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Iran and the Straight of Hormuz

Posted by lamarzulli on October 16, 2012

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L. A. Marzulli

Iran’s Secret Plan to Contaminate the Strait of Hormuz

Iran could be planning to create a vast oil spill in the Strait of Hormuz, according to a top secret report obtained by Western intelligence officials. The aim of the operation is to both temporarily block the vital shipping channel and to force a suspension of Western sanctions.

We’re back to the Strait of Hormuz again as Western sanctions are having an effect on Iran.  As I pointed out over a year ago, Iran has one major offensive option, which is to close the Strait of Hormuz.

I love maps and the one to the left shows  how narrow the Hormuz waterway is.  Over 40% of the world’s oil comes through Hormuz.  Oil is the life-blood of the planet as the modern industrial world runs on it and Iran knows this full well.  Iran has conducted naval drills to close Hormuz, and now there seems to be another plan in the works.  It is code-named “murky waters.”  If the Iranians create a huge oil spill how will it affect the flow of oil through Hormuz?  Will it stop the tankers?

Gas prices in California are at an all time high, cresting at $5!  What will happen if Hormuz is closed, will we see $10 a gallon gas?

In the Other News Section,  there is a story about how Shia Moslems are fighting alongside Assad.  As I have pointed out here before, Iran will do pretty much anything to keep the Syrian president, Bashar Al Assad in power, as this creates the Iranians sought after Shia crescent, which includes, Syria and Lebanon.  Another article below states Hezbollah now has the capacity to hit any city in Israel with its missiles.

While most Americans are caught up in the presidential debates, the Middle East is preparing for war.  It is coming and with only weeks before the election, I would posit the war will come in the spring.  However, anything could touch it off as the region is the most unstable I have ever seen it.

In closing todays post:  This new piece of INTEL is another straw on the camels back.  At some point the camel will collapse and Middle East will erupt into war.  The hatred and vitriol are reaching a tipping point.  All eyes are on Israel and her destruction.  With that in mind remember:

Be still and know that I Am God.  Behold the days are coming when I will show my strength on the mountains of Israel.

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The Watchers series has reached new, extraordinary heights, presenting one thrilling segment after another. LA Marzulli and Richard Shaw’s ongoing adventures continue with the story of black-eyed children who appear at hotels and car windows, even on boats at sea! They appear with a singular purpose—they want to be invited in! Demons? Alien hybrids? Urban legends? Speaking of legends, our host interviews the leading expert on The Spear of Destiny, the weapon that pierced the side of Christ and supposedly gives its owner the power to rule the world. What significance does the word OBAMA have in the Bible codes, referencing the Gog and Magog war? And what secrets does the North Pole hold? Were Admiral Byrd and Adolf Hitler’s suspicions right? Is the Hollow Earth theory credible? There’s even more—the latest news from Israel—an interview with David Brennan, author of the Israel Omen—Russian UFOs  and new, laboratory revelations from alien implant physician, Dr. Leir. Yes, it’s easily the best Watchers DVD yet!

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123 Responses to “Iran and the Straight of Hormuz”

  1. Eric W. said

    Interesting and disturbing scenario. Quite conceivable although there have been *some* steps made and exercises out there with the USA, Israel, and others in terms of trying to not let things go afoul out there.

    Israel’s Knesset officially concluded business and dissolved itself the other day so it looks like these January elections are going to be for real this time and not just “put the finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing.”

    IMHO I think it’s safe to say Israel isn’t going to make a move pre-emptively until at least those elections are done with. If they get attacked first, that’s a different story.

    • Eric W. said

      Genesis 6 motif:

      “http://www.deccanchronicle.com/node/163493″
      Activists warn over synthetic biology

      Hot off the press from Cris Putnam:
      “http://www.logosapologia.org/?p=4258″
      Transhumanism the Theologians ( really?)

    • Pudding said

      On Israel’s account they have to be smarter than their lying enemy are.
      Murky waters sure seams like a saddam hussein tactic who was last seen
      in a pit before going to an even darker one (allah’s busom).

    • lamarzulli said

      Pudding – well said in regard to Saddam!

    • Eric W. said

      Pudding if we were on a forum I’d be saying “sig worthy” to stuff like that Saddam comment you made. :)

      “http://flashtrafficblog.wordpress.com/2012/10/16/administration-turned-down-requests-for-more-security-in-libya-report-says-obama-skips-62-of-his-daily-intel-briefings/”
      ADMINISTRATION TURNED DOWN REQUESTS FOR MORE SECURITY IN LIBYA: Report says Obama skips 62% of his daily intel briefing

      Outrageous and appalling don’t cover it. And not nearly enough people even care.

    • Debra said

      Last night on PIDRadio, Derek and Sharon Gilbert talked about Hillary being “thrown under the bus” by Mr. Obama and Mr. Biden. They also inked to an article that goes into more detail. VP Biden claims that he and the prez are not responsible for embassy security matters -that is State Dept. issue- thus they were not informed of that particular problem in Benghazi. So are the recent Biden claims par for course or just a result of selective ditching of intel briefings? Either way a scapegoat is always needed in black op butt coverage and it looks as though the baton stops at Hillary on this one. A problem for sure in this election year. Stay tuned for what happens…..

    • Debra, they’re doing this because they know that the story is about to break on a large scale. The fact that Stevens was trafficking in Libyan chemical weapons, at the behest of the U.S., to Syrian rebels, and that Russia interfered and finally killed Stevens; and that none of it has anything to do with that movie, is starting to be known.

      The name of the “Oliver North” of the weapons deals will soon come forth, and the whole dirty affair will open up. Somebody has to pay when a potential false flag is uncovered and stopped.

      Russia will not allow the West to take over Eurasia. She just won’t – not without a fight.

    • Eric W. said

      You all need to watch this. 10 minutes. Pay attention to the dates Gary gives with the news accounts he puts out and then think about the last month of wall to wall lies and BS we’ve had to swim through from our government and media.

    • ghillie said

      Ah, Rose, where did you get the above information from?

    • Doug Hagmann is an investigative journalist with the Northeast Intelligence Network. He and his son have an internet radio program.

      Why Ambassador Stevens was Murdered

      “http://www.blogtalkradio.com/cfp-radio/2012/10/13/the-hagmann-hagmann-report”

      Start at about the 9 minute mark.

      Stevens was funneling Libyan chemical weapons from Ghaddafi’s storehouses via Benghazi to Turkey and the Free Syrian Army (FSA). They were to use it on the Syrian people (probably some village that actually was helping them), and then blame Assad for it.

      Viola! World War III…

      The Russians warned the Turks to stop allowing the weapons to come into their country, but they continued to work with the AlCIAda. Finally, the Russians killed Stevens to stop it.

      Doug Hagmann has been warned to quit talking about this and that it had nothing to do with the movie. Here is his article:

      “http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/49761″

      Body of lies from Benghazi to Barack

  2. This is a totally off topic prayer request for a front line ministry which operates during tis time of year…

    This was in response to a msg. about Christians celebrating Halloween…

    Thousands, literally… have gotten saved during “Hell House” “A Glimpse of Eternity.” during this season… Last time I was a part of it was 2010, There were 408 first time salvations and countless re-dedications to Jesus as Lord… This one is in Tyler TX. Oklahoma and other places have caught this vision and I’m not so sure that the enemy really likes this time of year anymore… seriously, please pray for this ministry during these days.

