Sunday Go To Meeting Bun
Posted by lamarzulli on December 2, 2012
Sunday Bun
by
L. A. Marzulli
Mark 10: 7 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
Peggy and I drove about 3.5 hours yesterday to attend the wedding of Ryan Johnston. Ryan is the same age as our daughter Sarah and we have known him since the day he was born, literally. Marissa, his wife of less than 24 hours, is a beautiful woman with long dark hair and a smile that lights up the room! What a celebration it was and it fulfilled the ancient Biblical mandate that a man shall leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife. I lost it when they took communion. The Lord was present in that moment, as they honored the creator of the universe by taking the elements together, breaking the bread, which is represented as the body of Jesus, bruised and beaten for us – by His stripes we are healed. Then they took the cup, in remembrance of the blood of Jesus shed on Calvary – which is the game changer and announced checkmate to the Fallen One. Jesus is at the center of their marriage and I believe it will be a good one filled with the Joy of the Lord and His peace.
West Point Chapel Holds First Gay Wedding
Now I must address what I believe is a perversion of the scripture above. Gay marriage is a slippery slope and here’s why. What if someone falls in love with their dog and wants to marry it? They will then cite they are being discriminated against if they are not allowed to marry. Bill O’Reilly cites marrying the McGuire sisters. What if a man wants to marry all three sisters? He will cite discrimination if he’s not allowed to do so.
Marriage is, in my opinion, a biblically ordained mandate. It is the basis of all civilizations and forms the foundation of society. To change it by allowing gays to marry is an assault to what has been the mainstay of Judeo/Christian thought for centuries. I would go so far as calling it an abomination. Now, I’m sure if this post gets picked up I will be quoted on the first paragraph, but there’s more to this.
Why is it that approximately 2 to 4% of the population, who are gay, are dictating and changing the fabric of what most Americans believe is sacrosanct? Why is it that the majority have to somehow change our paradigm and world view to embrace that of a few? Should we then allow pedophilia? What about bestiality? Should we allow NAMBLA, which promotes men having sex with young boys who are underage, to become legalized?
In closing todays Bun: I know this is a hot button issue, and I’m sticking my neck out by addressing this. However, in my world view, marriage was instituted by a Holy God. He knows what is best for his creation and his laws are good. Gay’s should be entitled to legal partnerships, but I stand firm on the marriage issue. It is between one man and one woman. What we seeing, in my view, is the fulfillment of prophecy that tells us in the last days, times and seasons would be changed, that right will be called wrong, and wrong right. I’m sure there are those who will read this and accuse me of hate speech. Nothing could be further from the truth. I know many people who are gay and interact with them as I would anyone else. However, I hold the line at marriage, as it is bulwark of our civilization and to change this in any way, alters the very fabric of our society, which was founded on Judeo/Christian principles.
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Rose from Kentucky said
This is a wonderful post, L.A. It is so encouraging to read something lovely and Godly. Joy comes from obeying the Lord, not following one’s lust or natural inclinations. We must die to truly live.
I am so happy for your friends and that you were able to share that with them.
Eric W. said
Excellent Word today as usual. Thank you Pastor L.A.
I keep coming back to this point: If people were just being “rational” atheists that didn’t care about anything one way or the other and everything is really all relative and all the rest of it…why even care about marriage at all? Civil unions get the job done just fine.
Obviously the answer here is another negative confirmation/hostile witness of sorts: A deliberate affront and attack on a God and His Word that they supposedly don’t believe in or care about in the first place. Gay marriage is one of any number of “prominent sin” issues that fall into this category from where I sit.
Eric W. said
Sidebar to L.A.:
It sounds like you all had a wonderful time at that wedding yesterday for your close family friends. Blessing and best wishes for the new couple.
Watchers 5 was awesome, folks. If you haven’t made the move yet you’re missing out!
trixpflu said
Amen! Marriage between a man and woman is symbolic of Christ and the Church.I point to Ephesians 5:22-33
Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church— 30for we are members of his body. 31“For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”c 32This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.
A woman cannot do this for another woman, nor a man for a man. Satan comes to steal, kill and destroy by playing on people’s sinful desires–perverting marriage is just another one of his ploys. I pray for eyes to be opened to God’s truth.
Thank you LA.
eickasullivan said
Amen!
Michael G said
Thanks for having the courage to speak the truth in love! It’s so common these days to be accused of hate when you are simply dividing right & wrong. The problem is that most people become uncomfortable when their worldview is shaken up…..and their response is to accuse the shakers of hate, rather than examine themselves and turn away from wrong. Remember, Jesus loves sinners!! He dies to save us all from our sins…..it’s the sin that He hates
FORHIMALWAYS. said
YEA HE LOVED THE SINNER SO MUCH AS TO GIVE THEM OVER TO THEIR OWN REPROBATE MINDS, TO BURN IN HELL. HOMOSEXUALTY IS AN ABOMINATION UNTO THE LORD PERIOD. NO INBETWEENS NO MIDDLE MAN THOUGHTS. ITS OF THE DEVIL NOT NOT OF GOD. HOMOSEXUALS SHOULD NOT BE GIVIN SPECIAL RIGHTS IN NO FORM OR FASHION. THE LORD GIVES THEM SPECIAL RIGHTS AND THAT IS A ONE WAY TICKET TO HELL IF THEY DO NOT REPENT BEFORE THEY DIE. HE LOVES THE SINNER ALRIGHT ENOUGH TO SEND PRAYER WARRIORS TO THEIR NEED TO REBUKE THE ENEMY FROM WHAT EVER SATANIC BONDAGE THEY ARE IN. THE HOMOSEXUAL SHOULD BE HELPED TO OVER COME THIER BONDAGE. THEY SHOULD NOT BE PAMPERED IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM. THE LORD HAS AND WILL NOT TOLERATE MAN WITH MAN OR WOMAN WITH WOMAN IN ANY FORM OR FASHION. WE WILL FIND OUT WHEN WE PASS FROM THIS LIFE THAT THE FATHER IS NO JOKE AT ALL. NO MORE MILK TOAST CHRISTIANS PLEASE. AS WE SEE THE EARTH EXPLODING IN COMPLETE DESTRUCTION. FROM THE RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION OF THE FATHER. THE LA-LA LAND THEORY OF A JESUS HOLDING LAMBS WITH CHILDREN AT HIS FEET, THAT HAS PUNCTUATED THE CHURCHS THROUGHOUT THIS LAND,HAS LAUD PEOPLE ASLEEP. WE ALSO SERVE A MIGHTY WARRIOR OF RIGHTEOUSNESS WITH GLOWING RED EYES OF FURY READY TO SEND JUDGEMENT DOWN FROM THE CASTLES OF HIS HEAVEN UPON THE UNHOLY AND UNREDEEMED.
