is wrong. And I know he has really been thru the wringer in his personal life for doing this. Yet he still stands faithful. Thats the kind of leader I want.
Love you all. You are my church family!
Barbara in VA said
Ally: You have been an inspiration to me with your comments and I would love to meet you. But, I must be honest–I’m old and set in my ways, so even though I appreciate your offer of gardening help, I must admit that I’m a very private person and have always been. There is a way I do things and any gardening I do will be as I feel like it which may not coincide with your visit. HOWEVER, I really would LOVE to meet you–how about if you get to Roanoke, I take you out to eat at a good restaurant and we can just sit and visit and get to know one another in person. That would cheer me and do me more good than “working” together. Then you could go to Ohio to meet Eric.
My husband used to tell people that I was allergic to “work” and whenever I sneezed he was just sure there was “work” to be done somewhere near by.
By the way, he was not only my husband, but my very best friend!
God bless you, my sister!
Maranatha
Darla H. said
Ally..sorry I was making breakfast…..I so appreciate your testimony…..many woman have gone through this type of excommunication…I am not going off on a whole woman thing here either..This is the very reason after so long I was released from the four walls so to speak. The lord directed me many times to open my house and have home groups…It was awesome always..God NEVER lets us down…He always moved … He always showed up….Give the Holy Spirit a platform and He will move…He will direct…When I saw the same thing and experienced the same treatment God was showing me what He DID NOT like..I had to go through it though…it was truly horrible…It was almost like being in a racist type of culture.
Eric W. said
Ally: I’m hoping to make CO Springs in July for that PITN Conference. A couple of logistics issues on my side but we’ll see.
I’ve got Chicago Summit in April and that’s about an eight hour drive…might be able to pull that off. There’s a few different possibilities there.
Gordy said
Darla H. said
Gordy…before I watch this whole thing give me a overview….of what this is about
richard said
The guy is definitely a wolf posing a lamb.
Darla H. said
Why is it when we start talking about the gifts it goes this direction…..
Gordy said
Hi Darla,
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is the gift of discernment which is lacking in many seeker friendly, emergent and post modern churches. As a result the gospel revealed in the NT is being replaced by another gospel. another spirit and another Jesus. If you click
on the Youtube link there is a forward to the above video.
Darla H. said
Yes…This gift is missing..I get that….for some reason the timing of the post itself seemed off….Not being mean in my statement…
People where sharing testimonies then all of the sudden we are talking about wolves in sheeps clothing…it almost negates the testimonies and makes the whole conversation go a different direction to where our focus is on something more negative……Sorry I am not trying to be mean …I get what you are saying though….with love brother
John Michael said
Richard,
Happy New Year Brother.
I agree and would go so far as to say the Rick Warren is an abomination.
Gordy,
Right on, the gift of discernment is sorely needed by the church.
God has many gifts to give us and when is a gift yours? When you accept it.
Shalom,
Michael
Claudia said
The person speaking in the negative witness video above which is all about casting stones at another Christian, uses, as one of his stones the manner in which Rick defined “repentence”.
STONE: Rick defined it as a MENTAL SHIFT, a CHANGE OF MIND, as compared to the Bible’s definition as A TURNING FROM SIN. (The speakers own paraphrase and personal choice of all the thousands of ways the Bible describes repentence!) It is obvious that Rick was referring to a turn from sin. There is no other turning. Either you turn towards the Light, or you turn towards the Dark, and it takes a mind change to direct you to Jesus, who changes your heart. If you are turning in anyway towards Jesus Christ you are turning towards the Light.
I want to ask all of you now…..what is the difference between the two phrasing above regarding repentence? To turn from sin you have to first mentally turn from it in your mind, make a mental shift…a change of mind.
That is just one of many, many, stones that have been cast at Rick Warren in this video. All of which held as little substance as the one I just mentioned. I am sick to my stomuck now, listening to the covetous envy being spoken from this video, and the sanctimonious tone of that voice.