    • It’s an elaborate production with different horrific scenes from real life with Jesus addressing the groups from the cross at the end… EXTREMELY powerful.

    • Eric W. said

      “http://darkrailhellhouse.com/”

      This? Not sure about this at all.

    • I was a part of this in the 90’s… Went back in 2010 to help again… Look up Hell House Tyler Tx. the results are undeniable!!! We took over Halloween in East Texas, groups came from as far away as 6 hours… nominal Youth Groups caught on fire as a result of this ministry… I’ve watched whole groups fall to their knees in repentence at the scene where a bloody and battered Jesus told them from up on the cross why He died for them… We had teams of counselors waiting to meet each group as they exited… Teen Mania was/is a major help with actors and production in the Tyler area…

    • Your link has NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT… Our ministry are all live Chrstian actors from churches and ministries throughout East Texas, including Mercy Ships, YWAM, Teen Mania, etc…

    • brandyys said

      I have a friend is West Texas who does something just like this each year. She says it is amazing and hundreds have come to salvation. I will be praying for this ministry!

    • Eric W. said

      “Your link has NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT”

      That’s why I asked. ;)

    • Footnote… In 2010 we, (the staff) of “Hell House A glimpse of Eternity” got to meet a 3 year old little girl who was scheduled to be aborted… After going through “Hell House” , (with a scene depicting the satanic purpose of abortion) and hearing about the Love of Jesus at the foot of the cross scene and then being swarmed with prayed-up local counselors, (We ALWAYS hook people up with local fellowships in the counselling room)… The couple cancelled the “proceedure” got married, and introduced us all to their baby girl… need I say more?

    • Eric W. said

      Mystic does this ministry have a website or something we could all look at? :)

  3. Jennie Suter said

    I need your snail mail address to send a contribution. (I was at the Branson Conference) my e-mail is: jmarieb1844@gmail.com
    Thanks,
    Jennie Suter/Bicket

  4. Matt said

    “Iraqi Shi’ite militants fight for Syria’s Assad”

    The US created Al Qaeda to attack and weaken the USSR in Afghanistan. However the jihadists had their own agenda as we have seen…… Similarly they armed known jihadist groups in Syria with the same results… Now the same thing is happening in Syria. Surely the CIA, MI6 etc cannot be so stupid as to expect different outcomes from the same policy of arming militant jihadists??? Maybe the intent is to create a low level of ongoing terrorism which gives them the excuse to take away our freedoms in the name of security and to keep tax payers money flowing to the military industrial complex.

    • BINGO!

    • Eric W. said

      BINGO! x 2 Not going to change in three weeks, either. No matter what.

    • hopeful_watcher said

      Ok, I’ll join in. Bingo x3

      Agreed that it is a ruse to provide a pretense for eliminating liberties all in the name of security.

      The root of deception lies in this false assumption: those that oppose a great evil MUST be good.

    • Pudding said

      Bingo #4, Imagine they will probably be giving guns to Mexican drug lords next! Hmmm wait a minute I need a cup of coffee BRB.

    • I grew up in San Diego in the 60’s and 70’s… Used to surf in Mexico all the time… The Federal officers, AND the drug runners ALL had American made Thompson Machine guns even back then… Ain’t nothing new going on here these days…

    • Pudding said

      Reminds of the movie Lord of War with Nicolas Cage which I just noticed in the Trivia section of page on IMDB it says: “No US studios would back the film. International finances were secured instead.” Hmmmm I wonder why?
      “http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0399295/”

    • brandyys said

      Like this? “http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-20039031.html”

    • Matt said

      Geez Louise, I never had so many bingos. Did I win something? I want something for free ;) Go Obama!!

    • Pudding said

      Matt, You have won a miniature statue of the Zullilama and a substantial reduction in your retirement and medicare benefits, thank you for your participation.

    • It’s very telling that the FSA (Free Syrian Army) are shelling over the Turkish border with NATO rounds. How did Syrian rebels get NATO rounds? Hmmm…

      “http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2012/10/08/syria-nato-ammunition-was-used-to-attack-turkish-border-town-fsa-responsible/”

    • Matt, go get your Obammey phone while the gettin’ is good.

    • Keep praying for America, saints of God. Keep praying. The Lord hears us, and is well able to change things, if we pray in faith, nothing doubting, and if we refuse to be discouraged by the unbelief we see all around us. Even in Christian circles. His promise still remains, if My people who are called by My Name will humble themselves and pray and seek My face, then will I hear from Heaven, and will heal their land. If we really believe He can/and will do what He promised, then we really will see a change for the better. Nothing is impossible with our God. I still believe He can do anything, I don’t care how impossible it make look, God can do anything in answering the prayers of His people. He did mighty things for Israel when they turned back to Him in repentence and He can do mighty things in America, if enough of us will pray and believe.

    • Jesus said in what ever situation we may find ourselves in, that we should always pray, and never give up, no matter whats going on. Its Gods will for us to pray, that His will would be done in our country. Never ever give up. Keep praying, and don’t get discouraged, because it IS working. Our prayers are being heard and will prevail against the forces of evil and against the very gates of Hell, because Of His power thats working in us and through us. We should encourage eachother in this walk of faith.

      (Luke 18:18 )
      1And he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray, and not to faint;

      2 Saying, There was in a city a judge, which feared not God, neither regarded man:

      3 And there was a widow in that city; and she came unto him, saying, Avenge me of mine adversary.

      4 And he would not for a while: but afterward he said within himself, Though I fear not God, nor regard man;

      5 Yet because this widow troubleth me, I will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me.

      6 And the Lord said, Hear what the unjust judge saith.

      7 And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?

      8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

    • moonpieeyes said

      Hey Rose, LOL, looks like Obama slipped her some crack in that phone!

    • That video is a sad commentary on the American entitlement class.

  5. LindaFromToronto said

    On-line article today — still some strong speculation that Israel may attack Iran this fall:

    “http://www.timesofisrael.com/decision-by-netanyahu-and-barak-to-strike-iran-is-almost-final-israeli-tv-says/”

    • Kirk Domitrovic said

      Most people do NOT know…because they won’t watch the video…

      BUT…

      “Mr. bad mood i’m in a Jihad” just lost “his camera man” when he made his
      recent trip to speak at the United Nations recently. The Iranian defected.
      He took TWO SUIT CASES FULL of VIDEOS FROM THE IRANIAN NUCLEAR POWER SITES OF WHAT WAS BEING DONE IN IRAN AND HE DID NOT
      GO BACK TO IRAN.

      This is in the video I mentioned at 108-112 minutes.

      Ties right back to a previous prophetic word in 2007.

      Kirk

    • JLL said

      Kirk, the defection was in the news two weeks ago. I read it in the Times of Israel. It was in the U.S. media also.

  6. hopeful_watcher said

    Wanted to post this hypothesis regarding the origin of crop circles. Didn’t get a chance from last post that was talking about the Crabwood glyph.

    Here are some unifying qualities of crop circles, the ones considered “authentic”.