Michael G said
Wow….in no way shape or form did I condone sin….all i said was that Jesus loves the sinner, If that weren’t true, we’d all be in trouble. As followers of Jesus, we certainly ought not to water down the truth in any way…..but we are commanded to share the truth in love…..not bash people over the head with condemnation. Go ahead and tell a person who is in sin that they are going to hell, and bash them over the head with condemnation, and see how far you get in winning them to Jesus. Conversely, share the truth in love. Tell people what Jesus has done to save us from our sins. Live it! And yes, people do need to know how serious it is to continue living in sin and to deny the Lord. However, the technique in showing people their need for God is everything. And there is nothing milquetoast about standing firm and sharing the love of our Lord to people who are hostile toward it. In fact, it takes backbone, man. Yes, the world does need to know that there is a hell that is very real, and without Jesus, they are headed there. All I’m saying is that it is far far more effective to be honest, loving, and Christlike than it is to be loud, obnoxious, and hypocritical. Remember, when you point a finger at someone, there are three more pointing back at you.
FORHIMALWAYS. said
I THINK MORE FINGERS SHOULD BE POINTED AT THAT DISGUSTING PICTURE OF THOSE TWO LESBIANS ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THE BUN TODAY AND SAY NO WAY NO THANK YOU AND IF YOU DON,T CHANGE YOUR WICKED WAYS YOU WILL NOT ENTER IN HIS HOLY GATES FOR SURE. WEVE PASSED THE ROSE PEDDLES AND FLUFF. WHAT THE CHURCH NEEDS IS BACKBONE AND HONESTY WITH THE WORD. TRUE LOVE FROM TRUE PEOPLE COMES FROM NOT SPARING THE ROD. OH AND ALSO IT WILL BE REPEATED.– WHAT A DISGUSTING FILTHY PICTURE ON THE BUN TODAY THAT REPRESENTS THE PATH AND HUM OF THIS NATION. ITS CALLED UNGODLYNESS.
Michael G said
FORHIMALWAYS, I agree that the church needs backbone and honesty with the word. Believe me, I agree 100% with the bible’s teachings on homosexuality….I DO NOT believe in compromise…..I believe God’s word is unchanging. God doesn’t change with the times. God is the same yesterday, today & forever, and so is His word. As far as the picture on “the bun” today, I don’t think LA was in any way glorifying gay marriage….on the contrary, he is speaking out against it. I stand by my point…..I believe it is our responsibility as disciples of Christ to share the good news…..and the good news is that Christ died on the cross for ALL of our sins, and if we repent from those sins and place our faith & trust in Him, then we have eternal life!! It seems that saying that Jesus loves the sinner but hates the sin upsets you in some way, that’s all.
nomemoleste said
One man – one woman is probably wise, but not constrained by the Bible. Certain times and situations may require supporting more than one wife. For instance: Israel’s wives. David’s wives. Solomon’s wives. And even the parable of the wise virgins allows for more than one wife (Mt. 25:1-13). That said, there’s plenty of counsel promoting one husband and one wife.
As for living together, Christ is clear in the definition. That’s not marriage.
John 4
16 Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither. 17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband: 18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.
Of course, there’s nothing that stops the apostate churches from legally marrying whoever. That doesn’t mean it’s a true marriage before God, nor a marriage that has any hope of lasting. So a legal definition of marriage is no panacea. No surprise. Legislation can’t change hearts. Just as legalized abortion is still murder and abomination before God.
There is a solution — seek first the Kingdom of Heaven and the righteousness of God.
Deirdre said
While the Scriptures are true concerning the having of more than one wife, seems to me, the LORD allowed it because of the hardness of mens hearts. How much trouble was there when more than one wife was involved in a relationship? Amen to your last sentence.
Pudding said
“How much trouble was there when more than one wife was involved in a relationship? ”
The answer is two or more mother-in-laws.
nomemoleste said
Let’s take a what if example of widows these days. Hopefully, those moms and housewives that dedicated themselves to their families will be cared for in their old age by their children and their families.
But we have so many now that aren’t marrying, having careers, and growing old as singles. Who will care for them? Their retirement accounts? Mr. Obama? The deacons in the churches?
If an older man (lets say a widower) is inclined to marry multiple widows to care for them from his estate… why not? There’s no prohibition against it in the Bible. Who get’s his (or their) social security otherwise when he dies? Better to split it among multiple wives. (… just considering the laws on the books. Not saying the laws are right.)
It’s difficult to keep up with one family. Those that would be elders and bishops would certainly be too busy if they tried to keep up with the church plus multiple families.
And as for raising multiple blended families under one roof — that’s just begging for problems as the children become teenagers.
So yes, the complexities of having more than one wife are more than even the wisdom of Solomon could manage.
LindaFromToronto said
Hi Nome –
“If an older man (lets say a widower) is inclined to marry multiple widows to care for them from his estate… why not? There’s no prohibition against it in the Bible.”
But what about Mark 10:7?
LindaFromToronto said
Oops, I meant what about Mark 10:7-9?
nomemoleste said
Ok, great question, Linda !!
“The two shall become one flesh” points to conceiving children. Clearly not talking about spiritual unions, but physical. And it’s safe to say that can only happen between two at a time without genetic manipulations. So having children should be in a marriage. In context, it certainly says a lot more about divorce and adultery in the passage.
Allow me a few similar examinations…
What about 1st Timothy 3 ?
The qualifications for deacons and bishops (elders) is that they be the husband of one wife. Whether that’s for the purpose of showing a better example in a family church or for the realities of time management, no additional clarification is given. Apparently multiple wives are allowed for those who are not bishops or deacons? Certainly there’s no restriction. I suspect most folks in the US today couldn’t handle the logistics.
And 1st Cor. 7 ?
2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
6 But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment. [So Paul points to his considered opinion.]
In all the situations that have happened in the world… exploration in the frontiers, remote dwelling places, warfare that decimates the male population, etc. there are extreme conditions where having multiple wives may be a survival strategy. There’s no issue in the case of widowers and widows remarrying. There’s likewise no concern in the case of multiple wives. If there were, then we’d have to say that God has changed; since the Israelites had plenty of examples. If there were a restriction, then certainly the Holy Spirit would not have given the parable of the wise virgins as was done. But there’s no such allowance made for multiple husbands. Or same gender sexual relations.
Considering our generation where those in the USA have decided to have nearly zero population growth, this is my own opinion. For those that can raise up many children in the nurture of a home where Christ is the head of the family — in sound doctrine with due regard for Salvation by Grace and the gift of the Holy Spirit — even with multiple wives providing care, I believe He would multiply them into nations as He did with the tribes of Israel. Don’t forget that those 12 tribes and their mothers continue with us into eternity in New Jerusalem. They are honored.