I don’t want any part in it….none! Anyone seeking to pray to ask Jesus Christ, by name to be their Lord, is seeking something new for their life, they are driven by a need that the world cannot provide. They have heard what Jesus is all about, and it is understood when they use His name, that they are asking for Him to come into their heart, and teach them via the Holy Spirit even more. It does not matter that their understanding of Jesus Christ is not yet complete. None of us have that completion yet. Do you want to rip me out of Jesus Christ’s Arms because my understanding is not yet complete???? Shame! I don’t want to rip you out of His Arms.
Those who laugh and mock on that video sound like jackels, proud of their own understandings, that have nothing to do with the Sight of God, and His understandings. Jesus placed the child on His knee because that child loved Him and wanted to be with Him. That is the start of any relationship.
There is no perfect sheppard, except Jesus Christ. To mock anothers phrasing of Truth is shameful. I shake the dust off of my feet towards this video and those who speak coveteous words based on their own understandings within it.
Darla H. said
Claudia,
I never watched it…..I felt that this was a shift in the purpose of what the entire blog was about today…that is just my personal opinion and have no bad feelings toward anyone…..
Eric W. said
If we don’t believe there’s any doctrine anything goes.
Can’t judge hearts but can and encouraged to judge fruits and doctrines and over the years I’ve seen and heard plenty from him that leaves me gravely concerned and I pray for him.
That’s really about all I can say about that.
richard said
Darla just go to Apprising Ministries and you will find 1,000 articles regarding Rick Warren and what is wrong with his ministries as well as what he says that is just out right ridiculous. There are pages and pages of articles about Rick There’s too many to count. I rarely and I mean rarely bash pastors but there are a handful and Rick Warren is one of them. He is a Bad Egg. Go to apprising . org
John Michael good to see you too buddy. Haven’t seen your posts in awhile. Where have you been?
I agree Rick is an abomination. “He’s a media hound and will say just about anything to be recognized.”
Darla H. said
This all may be true ..I have no opinion because I have not studied this man…
My whole point is ‘the timing of this whole post”…….just my opinion and truly not mad at anyone for anything…..
I have seen over and over when people begin to speak of the gift suddenly there is a shifting and the focus goes into a negative tone almost….
I will give you an example: When I shared about that deliverance story for the very first time i was in a church I had only been to 3 times..Everyone was sharing testimonies…when I shared this testimony which truly was about the resurrection power of the Living Christ….I sat back down with the 3 other people who witnessed the event…
The VERY NEXT thing out of the pastors mouth was and I quote : SATAN WAS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL ANGEL IN HEAVEN!” He began literally preaching about Satan….There was a SHIFT in the whole meeting….our testimonies were negated and we sat there as one lifted up the accuser of the brethren under the guise of teaching…it was horrid and we all felt it…..
I am not bashing anyone here…I am just saying I saw a shift in the spirit here….that is all….not like the above I just mentioned….but I truly felt a shift…..
I love you guy and no bad feeling just sharing…..I see this a lot when the gifts are being spoken about….that is all …love you all
Claudia said
Richard, I could go to a thousand places and find many derogatory words said about my LORD….should I take the words of man to heart? Did God give “Appraising Ministries” His blessing? No one knows! Did God give the Pharisees and their words about Christ, His blessings? We do know about that! No written word or spoken word of man, or judgement of man, has merit for me, unless it is confirmed by God, or I personally have viewed something that the Holy Spirit within me can discern for me.
I understand the human nature, and the jealousies that are within that nature should they witness someone with something bigger than what they have. I also know that we humans are basically blind in our own understandings and abilities to see within another’s heart. Words are deceptive and each word has at least 30 different meanings to another, according to their experiences or prejudices….but yet we will spin those words to cast stones.
I would like to ask a question. Why do ministries feel the need to have man’s approval? Do they not all have the Holy Spirit within to rely upon? Than why are they relying upon the conglomerate words of man’s judgements? Why are they seeking the word of man, the approval of man? Is it because perhaps they lack the Holy Spirit in their endeavors? I used the word “perhaps”. I am just wondering.
It is this spirit of man that drives away those seeking a better way than the world offers. It is this spirit of man which keeps droves out of the churches of man….to seek their own quiet spot in the woods with their Bible.