    – stalks are bent over close to the ground but not on the ground
    – stalks are not damaged or broken which would happen of you mashed it down
    – soil samples show small metal pellets of almost pure iron about a third the size of a grain of sand in and around glyph locations
    – some nodes on the stalks have an expulsion hole where the stalk is bent over
    – low nodes on the stalk are fatter and longer than typical nodes

    Hypothesis:
    – treat area to be receive crop glyph with iron pellets. Could be done with crop dusters
    – wait to allow iron to penetrate the soil
    – iron as a nutrient is needed by plants for photosynthesis. Allow time for plants to absorb iron pellets, which are 40 microns small. Small enough to be absorbed by the roots, to big to raise far up the stalk and too pure to become a solution in water
    – these iron pellets bottleneck at the first node altering their growth
    – after time has passed, shock the area using microwaves mounted on a satelite using a computer for precision lines and curves
    – the heat created in the iron bends the stalks at the weak knuckles, sometimes hot enough for expulsion like a kernel of popcorn

    This would be very doable scientifically, but would require military technology.

  7. Kirk Domitrovic said

    THIS IS FOR EVERYONE ….regarding ISRAEL.

    I CAN’T TELL YOU ANY MORE PLAINLY THAN THIS.

    GO TO THE FOLLOWING WEBSITE: KIMCLEMENT.com

    WATCH THE OCTOBER 12, 2012 BROADCAST FROM ISRAEL.

    YOU NEED TO HEAR THIS NOW !!!!! GOD IS AT WORK IN ISRAEL !!!!!

    KIRK

    • JLL said

      Kirk, that’s a 114-minute video; even though I’m retired, that’s a lot of my time. Could you give us a hint: either where in the video, or what he’s talking about?

      I’ve had very little exposure to this guy (a few minutes of another video), and I wasn’t impressed.

      The background info on his website could go either way but is best described as “fuzzy” — which always sets off alarm bells.

      When I did an online search, I found this
      “http://www.letusreason.org/Popteac14.htm”
      and I have to say I know nothing whatsoever about that site. However, what they say about him — and how they quote him — doesn’t look good.

      Looking a little farther, I found this Kim Clement “prophecy” about Obama:
      “http://faithcenter.wordpress.com/2009/01/19/the-kim-clement-prophecy-on-barack-obama-tudesday-january-20-2009/”

      Here is an excerpt; I don’t know when it was written, but sometime (possibly years) before his inauguration.

      For they have unfairly spoken against an African man, and I’m not talking about Jeremiah Wright; I’m talking about Obama. For God said, “Even though you may think this or that, there is an element of righteousness inside of him to reach out for Jesus. Therefore, I will sway it next week,” says the Spirit of God, “and I will cause My man, My power–to exalt in the White House what is necessary to declare victory. For this time, I shall rise up and I shall make known who I am in a way that I have never done it in this nation,” says the Lord.

      For the Spirit of God says, “Do not say, ‘Is it this one or is it that one?’ Hear me out. I am raising up My mantle, My voice. This nation shall be awakened to a spiritual activity that has been dead for 42 years. Listen to Me,” says the Lord. “I will take over in a way and in a fashion that will bring a force of spiritual unity in this nation for the first time. You can believe it or not. I will take white and I will take African, and I will bring a unity in the Church between the two of them,” says the Spirit of God.

      This night in America and in this next week, God has informed us to “watch” as He unfolds and reveals things so you will know that your nation has not been set aside for division and discord; but a time in the Church where African-American, where white or Caucasian, where Hispanic and every race in this nation under the spiritual guidance of the Spirit within a midst of war and division–will bring them to a place of unity.

      I am not impressed by this “prophecy” either.

    • John Michael said

      Kim Clement is a false prophet and should be avoided.

    • Kirk Domitrovic said

      JLL…

      There will ALWAYS be “nay-sayers” against a man of God…just like
      LA has to deal with from very IGNORANT people and those bent on evil.

      I have seen Kim Clement’s prophetic words and his love for ISRAEL for
      over 20 YEARS. Kim and his team have been reaching out to ISRAEL
      for many years! This video is ANOTHER of Kim’s trips to ISRAEL to stand
      with The Jewish people and to bless them financially, spiritually, and even
      in this video they make a special trip to a Jewish family from Russia with
      6 kids and a father who abandoned her and her kids due to her having
      to go through chemotherapy. Well, Kim and his team have been given
      an opportunity to intervene in her situation and many others.

      In this specific video, Kim and his team go to each border of ISRAEL
      and proclaim GOD’s PROVISION and PROTECTION for ISRAEL.

      In this video, like just about ALL of Kim’s videos, they catalog his prophetic
      proclamations over the years and show how they are coming to pass.
      It is impossible to recount how many there have been, but so AWESOME
      to see things over the last few years coming to pass.

      I have see this man of God’s ministry bless the lives of UNTOLD numbers
      of people and people the world over have been BLESSED through his
      ministry. He is a very humble and very bold minister of the Gospel.
      He is a true giver. He blesses the people of God and is a powerful example
      of a man surrendered to God Almighty.

      I STRONGLY encourage you to WATCH THE VIDEO. THE MANY UNIQUE
      AND PROPHETIC INSIGHTS AND RECENT EVENTS THAT COME OUT
      IN THIS VIDEO ARE TIMELY AND NOT HEARD THROUGH OTHER NEWS.

      I DO NOT WASTE MY TIME WITH TRIVIAL MATTERS.

      HISTORY IS HAPPENING NOW. THIS VIDEO IS A SMALL PART OF IT.

      Kirk

      Ps …major thing mentioned at 108 min to 111 min….
      THIS IS ONLY ONE of the many things Kim’s ministry has brought forth.
      This video has OTHER INSIGHTS you’ll miss if you don’t watch it all.
      YOUR CHOICE.

    • Kirk Domitrovic said

      JOHN MICHAEL…

      You speak evil of a true man of God.

      May God have mercy on you for your ignorance.

      Kirk

    • john B said

      There was a time when the church use to say ‘the prophets word if it does not come to pass then He is a false prophet.. Now it is acceptable for prophets to ‘make mistakes’ or to be completely wrong! and still be a prophet… There are such as false prophets in the churches 2Pet2:1

      To make mistakes is To say that God inspires false prophecy.
      many shall come in my name and deceive many!

      if Clement has had it wrong, then he is no prophet.. Got to watch these showman They get paid as well!!

      blessings

      john B

    • John Michael said

      Kirk,

      John B is right and you are deluded. Wake up and look at this man for what he is.

      “You speak evil of a true man of God.May God have mercy on you for your ignorance.”

      Come on Kirk, you’re smarter than this. Kim Clement is a false prophet, do some research and pray about what you discover and the Holy Spirit will show you that KC is not to be trusted.

      God bless you Kirk as you pull away from KC’s teaching.

      Shalom

    • @Kirk:

      I saw the 114 minute video Kim Clement has on his website.

      I would always watch his show late at night but haven’t for a long time. So glad to see him televising his ministry on the internet.

      The video is very powerful and I felt the presence of the Lord over me as I stood in the prayer of agreement with Kim as he prayed over each of the borders of Israel for protection.

      I love his prophecies over Israel and it was so spiritually uplifting.