Is there anything I’ve missed?
LindaFromToronto said
Hi again Nome,
Thank you for all that – lots to chew on! But just something on the parable of the 10 virgins.
My understanding from a bit of study on it is that these are bridesmaids (not the bride of Christ). Evidently, no translation of this parable refers to these 10 maidens as the bride. They are either referred to as virgins, or bridesmaids, i.e. the Greek translation being “parthenos”, meaning virgin. On the other hand, the Greek word for bride is “nymphe”, which was not used in any translation for them. (I didn’t know of this translation until recently.) The maidens were awaiting the groom’s arrival (having survived the Great Tribulation) all hoping to go to the wedding feast, etc.
But in case this opens up a whole other topic, I should probably just leave it there for now.
fitpro58 said
THAT is an abomination before the L
fitpro58 said
Whoops…before the Lord! And the term ‘gay’ is watered-down terminology. Biblically, these are sodomites and should be called as such.
mysticmentor said
A cerebral passing of gas eh? My kids call it a “Biff” instead of “Fart” “Biffing” instead of “Farting” Their Mother wasn’t allowed to say “Fart” growing up!!!! Ha Ha!!!!
Pudding said
I just had a piffany….naw a biffany awww never mind..
Mariel Strauss said
Agree 100%, and I have personally stuck my neck out, too, in congregations favoring gay marriage. But I caution everyone to realize that some people are probably born gay, or became that way within a very few months or years after birth, due to unfortunate happenings to them. These people have an inborn sin, as we all do, and our sympathies must go out to them even as we oppose gay marriage. I have known these people from kindergarten days, some of my classmates becoming nationally or internationally famous artists (musicians, dancers). My heart bleeds for them, most of them dead from AIDS, some still active in Christian ministry. Pray for them too.
fitpro58 said
So I guess by extension Mariel, some of us are born murderers??? As in, cursed from birth? Wow.
Mariel Strauss said
Yes, Fitpro, we are all born murderers. witness children hitting each other hard enough to hurt–Jesus said that even to think of such things is murder. I hit my husband a few times, hard enough to bruise him, and I loved my husband a lot but was frustrated that our life was so terribly hard, with me having two rare blood diseases, him in a wheelchair and unable to help, ripped off by FEMA after the fire, etc. I hit him because I was angry at these things, and I realize that in my heart I was a murderer like everyone else born of woman. During the last two weeks of his life he was in the hospital dying and the last bruise I gave him healed just before he died. Life is horrible. Getting out of it is our only hope. Don’t kid yourself that you are “innocent”.
LookingUp said
I didn’t see anything in Fitpro58′s post that indicates he/she thinks he/she is innocent. We are all born sinners, and even being indwelt by the Holy Spirit, we will struggle with our old sin nature until we die. Flesh=sin. Fitpro58′s point was that we are not to just accept those parts of us. We have the power of the Creator of the Universe indwelling us to help us in those struggles.
I’m so sorry to hear about your suffering, Mariel, and that of your husband. I am praying for you, that you will find comfort, encouragement and strength in our Lord. Maranatha.
LindaFromToronto said
Hi Mariel and Fitpro — something else you may want to consider:
Fitpro, you raise an interesting point. Actually yes, some people may be (seemingly) “born murderers”, or at least with clear tendencies to violence and cruelty, from a very tender age. The behavior can be a surprising anomaly – and disturbingly ingrained, leading to criminal violence in the years to come – if that child has been raised in a supportive, well-provided-for, and apparently normal family environment. A good example may be in certain cases of adopted infants.
This came to my attention many years ago as a student (back in the ’70’s) when one of the courses I took at university was forensic psychology. Here was the typical scenario:
A baby would be adopted into a normal, stable family (as determined from standard background checks of adoptive families that were done). Despite such an environment, that baby, soon after growing into a mobile child, would start to exhibit disturbingly cruel behavior to siblings (if any) and pets. (Not just aggressive, rough, or bad-tempered, but downright cruel violence.) The behavior was very difficult to change, even with some sort of psychological intervention (…and even then). Voila – a dangerous future criminal. Long story short, when some background “digging” was done into the birth parents, it was invariably found that one or both parents were themselves violent criminals. Genetic/generational curse? Some sort of fetal imprinting? Maybe fetal alcohol/drug syndrome? Demonic, whatever it is.
Eric W. said
Keeping you in prayer, Mariel.
LindaFromToronto said
Mariel,
I just read your next post above and am sorry to hear of your situation also. My prayers for you.
Pudding said
According to the junior woodchuck manual page 1 paragraph 2, life is a trial and rather a nuisance but since you are here try to be good to one another.
Mariel, I am sure your husband has forgiven you because you both love each other, that is what love is and after the worldly cares are stripped away that is all that remains, be at peace be in Christ.
Mariel Strauss said
Thanks for the prayers. And yes, my husband and I loved each other a whole lot, and were a marriage made in heaven. Even so, the inner sin nature can manifest! My child was not adopted, but he too was hitting dogs as a 3 year old and I had to quit my job to supervise him, and he did stop doing it. My child was the biological son of my first husband, who was not very nice and was murdered. I have lived in a horrible world in spite of being an upper middle class highly educated woman. I am sure my husband forgave me for these sins even before he died (of other causes, to be sure, not from my surprising violence). I cannot wait to go to Heaven and see him as well as Jesus.
Heartbroken,
Mariel
nomemoleste said
There are news videos going about in the last week of twins fighting in the womb. Of course there’s also all those youtubes of pups and kits and other young animals, (sometimes mix and match of every sort), fighting — or playing — depending on one’s perspective.
I think most of us here on the blog take for granted that the nephilim were born a rival species that would likely wipe-out humankind.
I’ll certainly admit that I believe there’s nephilim DNA contamination in human genetics based on neandertal remnants. So yes I can believe that we are born bad and some worse than others, which might even correlate with homosexuality.
Certainly we don’t have to teach children to sin. Teaching them lovingkindness would be well nigh impossible without grace (salvation) and the overcoming power of the Holy Spirit; especially, with the rebel angels and their offspring trying to use them for horrors.
As for being brokenhearted Mariel…
richard said
Colorado has legislation that will enact gay civil unions within a month. Its beyond comprehension. Maybe that’s why we needed to pass the marijuana bill just so we could all put up with it. Just kidding.
This country and this world are like the titanic. Its going to sink and there is nothing we can do as Christians but understand the end is near as we watch the world sink to the bottom of the ocean.
What I cant comprehend is the worlds fascination with a Palestinian state.
Who gives a #$#! about Palestine. Palestine is Jordan!
I cant get over the fact that the world is just sitting by and watching but doing nothing when over 40,000 plus Syrians have been massacred.
I think about the loss of life over there daily. Its as if a holocaust is occurring which we are accepting. Its crazy!