John Michael said
When the purpose driven life came out ten years ago I could see lots of problems as rick warren is a seeker friendly preacher. He was picked to give the invocation at the 2008 inauguration. Three friends gave me the book, I warned them all and lost the friendship of two of them.
I am pretty discerning and have learned to be open to the Holy Spirit so as not to get taken in.
Richard,
Good call on Apprising Ministries as they have lots of info regarding his ministry and others. I also agree that the web has lots of info as well,
China is going to be a problem for sure.
Planning a summer trip to Yellowstone this summer, we should meet for lunch at Johnson’s Corner.
richard said
Clauida read Apprising Ministries articles and then debate their validity. As LA says “Are the articles vetted?” Yea they are vetted and that’s what gives them validity. Or read “New that Matters” articles on him. Claudia Rick has been caught in so many ways wrongly promoting Christianity its beyond comprehension. Not to mention wrongly quoting scripture. We are not talking about one or two instances.
Rick Warren is promoting Islam as a religion that Christians can work with, in fact join to build interfaith projects.
[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3uPGzTN8mI&w=420&h=315%5D
Just listen carefully to this video. No words of Muhammad as a false prophet. No words about Islam not leading people towards Jesus, God the Son.
The One World religion is emerging with the Saddleback Pastor that blessed Obama, when the US President held his hand on the Bible during the oat ceremony at the White House. Ivar News that Matters
John Michael we should meet for lunch, better yet you should come down to Colorado Springs for the prophecy conference. It will be a good time.
Claudia said
Richard, I understand your passion. I understand your good intent. But I am going to let God decide this one. I have been through long and lengthy discussion with Rick Warren accusers many times in the past. They have yet to give me one direct quote which I could clearly see that was not misunderstood. The bottom line is that Rick Warren believes that without Jesus Christ we would all be lost, and that He is the only Way to restoration. Is that right? Do you have any facts that would refute that? I would listen to those, and check them out, direct quotes from Rich Warren’s mouth….not quotes from someone else that is saying he said this or that.
You need to know that I believe that if a person has faith in, and love for, Jesus Christ, above and beyond the leaders of their church, even tho the doctrine in their church may differ from other churches of man, (Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, Church of Jesus Christ…all those who have leaders and doctrine that leans towards denying all other churches the Holy Spirit by claiming they are the only ones….or churches who have doctrines that they adhere to because some council of man picked them.) that that person, who has loving faith and relies on Jesus Christ to save them, will be saved and brought through by Jesus Christ, just as a child in an abusive home will not be left there because of the acts of their parents, adding things to, or taking things away from doctrines that have nothing to do with BELIEF IN JESUS CHRIST, THE LAMB, THE ONLY WAY TO BE RESTORED. If that child was innocent in their faith(such as all those Catholics who did not have a Bible of their own in the olden days) Christ will still bring them through…even if the Pope did not forgive them for their sins. Jesus understands humanity….He is not going to leave one of His Children in a home of ignorance, when that child is looking forward to being with Jesus for no other reason than that He is Jesus Christ….He is Who He is.
My dog does not understand my language, nor does he understand me, but he loves me, is actually “needy” for me, and waits at the door, and the gates whenever they are shut to him, keeping him from me, rain, cold, heat of summer, he waits there patiently for me to return and welcome him back into my presence. If he has to stay in in the dog bedroom which has a dog door to the outside, over night, instead of being with me, the first thing he does when hubby opens the door to our area, is run to me first…over and above the food that my husband is bringing to them. None of the others do that. He is the faithful one….and I know for certain, that those who love Jesus in the same way will be welcome into His presence and will be given new white garments to replace the tattered, dirty garments of man’s teachings and understandings.
Will you burn me at the stake if I also say I can work in my garden to produce food along side my Islamic neighbor to be given to the poor? Who knows what will happen as the fruits of my Spirit testify to that Islamic neighbor. I could do the same with a Buddist, or a Hindu. If they asked me about my God, I would share Him, even if it meant they would eventually kill me for my belief. What about that concept is so hard to understand?