      I say to anyone who doesn’t want to take the time to listen or pray: You are depriving yourselves of a benefit. It’s not just praying, it’s a lesson on how to pray for protection, not only by yourself, but the Lord God has provided a “Prophet” to lead. It’s priceless.

      I kept being reminded by the Lord when He had the Prophet Elisha (2 Kings 13:14-19) instruct Joash to take bows and arrows (decree and declare) against Syria for protection–now that’s prophetic!:

      “14 Elisha had become sick with the illness of which he would die. Then Joash the king of Israel came down to him, and wept over his face, and said, “O my father, my father, the chariots of Israel and their horsemen!”

      15 And Elisha said to him, “Take a bow and some arrows.” So he took himself a bow and some arrows. 16 Then he said to the king of Israel, “Put your hand on the bow.” So he put his hand on it, and Elisha put his hands on the king’s hands. 17 And he said, “Open the east window”; and he opened it. Then Elisha said, “Shoot”; and he shot. And he said, “The arrow of the Lord’s deliverance and the arrow of deliverance from Syria; for you must strike the Syrians at Aphek till you have destroyed them.” 18 Then he said, “Take the arrows”; so he took them. And he said to the king of Israel, “Strike the ground”; so he struck three times, and stopped. 19 And the man of God was angry with him, and said, “You should have struck five or six times; then you would have struck Syria till you had destroyed it! But now you will strike Syria only three times.””

      The power of God’s Word, and the Prophets are divine and of God, true and effective.

      Blessings,

    • Eric W. said

      If someone is truly a prophet of God they HAVE to be right 100 percent of the time. That’s right out of the Bible. Not 99 percent. Not 95 percent. It’s all or nothing.

      Just be careful, folks. Ok? :)

    • john B said

      Seahorsemary:your example you provide about Elisha is that of a true prophet. I have yet to be shown form the bible where there are prophets that get it wrong and collect Tithe from their congregation.

      The biggest problem in the church today is too many charlatans with big mouths!

      blessings

      john B

    • @ John B:

      A true prophet of God is just that “a true prophet of God.” It’s a person who never gets it wrong because it’s God who always leads. It’s God who uses His Word from the mouth of a human being. The human being sometimes doesn’t know what is about to be spoken. The words just flow from their inner most being by the Holy Spirit.

      I’ve been used by God to “speak” or utter His will. It’s breathtaking. When I first experienced it, I was so totally amazed and certainly knew it wasn’t me speaking but knew in my bowels that it was a Word from the Lord.

      I’ve prayed many times to the Lord that nothing “not of Him” is to come of my mouth when He wishes to use me. This also applies to when I am “composing” a written word that I know is from Him.

      If you have a full study of the fruits of the Holy Spirit and the gifts of the Holy Spirit and their operations, then you can flow in the “Word” effectively.

      However, the Word must line up biblically.

      As for tithing and offerings–that’s a totally different topic. I gather that some people don’t believe in tithing or even offerings–too bad, that too brings its own benefits; however, not for those who don’t practice it–I do.

      It’s not for me to be argumentative, just look at the scriptures and you will find thousands of substantiated verses backing up these principles.

      Blessings,

    • robert said

      It needs to be a pretty big miracle to justify a president who is OK with killing babies, who tries to wash his hands of the subject by saying it is above his pay grade. But apparently enough others here say there is reason enough to doubt this “prophecy”

      PS… amen to that request to clarify the video links when you post them. Who has time to sift through every request to “watch this” or “check this out”. I usually won’t simply because i don’t like to waste my time.

    • Jacqueline said

      Eric W., that is not true about prophets, that is legalism.

      The old covenant had only select prophets upon whom the Holy Spirit came, and then they would prophesy in the specific “office” of “prophet”. Now, we have the Joel prediction fulfilled, beginning at Pentecost, where the Holy Spirit is poured out, and our “sons and daughters” prophesy. It is no longer an office of being God’s literal mouthpiece, but a gift to be exercised for the edification of the Body. Even Paul admitted that prophesying needed boundaries because of its messiness, for example, don’t have the whole church prophesying, don’t fall prey to despising prophesy, and in 1 Cor. 14:29, we are told to judge the prophecies to see if they are true: “Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said.”

      Prophecy is something God wants us to “earnestly desire” above all gifts except love, Dear Eric, you are missing out! Discernment is what God gave us our bibles for. We need all the power and wisdom we can get in this evil age! If satan has prophets today, why wouldn’t the Almighty?

    • john B said

      Seahorsemary; I have been around long enough to know a false prophet when i see one I have looked at clement’s prophesying background even this one of our discussion Prophets do not get it wrong, He has in the past.

      A prophecy is not a word from the Lord.. A prophecy is a message defining a future event in accord with the determined will of God..
      The so called words (prophecies) from the Lord that is at times displayed in ‘a Congregation’ are usually means of exaltation to the Body.. That is what The Apostle taught in 1Cor14:2 Look it Up!
      This is not the charlatanism that I am referring. The ones That i am referring is those who predict some event and it does not eventuate.

      blessings

      john B

    • Eric W. said

      Jacqueline: I agree with all of that. :)

      What I’m talking about is a group of certain types of people people out there that try to pass themselves off as prophets in more of that Old Testament sense you’re referring to.

    • ” A prophecy is a message defining a future event in accord with the determined will of God..
      The so called words (prophecies) from the Lord that is at times displayed in ‘a Congregation’ are usually means of exaltation to the Body.. That is what The Apostle taught in 1Cor14:2 Look it Up!”

      (Math 13:14)
      14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy (prophēteia) of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

      (1 Cor 13:2)
      2 And though I have the gift of prophecy (prophēteia) and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

      (1 Cor 14;22)
      22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying ( propheteia)serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

      prophēteia
      1) prophecy

      a) a discourse emanating from divine inspiration and declaring the purposes of God, whether by reproving and admonishing the wicked, or comforting the afflicted, or revealing things hidden; esp. by foretelling future events

      b) Used in the NT of the utterance of OT prophets

      1) of the prediction of events relating to Christ’s kingdom and its speedy triumph, together with the consolations and admonitions pertaining to it, the spirit of prophecy, the divine mind, to which the prophetic faculty is due

      2) of the endowment and speech of the Christian teachers called prophets

      3) the gifts and utterances of these prophets, esp. of the predictions of the works of which, set apart to teach the gospel, will accomplish for the kingdom of Christ

    • Kirk Domitrovic said

      Some of you on here…JLL, John Michael, John B, Eric W, John B, ….

      Each of you needs to understand how a man or woman of God moves
      in the gifts of the Spirit of God. And I would dare say that NONE OF YOU
      moves in the Gifts of the Spirit…because you have never been TAUGHT…
      because GOOD TEACHERS are few and difficult to find. Since that is the case, I would say that NONE of you has sat under the teaching of how these things get manifested in the life of a person submitted to God.
      >>>>>>>>Does this make me “better” than you…??……….NOT !!!

      BUT I WILL TELL YOU PLAINLY…
      “YOU ARE MISSING OUT ON WHAT JESUS DIED FOR YOU TO HAVE!!”

      We need the FRUITS of The Spirit …AND…The Gifts of The Spirit….BOTH !!