The world has lost its compass. Satan and his dominions will be here shortly. I just pray we are gone when they arrive.
Debra said
@ Richard~
“Satan and his dominions will be here shortly.” Since we know that all of ‘em have been here in … albeit in the heavenlies, are you referring to a mass exodus of them from those realms into the physical, visible realms? Somehow connected to the UFO thing and/or taking on physical bodies like they did on Mt. Hermon in the Genesis account?
Elaine said
Great bun, L.A! I also have friends that are gay and a couple who called themselves “married”……I agree that they should be allowed to have a civil union as a matter of legality but why why why call it marriage?
There are plenty of things that I can legally do but not spiritually justify. It seems that the same spirit of antichrist that darkly mimics Christ is behind it all. Marriage is a matter of faith and holy covenant not the legal partnership. Nowadays they are thrilled to come up with new names for everything…..why not splice gay with marriage and call their abominations “gayrriage” then park it someplace out of our church yard!
moonpieeyes said
Hi Elaine, lol, ‘gayrriage’. Can I forward that one to my Congressman? I think he would get a chuckle, and knowing him, he would bring it to the floor, right before he yields back. He at least had the guts to yell ‘you lie!’ @ Obama.
Elaine said
Bandolier said
Marriage is between a man and a woman. What saddens me is when heterosexual men and women play musical marriages, marrying and divorcing like changing your toothbrush every few months. This only adds fuel to the satanic agenda.
I’m okay with civil unions for gay couples, if someone has been together for 20+ years then it should be allowed to let them have legal rights that heterosexual couples have but I also draw the line when it comes to marriage, it is between a man and a woman as God intended.
Elaine said
YEP!!!!
angelikacartwr said
Very good.
Richard A. said
As a Christian I support traditional marriage. I also believe that the Bible condemns the homosexual act and, as a natural consequence, condemns gay marriage. I also believe that the Bible instructs us not to judge (comdemn or persecute) others for their sins. Everyone must answer to God for their actions.
As both a Christian and a Libertarian, I believe that marriage is a religious issue and that the state should have nothing to do with authorizing it. As a matter of convenience, the state can confer certain legal status upon traditional marriage if so desired by the people. If two gays decide to enter a legal contract that mirrors the legal standing currently enjoyed by partners in a traditional marriage, or if some “church” decides to sanction gay marriage,then that is their business and they will have to answer to God for their actions, just like the rest of us must answer for our own actions.
I believe that for most Americans, and particularly for traditional Christians, any so-called marriage between two people of the same sex will have no God-ordained validity. JMO.
Elaine said
Richard,well stated
nomemoleste said
The secular state has no part in true marriage.
A “government marriage” is something made by “caesar for caesar.” Those that play caesar’s games should play by caesar’s rules and definitions. Not the type of game worth the distraction from my perspective.
As for our responsibilities to judge matters rightly, from the Bible…
1 Corinthians 6
1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world?
and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you?
no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.
7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another.
Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?
8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?
Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified
in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Richard A. said
Yes, God would have Christians make discerning judgement amongst themselves and avoid taking matters before unbelievers or the Government. This kind of judgement is distinct from the judgement of condemnation wrongfully practiced by both Christians and non-Christians. This second type of jugement is the sort Christ had in mind when He directed that we remove the beam from our own eye before attepting to remove a mote from the eye of another,IMO. I interpret this to mean that only when we become perfect (never in this life, btw)then we will have the right to criticize and comdemn others. In the meantime, we should leave this up to God.
nomemoleste said
In an ideal world there’s no need for judging.
Judging matters is something we are called to do as the duty of a citizen in court (as jurors or witnesses).
So we do judge actions and condemn them — such as regards pedophilia. And we should.
Otherwise we make ourselves false witnesses and unjust judges.
It’s hypocrisy to remain silent when something should be said for the good of all.
Consequently, Mr. Marzulli raises the issue and takes a stand. That’s honorable.
Homosexuality is an abomination as are these:
- a proud look (like antichrist)
- a lying tongue (like the false prophet)
- hands that shed innocent blood (like death & hell)
- feet that run swift to mischief (like mystery babylon the harlot)
- seeding discord in families (like the destroyer, abaddon)
- devising wicked fantasies (like the evil kings and merchants)
- and false witness… (like that old subtle dragon)
(note: Proverbs, esp. 6:16 and the Revelation)
Such abominations are devoid of the Spirit of Christ and most certainly will be cast out of the Kingdom of Heaven.
And for those of us that don’t warn the others about this — their blood will be required at our hands.
Richard A. said
I have no issue with condemning the sin as it is defined by God in the Bible. In this case, God defines the sin, not us. I do have a problem with us condemning the sinner. This is the provence of God. As far as serving on a jury, this is a secular matter in which the jurors determine whether a law has been violated. This is not a judgement of condemnation as I alluded to in a previous post. Humans have no right to exercise spiritual condemnation. Only God knows the intent of the heart. We are called to serve as witnesses and spread the gospel to all without regard to our feelings about their worthiness to receive God’s salvation. None are any less worthy than any other. We are all sinners. Condemning others is simply not our business- judging their actions based on God’s word is a different matter. JMO
nomemoleste said
Good summary Richard!
seashoremary said
LA, I agree with every word you have written on re: gay marriage. Blessings to the new couple who married in the presence of the Lord.
Re: being gay
I, too, have experience with friends and even a former boss, who were gay. It’s not that God loves the sin; I believe it’s worded this way: God loves the sinner but hates the sin of homosexuality–it’s an abomination.
I’ve written an article that addresses this issue, too. It’s not hard to stand on the Word. What sometimes is difficult is that not everyone knows or practices the standards that God set before us to do what He says to do so we face the criticism of people who don’t practice or care to understand the Word.
As for being “born gay,”…I believe that this could be a generational curse handed down to the now “gay” person. Or sometimes, witchcraft could be involved where a curse was “spoken” over an unborn child to get to parent.
I also believe that these curses can be broken by the pure Blood of the Lamb that would include fasting–if people cared enough to do it.
I also believe that battles start in the mind. satan drops thoughts involving sexual activities that has the receiver of these twisted thoughts thinking (it’s called entertaining thoughts) that it’s ok…otherwise why would they be thinking it? It’s deception at the core.
Anyway, that’s my viewpoint.
Blessings,
LookingUp said
I’ve wondered about the demonic forces/curses at work in homosexuality as well. In cases of transgendering, I would bet it’s the cause.
Apart from the spiritual ramifications of same-sex marriage, there are many ways homosexual marriages are affecting us. Our laws are being used to force believers/pastors/churches to treat homosexual couples as they would opposite-sex married couples. Churches have been sued for not letting homosexual couples use their fellowship halls for their receptions. Landlords are being forced to rent property to them. Tax payers will be paying for benefits to support homosexual partnerships. California has now made it illegal for parents to get counseling for their children – CHILDREN – who are having gender/sexual identity problems.