Go for it….burn me at the stake because I will not drive away a neighbor because they are misinformed. Not until that neighbor tries to hurt one who I must protect. There are parameters where we can work together for good…without ever compromising our Faith in Jesus Christ. It is through works and daily life that we can witness our faith and who knows…if they like what they see….they may ask….”Who is your God?” I have often said that if the Jehovah Witnesses would go door to door asking people, “Is there anything I can do for you?”, that they would convert the world with folks who wanted to know the God that made them this kind of people.
Burn me at the stake.
Claudia said
Yellowstone may not be such a good place to be next summer, what with all the earthquake movement and volcanoe pressures!
LookingUp said
Claudia, you and Richard are talking about two different things.
I wouldn’t go to Yellowstone either.
richard said
Part 2: Is China preparing for nuclear war? Beijing hardens subways for nuclear, gas attacks
Posted on January 13, 2013 by The Extinction Protocol
January 13, 2013 – CHINA – China recently upgraded its subway system in Beijing and revealed that its mass transit was hardened to withstand nuclear blasts or chemical gas attacks in a future war, state-run media reported last month. The disclosure of the military aspects of the underground rail system followed completion and opening of a new subway line in the Chinese capital Dec. 30, along with the extension of several other lines. The subway upgrade is part of an effort to ease gridlocked traffic in the city of 20 million people. According to Chinese civil defense officials quoted Dec. 5 in the Global Times, a newspaper published by the Chinese Communist Party Central Committee, the subway can “withstand a nuclear or poison gas attack.” A U.S. official said the disclosure of the subway’s capabilities to withstand attack is unusual, since it highlights Beijing’s strategic nuclear modernization program, something normally kept secret from state-controlled media. The strategic nuclear buildup includes the expansion of offensive nuclear forces, missile defenses, and anti-satellite arms. China is building new long-range mobile missiles, including the DF-41, and plans to deploy up to eight new ballistic missile submarines. Reports from Asia indicate the Chinese military is also planning to build new long-range strategic nuclear bombers. Russia too is expanding its nuclear forces with new submarines and missiles. Moscow announced last year that it is also constructing some 5,000 underground bomb shelters in Russia’s capital in anticipation of a possible future nuclear conflict. By contrast, the U.S. government has done little to bolster civil defense measures, preferring the largely outdated concept of mutual assured destruction that leaves populations vulnerable to attack and building only limited missile defenses that the Obama administration has said are not designed to counter Chinese or Russian nuclear strikes. The Obama administration instead is seeking deep cuts in U.S. nuclear forces as part of President Barack Obama’s policy of seeking the elimination of all nuclear arms. According to the Global Times report, the new subway lines were “designed to be used in the event of an emergency, for underground evacuation from one station to another, emergency shelter, and storage for emergency supplies.” A military engineer identified only as Hu and as part of the Chinese military’s Second Artillery Corps, which builds and deploys China’s nuclear arsenal, helped design the civil defense aspects of the subway. Special steel-reinforced gates installed on all subway tunnels and used to separate stations are one key feature of the reinforced subway. Hu said it is designed to protect people who seek shelter during a heavy storm, toxic gas attack, or a nuclear strike. “The station has three hours of breathable air after the gates are closed, isolating the station from the outside world,” Hu was quoted as saying. “Although each gate weighs around 7 tons, it takes just three minutes for two adults to open or close it manually,” she said. The new blast gates were introduced into subway construction projects in 2007. A second Chinese official, identified in the report as Liang, said each subway also has an air filtration system in case of a chemical weapons gas attack. The system is designed to keep air flowing into the station. “People can actually shelter in the subway for more than three hours because of this system,” Liang said. Above-ground subway exits also can be sealed during an attack, Liang said, using heavy blast doors concealed behind temporary walls. Additional civil defense barriers and doors are being installed in the Beijing subway later, according to Cao Yanping, deputy director of the Beijing Municipal Civil Air-Raid Shelter. Jiang Hao, a Chinese military engineer from the 4th Engineer Design & Research Institute of General Staff Department, told the newspaper that blast gates already are in use in cities such as Nanjing, in Jiangsu Province, and Shenyang, in Liaoning Province. “The new facilities also have other defensive capabilities like emergency communication equipment at each station, which makes effective communication possible during a conflict,” Jiang Hao, the engineer, told reporters in Beijing. China’s network of underground tunnels for nuclear weapons and missiles was disclosed only recently, and highlighted in Georgetown University’s Asian Arms Control Project, dubbed it China’s “Great Underground Wall.” –Washington FB
Claudia said
China has alot of the same characteristics as Tyre. Odd that their most esteemed and honorable “sign” is the dragon.