      That is one of the MAJOR reasons THE CHURCH in many segments of it
      are POWERLESS, WEAK, and have NO DEMONSTRATION of THE SPIRIT.
      See ROMANS 15:18-19 …1 CORINTHIANS 4:20…1 THESS 1:5…HEB 2:4

      JACQUELINE and SEASHOREMARY…both of their posts are right on !!

      EACH person is am imperfect vessel…ONLY GOD IS PERFECT.

      Paul…by inspiration of the Holy Spirit says that….
      we …mature believers…are to JUDGE THE PROPHECIES.

      We are NOT to be “brainless idiots” wandering aimlessly after some person.
      THAT is what a “cult” does when people “pitch their brain out the window!!”

      Paul said, “Follow me…AS I FOLLOW CHRIST.” Paul was a man…imperfect
      as you and I. But He was submitted to God and the Leaders in THE CHURCH
      that God put around him, because it is FOR PROTECTION.

      You just don’t take everything you hear “and swallow it”…you compare
      it with SCRIPTURE…and with “prophetic” declarations …often there is
      a time frame in which it will be fulfilled “unbeknownst” to our feeble
      little understandings! And THAT too is another point…because God
      speaks things “in such a way”…FOR HIS GLORY…
      and to keep the devil “in the dark”…1 Corinthians 12-14 goes over this.

      Someone newly Born-Again will NOT be able to discern the TRUTH at times
      as someone OLDER in the Faith who has grown by the WORD and
      in The Spirit. EACH person “prophesies” …according to THEIR faith
      as it clearly tells us in ROMANS 12:6.

      RE-read Matthew 16:13-23…Peter gets a GREAT REVELATION from
      The Father regarding who JESUS CHRIST is …THE SON of The Living God…
      and in just a few verses later JESUS REBUKES PETER…
      because Peter is now speaking something CONTRARY to God’s Will.

      So the point is, we are fallible humans …WHO CAN BE USED MIGHTILY
      TO SPEAK OUT SOMETHING FROM GOD…”as to prophesy”….
      BUT…WE ARE ALL SUBMITTED TO THE WORD…or …SHOULD BE !!

      BECAUSE WE CAN ALL “miss it”…since we do NOT see everything clearly
      as God does….like I said …when even PETER can get a REVELATION
      from GOD and then turn around and “miss it”……….
      THAT is a lesson of TRUTH for us ALL !!!!

      BUT we SHOULD NOT stand in IGNORANCE of what God says…
      “To desire EARNESTLY…”spiritual gifts”…

      BUT ESPECIALLY THAT YOU MAY PROPHESY.” 1 Corinthians 14:1

      There is CLEARLY 5 OFFICES of AUTHORITY IN THE CHURCH…
      EPHESIANS 4:11-16…and each has it’s FUNCTION with PURPOSE
      as these Scriptures reveal. To NOT appreciate and understand
      the Ministry of The Prophet is to miss out on the FULLNESS of what
      Gifts (Ephesians 4:7-8) God has given to man…. Because JESUS gave
      of Himself to man and shares THAT GIFTING in Himself through the
      5 Ministry Gifts that He gave to The CHURCH.

      REMEMBER: NO MAN CONTAINS IT ALL…NO MAN KNOWS IT ALL.

      ONLY JESUS MINISTERED IN THE FULLNESS of THE SPIRIT of GOD.

      THEREFORE,
      we NEED “all 5 of the Ministry Gifts” to help us GROW UP INTO HIM.

      I will finish this post with this EXHORTATION:

      WATCH THE VIDEO…and you will see this man of God’s heart…
      and the role Kim is being allowed to play in the events of ISRAEL
      in these days. He is NOT the only one, but Kim is a mature, godly man
      who loves His wife and kids, and those he has recently adopted,
      and He certainly does NOT have to answer to “the nay-sayers”.
      His life bears MUCH FRUIT. And those who know Kim are blessed by him!
      He is a gift to the Body of Christ. Ephesians 4:11

      FURTHERMORE…
      Kim Clement is NOT some “charlatan” or some “money grabber”…
      as some of you imply. If you only knew how much of a giver He is…
      you’d be ashamed of yourself for even the implication. Kim teaches
      people how to be a godly steward as well as how to position yourself
      to receive from God…because THERE IS A DIVINE ORDER in how
      a person RECEIVES from God. THAT is the TRUTH.

      YOU MUST BE BLESSED IN ORDER TO BE A BLESSING.

      IF YOU DO NOT HAVE IT…THEN YOU CAN’T GIVE IT.

      Sadly, THAT SUBJECT is also one THAT MANY have NOT been taught.

      Again, IF you WANT to be BLESSED…WATCH THE VIDEO…
      it ties right in with all of LA’s many BLOGS and gives other insights
      that all tie into the greater whole of what is going on in ISRAEL.

      LA does a phenomenal job on this BLOG and his videos, etc.
      BUT…LA does NOT see it all, or know it all. He is humble and knows it.
      Same goes for Kim Clement. Kim has insights and prophetic revelation
      that “ADDS” to the insights we learn on THIS BLOG by LA.

      And I FEEL that EVERYONE can learn from this video…IF THEY WANT.

      WATCH THE VIDEO …AND BE BLESSED !!!

      Kirk

    • Eric W. said

      Kirk: “JACQUELINE and SEASHOREMARY…both of their posts are right on !!”

      I agreed with Jacqueline. ;)

    • Pudding said

      Kirk, I think you know that when anybody who posts a link on this blog, the site in question usually gets evaluated by someone on this blog, so perhaps you expected this argument, did you?
      Whatever the case I think most here have interest in covering each others back and not attacking the ones who we respect.
      Anyway:
      I did a Google specific search: false “Kim Clement” 67,000 hits, it appears that almost all these hits refers to him as being false. That is a high high amount, my question is why is that?

      Test everything. Hold on to that which is good.

    • john B said

      Kirk; you are assuming a lot, you know nothing about me.

      I have had plenty to do with Charismatics and pentecostal.
      you don’t learn a ministerial Gift by Going to some “school of prophecy” having pre-paid for the course.. only suckers fall for that one..
      It’s like speaking in tongues “Repeat after me as I lay hand upon your head, now start by repeating some syllables and the Spirit will take over. How many time I have heard that one! That is Charlatanism big time.
      (((you pay me and i will make you a prophet)))
      What did Christ ascend for?
      That which is His is given freely to His church, I don’t have to pay for nothing! He paid it all for me. and I take what he freely gives and in turn freely give.That is LOVE!
      These people make me sick with there is an abundant “principle in Tithing” What a load of get rich jerks “Tithe collectors”
      They deny the wealth and abundance of God’s grace by their actions. I am not against giving if the cause is Holy But to feed Liars i will not!

      john B

    • Kirk Domitrovic said

      John B…

      There are alot of ignorant people out there too…ALSO with BIG MOUTHS.

      THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IN THE CHURCH…OR AT LEAST A HUGE ONE…

      IS THE LACK OF GOOD TEACHING…which leaves people ignorant.