Thirty years ago, homosexuals just wanted to be able to “be honest about who they were” and live their lives quietly. Their agenda was a lie from the beginning. How anyone with a mustard seed’s worth of spiritual discernment does not see the attack that is being made on our society and our innocent children is beyond my ability to understand.
nomemoleste said
And worse… they become deacons, preachers, pastors, and elders in family churches.
In my own life, homosexuality was part of the downward spiral of depravity along with substance abuse, dabbling in the occult, grandiose schemes to save the world, and railing out hate and discontent especially in political debate.
When the walls of our spiritual life are toppled, and the old landmarks buried, there’s no protection from that next demonic spirit that comes along to take you beyond limits.
There’s a solution.
Isaiah 59
19 So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun.
When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.
20 And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.
21 As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD;
My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth,
nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed’s seed, saith the LORD,
from henceforth and for ever.
Eric W. said
“http://christiannews.net/2012/12/02/provocative-preachers-wives-to-flaunt-it-all-in-shocking-new-tlc-reality-show/”
Provocative Preachers’ Wives to Flaunt it All in ‘Shocking’ New TLC Reality Show
What’s the point? What a HORRIBLE public witness this is!
I’m absolutely convinced this is another ploy by the Enemy to continue to damage Christianity. How else does one explain away nonsense like this?
I’m not judging hearts but we’re encouraged to judge fruits and doctrine and that’s exactly what I’m doing right now looking at a spectacle like this.
It makes wonder about any supposed Christian even opting to participate in something such an obvious damage to public witness like this. What’s the point, really?
Got to be deliberate.
nomemoleste said
Eric,
Shouldn’t apostates be openly exposed as false christians?
Especially those leaders that can’t serve as good examples — should serve as bad examples.
Such as Saul, David, and Solomon in their great sins…
Eric W. said
Yes! Christians are directed and encouraged to do this in a graceful, loving, and biblical fashion.
nomemoleste said
Amen! Without lovingkindness it means nothing. We are to speak the truth in love.
Alan said
“Gay’s should be entitled to legal partnerships”
No, Mr. Marzulli. They should not even be awarded this privilege. We should not harm them, but we must treat them as we did many years ago, like a dysfunctional sideshow to be ignored. And the fact that we have arrived at a point to even discuss such a thing shows how far this country has dropped.
Eric W. said
Agreed.
Elaine said
it is the same as a business partnership…..should two people who are not marriageable in the site of God be allowed to protect their assests in the business of a household? I do NOT think they should call it marriage and I do NOT think they should be gay, but I do think they should have their rights as an American.
lamarzulli said
My point exactly.
Pudding said
Elaine, “protect their assests” Asses or Assets?
Elaine said
Yeah, I tried to amend the typo immediately but wordpress said I was posting too fast……the gerbils in their wheel couldn’t run fast enough!
Elaine said
combined financial and real properties.
LookingUp said
The really sad thing is these people are sin sick, going to die, and have had no one love them enough to tell them they need the Great Physician. Now we lie to them and tell them they are perfectly healthy. What kind of love is that?
Eric W. said
Exactly LookingUp.
My concern (not directed at anyone here) is “giving the cover of legitimacy” to any type of sin whether it be sodomy…even the term “gay” makes it sound like it’s not that bad…or any other sin for that matter.
I’m seeing way too much of this in the Church and then you get called judgmental, intolerant, or worse.
As Christians we should be sharing the Gospel with these folks and exhibiting the fruits of the Spirit as outlined in 1 Corinthians 13 and Galatians 5:22-23 but absolutely in NO way, shape, or form should we give allowance or legitimacy to said sin on any level.
LookingUp said
Exactly, Eric. Fornication has become “living together,” and it’s now “significant other” instead of partner in sin. The one that really makes me want to throw up is calling adultery an “affair.”
Pudding said
Elaine,
I hate when that happens! I think the only way to prevent a reoccurrence is to hold the cable running from the computer to the internet between your teeth or with one hand while with the other you click post comment just maybe you can jerk the cable out of its connection fast enough in case of an emergency.
Peggy K said
Alan – I agree with you on this. Frankly, when I read that LA said that “gays should be entitled to legal partnerships” I was very surprised. A legal partnership sounds to me like one small step behind marriage.
LA – why do you think they should be entitled to this?
Linda said
Elaine I don’t think anyone is kept from making a will, or living trust and transferring their assets. This has never been about that! I am sure they could also designate them as decision maker w/ power of attorney and have med/hospital access. The CFR/UN have an alterior motive death and satanism, the parties acceptance as normal! I think I just heard God calling down to SODOM’s ashes and did I hear HIM right, did he tell them HE was sorry HE meant to extend them civil unions. Sarcasm added!!!!! This ship is going down and sad millions are going down with her! We are going UP! Those undecided and rebels and the remnant Jews will be tested with fire and the dross burned off to reveal fine gold. The Jew prepared to rule & rein w/ Christ 1000 yrs. To receive their Covenant Promised Land & David’s throne for our Lord! May I clarify the rebels for destruction
Elaine said
I used to know a couple of older men who were business partners ( neither had any family)and in their retirement bought one house and lived in it together…..there were rumors of course but I was friendly to them and they to me. I treated them with Christian love and kindness just like Jesus did with the folk in the lower echelons of society. Not condoning or judging because there was no way to know. But I do think it was fair for them to have survivor’s rights to everything when one died.
I also have another friend who is very effeminate but a witnessing Christian I have prayed with. He has tried to find girlfriends but it never gets beyond dance partners on polka night. He has no male friends and is very much against gay marriage. We haven’t ever discussed it but I think his inclination would be toward homosexuality if he ever let his guard down. I admire him greatly for repressing what could is most likely that sinful nature. He will never have a real relationship. But he will always have my friendship.
I have two friends who are heterosexual but severely handicapped. They could not marry legally without losing her income from social security. She was born with a malformed heart and had her first stroke at age 3 and has spine issues and a paralyzed right hand. He had a closed head injury and cannot work enough to support them both so they had a spiritual ceremony but no marriage license. I cannot tell them they are not married. They must depend on their families to honor their wishes if one should pass on and if he were to go first she could legally be put out of his house if his family wanted it. If they are “legally” not married…..should I judge them for living in sin?
I know a woman who had been married to a man who beat her and disfigured her face. She did not leave him until a friend helped her with a place to live with her children. They fell in “love”……I am sickened by the thought of that relationship but I also thought it was cruel when her friend was dying of cancer that the family would not allow her in her hospital room and after the funeral she was evicted from the house they had shared for 20 years and not even allowed mementos if she could not prove ownership of things with a receipt!!!! I do not like that they were lesbians but I do not regret going to the yard sale that hard hearted family had and buying a few things back to give her.