Isaiah 23:17-18=And it shall come to pass after the end of seventy years, that the LORD will visit Tyre, and she (cities in the Bible often have a symbolic meaning as to what they stood for in the past being applied to the future…such as Babylon.) shall turn to her hire, and shall commit fornication with all the kingdoms of the world upon the face of the earth. (Reminds me of the woman who sits upon the red beast in Revelations) And her merchandise and her hire shall be holiness to the LORD: it shall not be treasured nor laid up; for her merchandise shall be for them that dwell before the LORD (upon His return?), to eat sufficiently, and for durable clothing. (I find it interesting that China’s most esteemed year is the year of the dragon and the dragon is infiltrated throughout her culture. I also see that she is taking over world trade…and will probably be involved in the wars coming up. Obviously these are all “theories”! I find it interesting that the Chinese have esteemed and named their years in a twelve year cycle…one of those cyclic 12 years being the year of the dragon….their most esteemed year. 2012 was their year of the dragon. Could a 7 year countdown be about to commence? Some people have fun doing crosswords….I find this fun….so cut me some slack! ) Also note that the Iranian Flag contains a symbol that looks like a dragon. A flying dragon with a long neck, as depeicted in some science fiction movies.
Ancient Asian Maps: Appearing in the first hour of Wednesday’s program, (old Coast to Coast broadcast) researcher Charlotte Harris Rees discussed Asian maps dating as far back as 4,000 years ago that show the coastlines of the Americas. Picking up on the work of her father who collected these maps, she suggested that the ancient Chinese were seafaring and traveled to America far before Columbus’ arrival. As further evidence, she cited genetic markers that are shared only by Asians and Native Americans.
China’s goal is to be number one in the world. Who knows…if she is successful…perhaps she will inherit the latter day title of Babylon spiritually.
richard said
January 13, 2013 – LOS ANGELES, Ca. – A Mexico earthquake today 2013 has erupted in Sinaloa. The Mexico earthquake today Sunday, January 13, 2013 began within the hour. And while one of the strongest quakes to strike the country this month, the quake was not centered on land. Its epicenter, in contrast, was centered in the Gulf of California. Officials tell news that a 5.5 magnitude Mexico earthquake began moments ago. Erupting at 9:28 am local time, the quake was shallow. USGS indicates to news that the quake began only six miles below sea level. As a result, the quake could be felt across the Sinaloa region. USGS indicates to news that the Mexico earthquake was fifty-six miles from Ahome. The quake was sixty miles from the Sonora town of Huatabampo. Officials also tell news that the quake was seventy miles west of Los Mochis and roughly six hundred miles from Tijuana. Today’s quake was close to the July and September quakes to strike the country. On July 18 last year, a series of quakes struck roughly fourteen miles from Baja California’s Guadalupe Victoria. The quakes were thirty-five miles from the Sonora town of San Luis Río Colorado and roughly one hundred miles from Tijuana. USGS also told news at the time that the quakes were roughly thirty miles from the Arizona community of San Luis. –LA Late
Claudia said
What you said is so in line with what is being written in 1 Corinth 12. It is all about God’s control and Will….not ours. Even our faith would not be if not for the quickening of the Holy Spirit which testified to the Truth that we heard. We cannot even take credit for the starting of that faith….but we can help it to grow. We continue to also direct our thoughts to prayer for Pastor Hector’s healing.
Because the only way I learn the meaning of one verse from the Bible, is to analyze the entire Chapter (and Chapters before and after sometimes) to get good clarity on what the writer means in that verse, that is what I did. It was latter day man that divided the Bible up into Chapters and verses and without the whole dialog of the writer, understanding can be diminished because of that division. I broke it down as follows according to my understanding. Please point out any flaw so I can get closer to the truth.