      “MY PEOPLE PERISH FOR THE LACK of KNOWLEDGE.” Hosea 4:6

      1 Timothy 5:17-18…
      “Let the elders who RULE WELL be considered WORTHY of “double honor”,
      especially those WHO WORK HARD AT PREACHING and TEACHING.
      For the Scripture says, YOU SHALL NOT MUZZLE THE OX WHILE HE IS
      THRESHING, and THE LABORER IS WORTHY of HIS WAGES.”

      Implied from these verses we can understand several things:
      1) NOT EVERYONE RULES WELL.
      2) SOME DESERVE TWICE AS MUCH HONOR FOR THEIR WORK.
      3) NOT ALL WORK HARD AT PREACHING & TEACHING/some are LAZY !!
      4) THE MINISTRY GIFTS (Eph 4:11) GET TO EAT TOO!
      5) THEY ARE WORTHY of THEIR WAGES!

      1 Corinthians 9:11
      “IF WE SOWED SPIRITUAL THINGS IN YOU, IS IT TOO MUCH IF WE
      SHOULD REAP MATERIAL THINGS FROM YOU ???”

      “Material Things”…means STUFF…like STUFF you use your money to buy.
      Like buying a nice suit for a Minister of the GOSPEL. Or paying off a man
      of God’s house. Or paying for a Minister’s kid’s education. or buying a
      dinner for them. Or buying an appliance for them or doing their house work
      so the Minister can spend more time in The Word and Prayer.

      OR…The actual money in your pocket…
      GIVEN TO BLESS THEIR MINISTRY and THEIR FAMILY.

      1 Corinthians 9:14
      “SO ALSO THE LORD DIRECTED THOSE WHO PROCLAIM THE GOSPEL
      TO GET THEIR LIVING FROM THE GOSPEL.”

      This means a MINISTER GETS PAID …..”for their ministry work”.

      And we shouldn’t pay them “peanuts” either!! They aren’t “elephants”.

      Or how about 2 Corinthians chapters 8 and 9 …all about GIVING !!!

      And also GALATIANS 6:6-10….

      All about BLESSING those who TEACH THE WORD!

      In The Word,
      YOU will see that MANY of GOD’s GREATEST MEN of GOD
      ALL THROUGHOUT THE OLD TESTAMENT WHERE EXTREMELY WEALTHY. That means …”They had lots of STUFF !!”
      Cattle, sheep, servants, Gold, silver, etc….AND IT WAS FROM GOD !!!

      Abraham, Isaac, David, Solomon, Jehoshaphat, Hezekiah, Job….
      and NONE of these men were “perfect”, But were sure WEALTHY !!!!

      It is time for YOU and OTHERS to understand…

      It is NOT wrong for a CHRISTIAN TO BE WEALTHY….GOD DESIRES THAT
      TO BE THE CASE FOR ALL HIS KIDS…BUT ALSO THAT WE ARE NOT
      RULED or SO FOCUSED ON THE WEALTH ITSELF.

      MONEY IS SIMPLY A TOOL IN OUR HANDS TO BE A BLESSING
      and TO ESTABLISH GOD’s COVENANT IN THE EARTH.

      IF YOU HAVE MORE…THEN YOU CAN DO MORE.

      See Deuteronomy 8:18…
      God gives us POWER to get wealth…… to confirm His Covenant.

      See Isaiah 48:17…
      God teaches US to profit and leads us in the way we should go.
      ( BUT … do we listen ??? )

      Psalm 35:27 says…
      “And LET THEM SAY CONTINUALLY,
      THE LORD be magnified, WHO DELIGHTS IN THE PROSPERITY
      of HIS SERVANT.” Same idea in 3 John verse 2.

      Proverbs 15:6 says MUCH WEALTH is in the house of the Righteous!

      There is NO dollar amount attached to that necessarily, cause it varies
      in people’s various levels of faith and acting on God’s Word and being
      obedient to follow His principles about wealth as outlined in His Word.

      GOD blesses us ACCORDING TO HIS RICHES IN GLORY….
      NOT THE ECONOMY OF THE WORLD. Phil 4:19

      One of the MAJOR issues in the CHURCH…is that many are “controlled”
      by money…and they have NONE…because their “relationship” with money
      is NOT Biblical and they have NOT been taught about “sowing & reaping”.

      One reason more ministers are becoming WEALTHY…and it’s God’s Will…
      is because they are LEARNING the principles of God’s economy …
      and that it operates by GIVING….”sowing and reaping”….
      cause you ALWAYS “reap” what you “sow”. God made it that way!

      SURE, there are “abuses” because of immaturity, greed, disobedience, etc.

      But that just PROVES there is TRUTH and BALANCE in the principles
      of LEARNING HOW to handle the WEALTH that GOD puts into our hands.

      WHEN HE sees our heart is right towards MONEY…and that HE can get
      it “THROUGH US” for the needs and wants of others, while also giving
      it “TO US” for personal blessing, then HE is free to release
      HIS POWER on our behalf…in order to CONFIRM HIS COVENANT !!!

      Luke 6:38
      “Give, and it will be given to you. They will pour into your lap a good measure– pressed down, shaken together, and running over.
      For by your standard of measure it will be measured to you in return.”

      A BIG part of positioning oneself to be BLESSED by God is in how
      a person CHOOSES TO TREAT a man or woman of God. If we act
      “stingy” towards them, then that is How God responds to us.
      You are “reaping” what you have NOT “sown” into the life of God’s Gift.
      If people treat God’s ministers with contempt, they “reap” the same!

      And THAT is a “major” reason why so many of God’s people are “broke”,
      because they are NOT giving with the right understanding
      of How God’s Kingdom functions….cause they have NOT been taught.

      “There is one who scatters, and yet increases all the more,
      And there is one who withholds what is justly due,
      and yet it results only in want. Proverbs 11:24

      WEALTH is only a problem “for those” who do NOT keep their eyes on God.

      Kirk

    • Its not good to go around badmouthing a man’s ministry, focusing only on the bad, while completely ignoring the good. What if God is working through him to transform peoples lives, anyway? Maybe he doesn’t meet our standards, and maybe he’s not perfect, but God still chooses to use Him, aren’t we then interfereing with God’s work? If we don’t eat with the man, sleep with the man, spy on him and see how much he prays or reads the Bible. If we don’t know for sure what he does with all of his money, if he may be giving secretly to God’s work so he doesn’t lose his rewards,do we really have the right to pass judgement on him? Did God give us that right? There are things about ourselves that WE don’t even know, but will come out at the Judgement seat of Christ, so how can we know everything about someone else? I think we’re all too mouthy. One day we’ll be accountable for every word. They were badmouthing Paul too. That was one of the reason Paul worked. So they couldn’t hold money against him, he cut off Satans oportunity. Satan is the accuser of the brethren. We shouldn’t give him place. If theres the slightest doubt, then keep silent. If you are not intimately acquainted with the person you’re slandering, keep silent. If you yourself have flaws, then keep silent.

      (1 Cor 4:2)
      2Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful.
      3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man’s judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.
      4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.
      5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God

      Romans 14:10)
      10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

    • john B said

      Kirk it is not the wealth as such It is the “manipulative process of twisting the scripture to gain someone’s hard earned money promising them wealth in return”. Pastors need to earn a living like every man instead of dependence from others hard work.. This is possible if the Apostolic model of shepherding was put into practice as it was in the apostolic church!