I guess what I am saying is that we must abhor the sin but love the sinner and be fair with them…….we have all sinned.
Elaine said
Oh yeah, and I did a portrait of the woman who died of cancer from the picture in her obituary and gave it to the woman who had lived in sin with her because that family would not even let her have a photo and went through both women’s things before letting her have what they decided was hers……was that wrong?
LookingUp said
It’s been said in other places today, Elaine, but your first and last examples should have taken the time and effort to make sure they were protected legally with a durable power of attorney, co-owners of the house, wills, and on and on.
nomemoleste said
I love it when you lead with your heart, Elaine!
LookingUp said
But don’t you see that all of Elaine’s examples, even though they’re from the heart, are examples of situational ethics? It is the doctrine of Secular Humanism which has been the state religion of government schools since the 60′s. The determination of right and wrong is not subjective based on circumstances; it is objective based on the Word of God.
Elaine said
Looking Up….I was not saying that their behavior was right, I was saying that I can understand what happened and love the hurting people who have sinned……Just like Christ who loves me even though I have sinned in other ways
LookingUp said
No argument there, Elaine. Disobedience always results in pain of some sort. Satan comes to kill, steal and destroy, and disobedience prevents the experience of the abundant life Christ died to give us. So many are satisfied scrounging off the garbage dump when they could be dining at the table of the King. So sad.
Enjoy the blessings of your day.
JLL said
A few months ago I was reading that “young people” in America, unlike their elders, were in favor of homosexual marriage. This week I read (on a conservative news site) that more than half of all Americans are in favor of homosexual marriage.
No way of knowing if these numbers are true or not…. Either the line has been crossed, or we’re being led to believe it has been crossed (which will affect people’s views also). People want to be with the majority; they fear to speak if they are in the minority; they view it as too late to change people’s minds.
Just another indication that we’ve lost the country. I’d like to think that means it’s closer to Jesus’s return — but other countries have been lost before.
Still it is closer to His return, if only because every day is closer to His return.
Pudding said
Once upon a time there was no question about what unnatural lusts of the flesh meant. Now not only is it acceptable but the new debate is did God create homosexuals, which is becoming acceptable even to the point of God ordained marriage of the such.
Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections………..
When the foundation gets washed away in a flood will the building continue to stand?
Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
The future no look to goody…
Love,
Lot
ps. Don’t get caught with your pants down!
Eric W. said
Jay said
I believe it is like this..God created Adam and Eve and they were perfect including their DNA. Once they sinned, their DNA changed. So in essence, I think people can be “born” gay, born prone to be alcoholics, mentally ill, etc only because of our imperfect sin nature passed on through our defective DNA. I think we should all be more sympathetic to homosexuals because many really are prone to this behaviour because of their imperfect biology and nature; just like some people suffer from chemical imbalances and have to take prozac to elevate their mood.Does it give us all free reign to embrace our imperfect and influential nature? Not at all. Unfortunately for some their struggle with sin and their own humanity (even with God’s grace) will last until the day they die.
Steve Mc said
Jay, I think probably every person here is sympathetic to homosexuals, just not to their lifestyle. But you are correct…if I have heard from God clearly, not only can people be born gay, they are born gay. A while back, God was answering many questions and so I decided to ask him about this, although I think the question actually came from him. When I asked him if people are born gay, he said “yes….that’s why they need to receive Jesus, so they can be delivered out of the sin they were born into.”
I was going to ask him if the sin was genetic, a generational evil spirit or whatever but he seemed not to want me to ask but just accept that they are. I was rather shocked at first but then I realized what God was trying to show me…that homosexuals are living proof that people are born into sin. Other people may be born into other sins while we are all born into the sin of pride. Sin is a spiritual problem but it may also be genetic and in our DNA as you point out…but whatever our sins, Jesus delivers us from the sin that we are born into. Homosexuals like to think that being born that way is an excuse, which I had assumed it would be. God showed me otherwise. A rather controversial topic, and I certainly do not expect people to agree with my view on it.
Richard A. said
I believe that the issue of being born gay is really a moot point. I was born heterosexual but that doesn’t force me to engage in adultery or fornication. The point is that with the help of the Holy Spirit we can overcome the baser urges of our corrupt flesh no matter their origins.
Truth said
“How same sex marriage points to the end of the world” http://www.wnd.com/2008/05/64769/
Laurel said
This is my Sunday morning cinnamon roll sprinkled with a little salt.
Tolerance has become a deadly word.
What comes to mind, when I see this word incessantly used to get people to believe a lie is… the subtle way the definition has been perverted. It’s now the ‘in’ word for the progressive.
One of the big themes in the Genesis garden was…”Did God really say that?…now listen up… here’s what He really meant.”
However the fact remains: You play, you pay.
God is not mocked. You can’t change or twist His forever words. He says…” what you reap you will sow”. You think He was kidding? He is extremely clear. He is not tolerant when it comes to ungodly behavior. He purposely left us graphic accounts of what happens to societies that embrace, practice and celebrate abhorrent behavior. To keep abominations from spreading, He eventually cleanses the land from these cancers by destruction of His choosing. Sodom & Gommarah being just one example. Nuked, if you will. In His grace, He leaves an appointed amount of time for repentance before He acts. We just can’t bring ourselves to believe those intolerant words, that God is a consuming fire and is known by His judgements. Uuh, that’s so intolerant.
Before that, He cleansed the earth of abhorrent behavior, by a global flood. Everyone died except 8 people. The intolerant mega tsunami.
He also gave us an account of what happened to His very own called out people, Israel, when they began to travel down this same road. Destruction and displacement.
God is not tolerant of homosexual behavior. Period. We are to be light in a sick and perverse world. He was not tolerant, we are to be the same. Stand tall against it. He warned those that do evil, we are to do the same. And the more tolerant the church becomes; the more ineffective. Salt has left the shaker.
We are not just experimenting with a current social tolerance issue. This is eXtremely serious forever stuff. The consequences are real, burgeoning and not going away. ;^)
We have placed our country in the judgement mode, as did those other cultures and times. We are so far down the road that we ‘celebrate’ these acheivements? Who ever thought the military would be celebrating homosexual marriage in it’s facilities? Can you even go there in your mind a few decades ago? And if you think our military is going to defend or be strong for this nation ever again; rethink.
If this is now the normal accepted behavior, then what comes next? You are right brother… it only gets worse. Unthinkable now, acceptable tomorrow.
God is the same. He is unchanging. As human history continues in it’s circular vortex, the cycle goes faster and faster. The Creator will not let this go on much longer. Tic, tic, tic.