1 Corinth 12: He is speaking to the Gentiles who have become Christians
1=They need to be aware of the gifts.
2=They used to be led to worship dead/useless idols (as a contrast to the living viable, manifested, active Faith in Jesus Christ, which is shared with the Believer via the Holy Spirit and the Gifts of the Holy Spirit.
3=It is the Holy Spirit within man that illuminates the LORDSHIP of Jesus Christ, and that He is the Blessed One, that is all LIGHT, not from the dark.
4=The Holy Spirit enables all the different kinds of Gifts from God.
5=Each Gift is administered, carries out it’s function, is put into action in many ways, can be managed and used in different ways according to God’s Will.
6=There are many ways these Gifts are used to carry out their function, under and controlled by God’s Will.
7=Every man who has been contacted by the Holy Spirit, was contacted for the purpose of benefiting all who were, are being, and will be contacted. You cannot have the Holy Spirit within and not have some type of gift, because the Holy Spirit is a Gift given by God, not because we are worthy, but because He chose us…so every man called from the start has a Gift. All men who are brought to recognizing Jesus Christ are brought to that recognition by the Spirit, not by their own understanding. All true Believers have the Holy Spirit within.
8=No Believer can be guaranteed to get the same Gift…but all Gifts come from the Holy Spirit manifestation. (ie, Wisdom, Knowledge)
9,10=list some gifts (ie, Faith, Healing) (ie, Miracles, Prophecy, Discernment of spirits, Speaking of differing Languages, Interpretation of Languages)
11=All of the above are managed by the Holy Spirit, and portioned out according to the Will of the Holy Spirit.
12=Even tho the Body has many members they are all linked together as one, and are One with Christ via the Holy Spirit.
13=One Spirit baptizes us into One Body now, both Jews and Gentiles, those in bondage and those that are free; all, by the Holy Spirit, have been made (notice the word “made”…predestined?) to drink the waters of the Holy Spirit, Eternal Life.
14=(Once the drink above has been made, and the Waters enter us, we should no longer be motivated by individual wills/egos/glory, but are a collective in the Body…Will of Christ.) (Sounds like Communion!)
15, 16, 17=repeats that no member of the Body should take upon themselves glory over another, but should humbly know that all work together for the good functioning of the Body, under the Will of God. (Once we are in the Body of Jesus Christ via our faith, via the Holy Spirit, we are also in the Body of Eternal Father…which was His purpose to speak the Word! Our task is not just here on earth, but Eternal….He has plans for the Body within His Zone and For ever increasing expansion of His Blessing via His Existence. Gosh I get excited when I think of that Purpose!)
18=Ditto….we have been called for His Purpose to be in the Body.
19,20,21=All function together for a Divine Purpose, all who have been called are needed and useful.
22,23,24,25=Expresses that “much more” those bodily parts that “seem” feeble are necessary! (Again, don’t ever get on a glory rag! Remember, the “least of these will be greatest in the Kingdom”?) Humans tend to judge according to their understanding, and we are being told to give more honor to that which we perceive to be lesser so that they are brought upward in the Body, so that they rightly feel a strong cohesiveness with the Body, and that all parts feel loved and unified within the Body.
26=The Body is one in suffering and honor because they are made whole in Christ. Eternal Father knows when the smallest of turtles is run over on purpose, His creation that was wasted by evil intent…how much greater the pain or delight when it is one that He made in His image!
27=loops back up to verses 4,5, and 6, as to how the diversity of gifts is for the use in the Body.
28=For the purposes of the Church Body, God called to that Body apostles first to be taught of Christ to spread the teachings of Christ. The prophets second to receive God’s direct communications; teachers third to teach what is written already or spoken by the prophets; (these first three are not greater, but need to be in place to spread and enlarge the church. The Holy Spirit cannot testify of Jesus Christ within a person, unless that person first hears the Truth that has been revealed about Jesus Christ!) Than are listed some other gifts which help the Body…healings, helps (workers), governments (the ability to plan operations/functions and how they work best), and finally “diversities of languages” so the Truth can be spread throughout mankind…..that which Christ came to restore.