      I am going on 34 years in my walk with the lord, I have never tithed in my life because I believe it to be a Law for Ancient Israel and not taught by the Apostles.
      I have supported certain ministries when I felt The Spirit’s prompting and it has usually been those associated with Martyrs, widows and orphans..
      I don’t strive for any more than God’s providence and He has always supplied more than enough Praise the Lord!

      If the Apostolic principle of a “collective eldership” was applied as Paul showed Timothy to be the model for all churches.. there would be no need to place one man on a salary. The money would not have to be demanded as the rule of membership to the church. it would be a free will offering as was in the early Apostolic church. and if the church agreed that one or more elder needed to be funded for some outlay out of his own pocket it could be met with ease.. there would be no burden on anyone with plenty of money supporting missionary workers and the poor.

      The Pastor mentality which is a spill over from the Romish system has permitted the unscriptural tithing methods of today. There is plenty more I can say on the matter of Tithing May be one day I’ll blog on it

      blessings to you Kirk in Jesus name

      john b

    • Kirk Domitrovic said

      I wonder,

      JESUS was… “known as a GLUTTON and a WINE-Bibber”. Matt 11:19
      JESUS was… “Accused of casting out demons BY THE RULER of demons”.
      JESUS was… “Mocked for acknowledging That He was The king of The Jews.”
      JESUS was… “Supported by many women, HE & His disciples…Luke 8:1-3.”
      JESUS was… “WATCHING as people gave their money in the offering Lk 21:1-4

      and I would say that Matthew 5: 11-12 is profoundly true today too!

      Kirk

    • Kirk Domitrovic said

      John B…

      The Principle of TITHING began with Abraham…as was noted in
      Genesis chapter 14 verses 17-24. Also Hebrews 7:1-10 mentions this.

      The LAW was NOT given until given to Moses in EXODUS 19 and following
      chapters.

      Hundreds of years down the line!

      The whole “false teaching” that the TITHE is not viable today, because we
      live under “grace” and not “The Law” is a bunch of bunk!

      The “so-called” average Christian (by numerous polls on Christian Giving)
      seems to indicate that most Christians give about 3% of what they make.
      So forget the “alms” and “giving to the poor” and the “giving above and
      beyond the tithe”…The CHURCH as a WHOLE does NOT even do “the basic”.

      Malachi 3:8-12…
      ” 8“Will a man rob God? Yet you are robbing Me! But you say, ‘How have we robbed You?’ In tithes and offerings. 9“You are cursed with a curse, for you are robbing Me, the whole nation of you! 10“Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, so that there may be food in My house, and test Me now in this,” says the LORD of hosts, “if I will not open for you the windows of heaven and pour out for you a blessing until it overflows. 11“Then I will rebuke the devourer for you, so that it will not destroy the fruits of the ground; nor will your vine in the field cast its grapes,” says the LORD of hosts. 12“All the nations will call you blessed, for you shall be a delightful land,” says the LORD of hosts.

      Because so MANY in THE CHURCH are in disobedience to this principle
      of giving…MANY CHURCHES STRUGGLE CONSTANTLY…
      yet oftentimes people “feed” on The Word…BUT give NOTHING of substance
      to the Work of The kingdom…which INCLUDES taking care of God’s workers.

      Scripture makes it clear, when The Word is taught correctly.

      Kirk

    • john B said

      Well; I tell you what Kirk, may be all of these tithe collector pastors that have conned millions out of church members can pay everybody’s tithe on their behalf.. You need to show me from the New Testament where the Apostles preached Tithing as compulsory to membership..

      If you or anyone wishes to Pay tithe that is your business, But do not tell me that I am disobedient for not participating in the Mammon wrought of denominational net-works. That is how I see it “pew robbery”

      It’s like I said we need to follow the Apostolic model of church government and be cheerful givers!

      blessings

      john B

    • Kirk Domitrovic said

      Pudding…

      As you said in above Post which I copied below:

      “I did a Google specific search: false “Kim Clement” 67,000 hits, it appears that almost all these hits refers to him as being false. That is a high high amount, my question is why is that?”
      **** **** **** **** **** **** ****

      Pudding…
      Now with your “reasoning” … applied to the “days of Jesus and His ministry”
      on the earth,…….. IF Facebook, Google, Twitter, etc were around then…

      I WONDER …

      JUST HOW MANY “HITS” WOULD TAG JESUS AS A….
      “FALSE PROPHET”……., WINE-BIBBER,……… “RULER of demons”.

      HOW MANY ??? 1….50….100’s…..??

      Or How about this………….ENOUGH TO SHOUT ….”CRUCIFY HIM !!!!”

      AND THAT…MY FRIEND……..IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY DID.

      “They” being The Jews….JESUS OWN PEOPLE…THEY CRUCIFIED HIM !!!!

      To which JESUS lamented as He spoke over Jerusalem because HE knew
      what was coming in just a couple days…Matthew 23:37-39…

      “37“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. 38“Behold, your house is being left to you desolate! 39“For I say to you, from now on you will not see Me until you say, ‘BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD!’”

      You can see the same idea in Matthew 5:11-12 and Luke 6:22-23.

      HOW MANY PROPHETS and PRIESTS and KINGS did the nation of ISRAEL
      stone and persecute…down through the ages….

      YET THEY SPOKE FOR GOD! SAME is true for this day and age!

      Satan ALWAYS attacks the TRUE man or woman of God…
      it’s just really sad when stupid Christians join in with the devil.

      Now THAT is sad and pitiful !!!

      Kirk

    • Pudding said

      Kirk, Let me try to simplify what you said to see if I understand. You are saying this man is a true prophet of God, correct? Also none of his prophecies have failed or many some or a few have failed and because he is only human this does not classify him as a false Prophet. (I am having a little difficulty in wrapping my head around this). Lastly, every accusation on the internet etc. is a Christian attack led by the devil?

      I think I might give up drinking coffee..

    • Pudding said

      Kirk, Thanks for the explanation.

      Keep looking up.

  8. LA, just wanted to say “thank you” for introducing me to the works of David Flynn.

    Bought his eBook available on Kindle, “Temple At The Center Of Time.” What a fascinating topic. I’m a bit past the first chapter and I’m finding it difficult to put it down. Much thought and information is involved almost in each paragraph. Maybe I’m thinking too hard but really, it’s a must think book!

    Thanks again.

    Blessings,

    • Some of David’s GREAT seminars used to be available on alienresistance.com These are basically people who have stopped the “Alien” abduction phenom. by invoking the name of Jesus… David was the “Light” for many of these victims… (I was one.)

    • robert said

      they used to be found on google videos also.

      Who knew his first book was going to reach $100+ on amazon.

      Sorry dave’s gone, only hope to see him again.

  9. Gordy said

    The following documentary and scriptural reference is a warning to everyone not to follow fallen human leaders rather than Christ for ultimate spiritual guidance or political leadership.