The other day, I felt a little hope left for the nations, when the president of Uganda publicly confessed the sins of the nation and himself. Hallelujah. There is some decency and repentance left. The Holy spirit is moving. (Texting BHO: RPNT.)
The whole mixture of human degredation and what is transpiring in Israel and the new palestinian state is a real ‘Lot’ moment. He was able to get out of town. Now there isn’t anywhere to flee to, unless you want to hide in the caves. I think the line in the sand is the moment the ‘thing’ is place on the temple mount. Until that time, we have a chance to give people the good news of Christ.
Jesus/Yeshua; God’s only ‘tolerance’. Only in this One can there be any approach to the Father who covered our sins through Him. Even though we see nothing but judgement ahead, we can have a great confidence in the future. Our great and blessed hope. I look for His return every day.
Pudding said
Caracas! One long post but very well said.
This marriage issue IMHO is only part of the thread as L.A. stated “What we seeing, in my view, is the fulfillment of prophecy that tells us in the last days, times and seasons would be changed, that right will be called wrong, and wrong right.”
If as some conclude that the government is “the restrainer” apparently in this light he is being taken away or at least the methodical removal of anything related to God is the agenda of today why? perhaps to pave the way for the man of lawlessness, one man can not do everything by himself in a short period of time, he needs a little help from his friends.
nomemoleste said
Bravo! Yes, definitely — well said.
Allow me please, there is a place “to flee to.”
We can dwell in the House of Prayer, in the secret place of the Almighty.
We can take up our rightful place in the Kingdom of Heaven, for those native born (born again spiritually by Christ), warriors fitted with Christ’s spiritual armor, ambassadors of our Sovereign Lord and Savior. And we can stand in the gap while the levies are rebuilt, Sword of the Word in one hand shovel for bagging sand in the other.
(Not like the dominionists, who apparently have tried to co-opt the Ugandan president.)
More like Nehemiah 4:16-18
Bryan said
Let us not forget what the Torah in places besides Genesis has to say on this issue. The Torah says:
Leviticus 18:22 “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.”
Leviticus 20:13 “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.”
Fortunately for the repentant who will turn away from sin and turn to Him, the death has been taken for them by our Messiah. Our generation is most wicked, most perverse, and it will continue to escalate. Lawlessness is rampant even among our own, for sin is the transgression of the Torah via 1 John 3:4, yet most people overlook this Scripture. There is nothing wrong with speaking the truth to others and being bold. May YHWH bless you and keep you.
Big John said
What do you mean by the statement,”Gay’s should be entitled to legal partnerships, but I stand firm on the marriage issue”, should all sinners be given rights because they are not free from the sin nature, therefore certain sinners need to be accommodated GOD forbId. These people are sinners and they need a SAVIOR not a pat on the head.
Elaine said
I agree that all need the Savior!
What is on my mind is the judgement aspect here. In real life there are people we meet and we must treat them with Christian love. Most times in the course of my day I meet many people and the topic of their sexuality is not what the meeting is about. If I stop and analyse a couple of ladies or two gentlemen who come into my store before I interact with them I not only run the risk of making a wrong assessment but I close off any opportunity to witness!
Hypothetical:
Two men walk in to have a picture of themselves framed……do I jump to a conclusion and berate them for being homosexuals? Or do I smile and do the business as I wait on them and mention God and Jesus as opportunity presents itself? Maybe they are gay but then again, maybe they are brothers who want to have the picture framed as a gift for their parents who are having their 50th wedding anniversary.
Another:
Two ladies walk in and see a painting I did and laugh and hug each other……do I shriek, “You are lesbians, repent or you will go to hell!!!” Or do I wait on them and mention God and Jesus as opportunity presents itself? Maybe they are lesbians but then again, maybe they are just friends who like to hug and were enjoying a painting of a beach where they and their husbands had a picnic that is a fond memory.
The point is that I can’t jump to conclusions and could do more harm than good if I do.
Okay, here’s one for ya…..this one is true, not hypothetical. I am invited to a historic Victorian building for my cities Victorian Christmas parade party next Saturday. It has a large antique filled apartment over a store on the parade route. This is the big social function of the year. The owners live above the store and are both men. There are several bedrooms in the apartment and I have no way of knowing whether they each have their own. They have never been publicly affectionate and they refer to each other as “room mates” so …….do I jump to a conclusion because they live together, or do I go and celebrate the birth of Christ with them?
LookingUp said
We are to be in the world, not of the world. We rub shoulders with sinners every day. If you are surrendered to the point of being lead by the Holy Spirit, you’ll do what He wants you to do and be prepared to witness about why Jesus came to start with.
BillybonesIII said
My wife and I just got home from church. Today’s service dealt with the first week of Advent followed by taking Communion.
We have come to believe that church attendance and Communion go together. Your description of the wedding and Communion (which choked me up a bit) I believe are the same.
Your post was spot on LA. God bless you for taking a public stand on “Hot Button” issues.
I believe we are in the last days. Now is when hot button items need to be aired, not in a legalistic sense but for those who are dead in their sin of unbelief.
DJ said
First time poster here….(I read the blog everyday and feel like I know most of you as family!) Anyway here goes….I have friends and family members who are gay. I love them and I know that Jesus loves them even more! I do not however condone the lifestyle because the bible tells us that it is an abomination unto God. Here’s the thing, they want to change the very meaning of the word Marriage to include relationships that are against what God intended. (Certainly everyone can see by the very physical anatomy of men and women that God intended Marriage to be between one man and one woman. Our bodies were made to compliment each other!) That’s why I don’t buy the “born that way” stuff. I am a former smoker….does that mean that I was born to smoke? I think not….I had a choice to put that first cigarette in my mouth and inhale it! Now I won’t argue that i was not influenced by friends, or relatives around me that smoked. But still I could have chosen not to partake and support a 20 year addiction only to suffer its consequences! We have free will to choose! That being said, I think is ridiculous that anyone would actually change the definition of a word that has been around since the beginning of time for a few whiners! I would like change the meaning of the word “Speeding ticket”! Anyone with me?
lamarzulli said
DJ – Well said!
Jay said
I have to disagree. I think humans are very complex and our decisions to be gay, smoke, drink etc can be heavily influenced by our genes and/or biological factors. Case in point–there are actual meds you can take that can inhibit certain receptors in the brain which allows the desire for alcohol to be greatly decreased. This has helped alcoholics to find sobriety. On the flip side just because you were born a with certain propensity to act a certain way doesn’t justify it. I suffer from mental illness and I never chose to accept it-I was born this way. Free Will isn’t as free as we think. We are complicated animals made up of chemicals that can influence every aspect of how we feel and act.
lamarzulli said
In some ways I agree, however, God is bigger than all of the sin that so easily ensnares us. We can overcome pretty much everything by the Blood of the Lamb! I know because I was a dope smoking, fornicating, occult practicing, guru worshiping pagan. This is the miracle of being born again! He has created a new creature in Christ!