29,30,31= asks the question, do all individuals have all the gifts in one package? or, do they covet, envy what someone else has as being a better gift: and 31 ends with “and yet I show you a more excellent way….which “way” was shown in all the above verses of Chapter 12.
Than in Ch.13 the writer discusses the foibles of man and their seeking of personal glory, and than in verse 10, he reminds us of our hope, which is, that which is perfect (Complete and Whole, Jesus Christ) is come and will do away with all the bits and pieces, uniting them in One harmonious Whole. In verse 11 he speaks of the maturity that we will have in Christ when we are Restored, and that we are on earth children with children’s understandings. He goes on to elaborate clearly in verse 12 what our understanding is like before we are completely Restored….and than after when next we see our Lord….it is so beautiful and so true:
1st Cor 13:12-13=For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. (when we next see Him!) And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
Just as Jesus knows us completely, all of our heart, mind and soul, so will we…when next we seem Him…. have the same knowing of Him…One with Him! No more ignorance or ego…no more envying/coveting another due to our lack of understanding, or theirs….what an existence that will be!
Than in Chapter 15 the writer goes on to declare what is really important….The Gospel of Jesus Christ. Belief upon Whom is the greatest gift of all! The beginning of growth.
Life said
Have you ever grieved the Holy Spirit?
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If you are a spiritual Christian, you know you have grieved the Holy Spirit many times. But if you are not a spiritual Christian, you have no conciousness of having grieved the Holy Spirit. Only when God’s Spirit is really working in you, you will notice when he gets grieved.
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Claudia said
Yes Life, I knew I grieved the Holy Spirit as a child…I prayed that he would remove me if I was ever standing in the way of His plan for restoring the earth for all of His creatures, and those who loved Him. I prayed that I would never become hardened with my own ego, which would prevent me from learning His Ways.
richard said
EU reportedly to offer new Middle East peace plan
Israeli sources fear European initiative for a two-state solution will force Israel ‘into a corner’
The European Union is reportedly formulating a detailed peace plan to re-energize dormant Israeli-Palestinian negotiations.
According to Israeli diplomatic sources cited by the Israeli daily Yedioth Ahronoth, the goal of the EU plan is to bring about the establishment of an independent Palestinian state based on the 1967 borders, with its capital in East Jerusalem. The report said the EU intends to set a clear timetable for negotiations between the two sides in 2013.
The plan is reportedly to be presented in March, once a new Israeli government is in place following the January 22 elections. Sources said that the plan will include land swaps between Israel and the Palestinian Authority as well as a complete freeze on all Israeli construction in the settlements.
The new plan has been initiated by the British and French foreign ministers, according to the report, with the support of Germany. Additionally, European Union foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton was said to be considering the option of adopting the plan as the official European stance. The Europeans have apparently already initiated contact with US President Barack Obama and incoming secretary of state John Kerry regarding the plan as well.
Diplomats cited in the report said that it would be difficult for Obama to oppose the plan, which was said to closely mirror his own stated views on the Israeli-Palestinian peace process.
At a meeting last week in Amman of the Middle East Quartet, which consists of the US, the UN, the EU and Russia, the EU reportedly wanted to begin deciding on the parameters of the new peace proposal, but US representatives said that they should wait until after the Obama inauguration on January 21 and the Israeli general elections the following day.
Israeli sources received reports that the EU would like to use the plan as the basis for a regional discussion, which would include the participation of Egypt, Jordan and the Gulf states. Such a move would force Israel to join a pan-Middle East conference or risk being seen as an obstacle to peace, the report said.
“The Europeans cannot force an agreement on us, but they certainly have the ability to embarrass us,” a senior Israeli diplomat was quoted as saying. “They are formulating a policy of parameters that will set forth the principles of a future peace agreement, and they will put it on the table.”
The source said the Palestinians were very likely to accept such parameters, while Israel would have difficulties with it. “This will push us into a corner,” the source said
OHHH Could we be this close. Maranatha
Eric W. said
Uh-huh. Someone’s got to step up to fill the void of the missing leadership of the USA so to speak. Will be monitoring this closely. Thanks Richard! Hope you’re doing well.
richard said
YOU CALLED IT LA
Jordan forming int’l bloc to spur peace talks
King Abdullah says he is working with European countries to restart long-stalled negotiations between Israel, Palestinians.