Pudding said
Abbas ‘Victory Speech’: Jerusalem ‘Eternal Capital of Palestine’
One day, a young Palestinian will raise the Palestinian flag over Jerusalem,” he vowed, “the eternal capital of the state of Palestine!”
“http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162753#.ULvUY4M0WSq”
Eric W. said
Keep dreaming, pal.
Something’s just got to give soon.
hopeful_watcher said
I was waiting for someone to bring this up. P.A. feels like they have validation from the world so they will attempt to accelerate this to keep momentum. This will not be diffused like past escalations. This will keep going until a resolution of God is established.
LookingUp said
Watchcing City of Angels from a whole new perspective.
Pudding said
Are you perched on top of the coffee table?
LookingUp said
Ha. You’re so funny.
Eric W. said
That’s your spot, Pudding. Always near the coffee at all times.
Pudding said
Eric, You understand my perspective exactly, we see through a glass darkly because the glass is full of coffee.
Hair of the dog, bro! Fight fire with fire.
Pudding said
With Carbon Dioxide Emissions at Record High, Worries on How to Slow Warming
Emissions continue to grow so rapidly that an international goal of limiting the ultimate warming of the planet to 3.6 degrees, established three years ago, is on the verge of becoming unattainable, said researchers affiliated with the Global Carbon Project.
“http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/03/world/emissions-of-carbon-dioxide-hit-record-in-2011-researchers-say.html?partner=rss&emc=rss”
Tip#1 Don’t worry about it because you can’t cool the planet off that is God’s job
Tip#2 Turn off the HAARP microwave oven
Tip#3 Find another scam to bilk millions of $$ (see Charles Ponzi)
Tip#4 Study the correlation between sunspot activity and its relationship to the atmosphere
Eric W. said
Yup, we’re back to the Kyoto treaty and cap’n'crap because we all know these will solve everything.
LookingUp said
I’ll take Tip #1 and add:
Tip #4 Figure out how to make the world quit wobbling.
Allan said
Pastor LA, you have said what far too many pastors around the world should be saying, but are not. Well said, and God Bless!!!
Gina Nestor said
Thank you for your timely word, L.A. We must be true to the holy scriptures. Marriage is between a man and a woman. The Lord ordained it. He married Adam and Eve. Marriage is a type of Christ and the Church. May the Lord bless you for your boldness. Praying for you as always.
Theresa said
Hey LA, I appreciate your willingness to voice this. This isn’t about hating gay people its about loving GOD’s Torah! Here is a way to look at it. GOD’s laws aren’t there to ruin our good time….its for sustainability. He knows what is sustainable, and therefore promotes LIFE, and what does not. I am not homosexual so I don’t know what it would be like to be marriage minded toward another woman. I admit that. However, I am a bible literalist and there are other laws that I didn’t want to follow before I was born again (especially no false idols as I was into new age stuff) and “do not be unequally yoked” because it meant I had to trust him and be alone until the right person showed up, but I do them anyway now because I know that GOD’s laws promote life and will make my life much better ultimately. Either we follow GOD’s truth or not. Thats it.
Debra said
I’m probably going to get backlash on this, (I accept that) but according to most of the Bible Scriptures what is really addressed is more the issue between man-to-man than woman-to-woman sexuality. Does anyone have historical reference to how homosexuality was carried out in the OT/NT? From what I’ve read, in the OT ancient days homosexuality was primarily involved with temple prostitution and acting out below ones social and cultural level. In that light how does this play out in todays social cultural levels?
Pudding said
Here is one example it is good to read Romans 1 it its entirety.
(Rom 1:26) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
(Rom 1:27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
LookingUp said
The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah wasn’t about temple prostitutes. Romans 1:26 clearly is about homosexuals and lesbians and not in a temple prostitute setting. Those two things immediately come to mind.
Pudding said
Here is a good question: What does the Bible say against pedophilia? Next question why is pedophilia against the law but the law protects homosexuality?
LookingUp said
It probably won’t be illegal for much longer. I’m sure it’s next on the agenda.
nomemoleste said
As for Sodom, wanting to have sex with angels is a whole ‘nother side of that coin.
excerpt from “http://www.biblicalstudies.org.uk/article_attitude_wenham.html”
Debra said
@Pudding~
Ah… the “Kings Language” comes at us with strong and powerful wordage. Figuring how that fits into modern English (and not the high courts of that day.; think legalese) can be a bit knotted in these times. I know many adhere to KJ English (1611 explicitly) and will not give an inch to other translations (perhaps they should consider taking on Dr. Michael Heiser!) Anyway, I’m going to ask what is the “natural use” that was “against nature” referring to? “Against nature” can mean several things and not necessarily same sex relations. Loaded language. Politics seems to be driving the day.
@ Nome~
Yes… “legitimacy” (i.e. legalize thereby politicize) seems to be the force behind the NWO agendas. Constantine made it happen for the Followers Of The Way. “In this sign conquer.” I so much appreciate your learned and insightful responses. Tracking with you. Perhaps the word “intercourse” needs to be broken down into its many components. Thanks to the English language.
Here’s something I read the other day and I’m guessing many of us here will understand:
“Christianity began as a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
When it went to Athens, it became a philosophy.
When it went to Rome, it became an organization.
When it went to Europe, it became a culture.
When it went to America, it became a business.”
–Anonymous–
‘Nuff said. Blessings in the name of our blessed Lord and Savoir. Amen.
Pudding said
Debra, “Politics seems to be driving the day” I visited Pompeii (destroyed AD 79) and the art taken from there and is on display at the national museum in Naples there is no doubt of what the Romans were doing when not in Rome. You can look at the various translations to get a different prospective, in the context of the chapter sexual impurity in whatever translation you wish to use means just that, now how does that apply to man to man or woman to woman, in this day and age political correctness drives the day and as it has always been mankind will try to justify his sin. If all else fails in understanding one can always heap up teachers to themselves surely someone will scratch their ear.
LookingUp said
Interesting you said that, Pudding. Has anyone else noticed that even when we try to discussion values, people get upset because they think we’re talking about politics?
Truth-teller said
There is an excellent article @ WND entitled “Proof you can’t be ‘born gay’ Exclusive: Philip Irvin debunks claim of organic basis for same-sex attraction.” Sorry, I am not computer savy so do not know how to post it here.
T.T.
LookingUp said
Truth-Teller, I don’t know if this is the right way to include a link, but when I find something I want to share, I just copy the whole http address and past it into the post. I read that you then need to enclose the whole thing in quotes, but I don’t remember why.
Gordy said
Gordy said
Israel – Small but Outstanding