Jordan is in the process of consolidating an international coalition to kickstart the stalled Israeli-Palestinian peace process, the country’s King Abdullah said Sunday in an interview with French publication Le Nouvel Observateur.
“We are working closely with several parties in Europe, including France, to put some effective and workable ideas on the table that would enable the US to engage and play a leading role in the peace process soon after the start of the second term of President [Barack] Obama,” Abdullah said in his interview translated into English by The Jordan Times. Abdullah expressed hope that Germany, the UK, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and the UAE would participate in the efforts.
richard said
Thanks Eric
Eric W. said
King Abdullah the Wild Card. A power player. I don’t think he’s the AC, though.
Where this really gets murky is if (when?) the Muslim Brotherhood takes over in Jordan, too. Then all bets are off.
nomemoleste said
Well that’s the wrinkle. He doesn’t have to be “The antichrist” to be caught up in (or bring on) an end time tribulation sequence (or reflection if you prefer). I’ll cite antiochus, hitler … and even the branch davidians, who by the way made their income selling guns at gun shows.
No doubt antichrist (the beast) will manifest in anyone that lets it — hence many antichrists.
1 John 4
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God:
because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God:
Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God:
and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come;
and even now already is it in the world.
Harmonics get stronger the closer they are to the main bang. Which reminds me of birth pangs.
Put another way, the tribulation comes before The great tribulation. We get the lesser instance of the Trumpets before the Vials. And there are babylons around the world, but not great babylon yet.
In other words, Abdullah’s peace plan may be a trial run.
Claudia said
Nomemoleste; I love that scripture!
1 John 4
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God:
because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God:
Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God:
and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come;
and even now already is it in the world.
It is a key! I enscribed it in gold on the top of a ceramic hummingbird lamp I painted for my mother when I was in my 30′s. I was thinking about it when I was speaking of Rick Warren above.
Does Rick Warren believe that Christ did not come in the flesh?
Life said
Take time to listen through these. You may get surprised, but above all, blessed. In some parts they are on the same page as many here:
“http://joejordan.player.netbroadcasting.tv/player/flash/joejordan?stream=oct2012monday1.mp4″
“http://joejordan.player.netbroadcasting.tv/player/flash/joejordan?stream=oct2012monday2.mp4″
“http://joejordan.player.netbroadcasting.tv/player/flash/joejordan?stream=oct2012monday3.mp4″
“http://joejordan.player.netbroadcasting.tv/player/flash/joejordan?stream=oct2012monday4.mp4″
Joe Jordan Ministries (not THAT Joe Jordan).
nomemoleste said
Thanks Life!! Much appreciated.
Foundations (Hebrews 6)
1 repentance from dead works
2 doctrine of baptism(s) [reconciled in that the baptisms are baptism into Christ *]
3 resurrection of the dead
4 laying on of hands
5 faith toward God
6 ultimate maturity
7 eternal judgment
(* We need to immerse ourselves in Him)
1 Christ as the God of Israel (Heb. 8:10)
2 Christ as the Voice of God (Heb. 3-4)
3 Christ as our Brother (Heb. 1-2)
4 Christ as our Helper (Heb. 13)
5 Christ as our High Priest (Heb. 5-6, 9-11)
6 Christ as the Coming King (Heb. 7, King of Jeru-Salem)
7 Christ as the Consuming Fire (Heb. 12)
Hebrews 8
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Hebrews 13 (a caution for young believers)
9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.
Build on a sound foundation!
nomemoleste said
“ultimate maturity” comes in due season with the fruit thereof…
Heb. 6
7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: 8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
9 But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak. 10 For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister. 11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end: 12( That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
faithfulelect said
strange days indeed…most peculiar momma I see all this shaping up so swiftly now its almost a mass of confusion, yet one thing tends to tie in with another if you follow the strings far enough. The king of the south seems to be moving atlast. Wonder if hes going to go east …but then again its always to the east isnt it.
angelikacartwr said
Thank you, LA Marzulli.