    Matt.23

    [1] Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
    [2] Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat:
    [3] All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
    [4] For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
    [5] But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
    [6] And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
    [7] And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
    [8] But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
    [9] And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
    [10] Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
    [11] But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

  10. john B said

    As christians focus on the prophetical prognosis of the Arab spring, they tend to see the muslim as the enemy. lets us realize that before the overthrow of what the “media” called the dictators of Iraq, Egypt, Libya Christians had the liberty of worship.. As it stands presently the majority have become refugees and the remainder live in fear of death..
    IT is the Christian Church which is the real targeted of the beasts socialist democratic agenda..
    Brothers and sisters just like you and I who profess that Jesus is the saviour and the only way to salvation are the real targets! that is where the real battle is!.. God knows the Antichrists who work in the shadows of this world’s present darkness..
    I pray that “The Lord God would arise in the fury of His wrath in defence of His holy remnant and that His Love for the church would be revealed to all of us as the Beloved Son suffers with His persecuted people”..

    blessings

    john B

    • I have a Missionary couple as friends who operate out of Cyprus… they used to be able to enter Egypt with impuninty… NO MORE!!! WE ARE NOT WINNING THE MINDS AND SOULS OF OUR MID-EASTERN BRETHREN ANYMORE!!!! The Muslim Brotherhood has eliminated almost ALL of the Christian influence in Egypt… PRAY PEOPLE PRAY!!!!

    • john B said

      I have shared here before about the three unclean frogs to be Catholicism, Zionism, Mohamedism. These proceed from the mouth of the unholy trinity
      Dragon, beast, False prophet.. We can already see the Muslim brother receiving the financial and military backing of the Rockefeller US alliance!!!! in Europe the Jesuits have full control financially

      The church as always been persecuted by The Talmudic Jews, Papal Rome, and the Muslims.. it is historical facts!!

      Soon it will be that the unity of these three “political religious powers” will unite in a common goal to slay the “Two witnesses” of Revelation, which is the symbolic representation of the Olive tree of Rom11 “The Israel of God” made up of the Two branches of grafted Jews and Gentiles, the true light in this world that stands as a witness to her Lord and saviour Jesus,, A Name above all names that is despised by the prideful enemy of God almighty who insatiably seeks the worship of humanity by the coming Image of the Beast.
      As I write; These three forces are implementing civil policies to shut us up, just as your missionary friends are telling you is happening in Egypt Mysticmentor.

      blessings

      john b

  11. NICK said

    and people cannot understand why gaining energy independence would help national security. tonight in the debate i expect to hear Obama say, “Bin-Laden is dead and Al-Quaida is one the run”, that is a radical, extreme thing to say. i do not know what to say. the media is the fourth branch of government.

  12. John said

    In the last year of the 2nd term of President Bush Bill Salus said watch out for a pre-emptive strike by Israel on Iran. Well 4 years have come and gone and scenario after scenario has been put forth with none of them happening. Prophecy teachers continue to sell their dvd’s and books and everything continues on with the world and many professing Christians and others declare where is the promise of His coming? Is it any wonder that they do when one event that was supposed to happen months ago doesn’t happen and the date just keeps getting pushed down the road? Giving more time to sell more books and dvd’s of course.

    • John Michael said

      John,

      come out and say exactly whats on your mind so as to enlighten the rest of us.

    • John said

      Spoken more out of frustration with the world and what once was considered normal than for prophecy teachers(of which I have shelled out 100’s and 100’s if not thousands of dollars over the last 17 years) and an anxiety that longs for the coming of the Lord. I’m sticking to one book and a perusal of the headlines for my info from here on out. That’s as enlightening as I get.

    • John Michael said

      I understand and as much as many in the last several years and or decades have said, ‘this is it, He is coming soon,’ would you not agree that even in the last 12-24-36 months the world is showing more and more evidence that were in the birth pangs? Do you not see the changes in the weather, in life forms, ufo sightings and the evil that men do to one another at an all time high? I don’t believe we will know the day as Yeshua told us we would not, but I believe we will know the season. During the Bush years Iran wasn’t this close to having a nuclear weapon which is a game changer for sure.

      John, don’t be discouraged and live each day as if you were going to be here for another fifty. I think we all want to see the Messiah come for us in the clouds and one day He will and until then we must be about our Fathers work and tell every of the good news of the Messiah. I say this as much for you as for the rest of us. Shalom and Maranatha

    • Eric W. said

      I see symptoms of “prophecy burnout” with John here. It happens to all of us. ;)

      If you have about half an hour watch and listen to this. You WILL be encouraged. :)

      “http://www.prophecyinthenews.com/tv-program-prophetic-encouragement/”

    • Something that christians overlook as a sign of the last days, is the lack of faith and love towards the brethren. We so easily throw each other under the bus today, even over a you tube video. Its very discouraging to see the shallowness of some christians. When I say shallow, Im talking about the depth of love for their brother or sister. Jesus said in the last days the love of many will wax cold, and so it is. Another thing that Jesus said is when he returns, will He find faith on the Earth? Will there be any real faith in God left? So many Christians are in despair, constantly following the news without being reminded of the joy set before us to counteract all that. The more things get worse, the more we need to tell each other where we’re going and why its all worth it. I know that we already know these things, but God wants us to hear it over and over again, so we don’t fall into fear or depression. We need to tell eachother real live stories of encouragement and build up each other’s faith. Instead of always focusing on the negative. Negative thinking and talking all day long will kill faith if we’re not careful. Our faith in God is being attacked all day long, both inside and outside of the church.Our God is Mighty, with unlimited power! Jesus Christ the Son of God seated with God on His throne is our Champion! With God on our side, all things are STILL possible!

    • richard said

      John weren’t you one of the spear heads bashing Calvary and labeling Chuck Smith a false prophet?

    • Kirk Domitrovic said

      yes …Richard…he was.

    • John said

      Uh no Kirk and Richard I wasn’t. Why would I? Check your facts before badmouthing others. My pastor was right, christians eat their own, especially when they are wounded and needing encouragement. Oh they are quick to pile on and make accusations and call hem names,where is the love to be found in all the sanctimonious talk?

    • John said

      Thank you John Michael for your words of encouragement. Sometimes all that’s needed is a recharge and maybe a tweak or two.

  13. be of good courage said

    John, I understand your frustration with so much confusion and so many false prophets…the best scriptually based teaching I have ever heard is a presentation called Daniels Timeline which can be found on youtube …with a bible and a calculator everything this guy teaches can be verified…no visions or special “revelations” from God needed other than what Daniel was given with exact numbers…it blew me away…please check it out and see for yourself …no money or tithes needed…

  14. Mrs M said

    If Jesus when he was on Earth toppled the moneychangers tables, I think he would probably have something to say to Kim Clement and his ilk. He is good friends with Matt Crouch and as the saying goes, ‘birds of a feather flock together.’ Trinity spent nearly $200 million in 2010, and it had amassed nearly $1 billion in net assets, according to its last tax return. I have a problem with these types soaking little old ladies of their social security checks to line their pockets.

    • john B said

      Jesus said;”But Woe to you who are rich…..
      Woe to you who are well fed…
      Woe to you who laugh now….
      Woe to you when all men speak well of you, for in the same way their fathers use to treat the false prophets” Lk6:24-26

      I am not against wealth as such, Just the way it is acquired by the so called men of God..

      Blessings

      john B

    • mark huss said

      Yes, ye shall know them by their fruit.

      Kirk and Richard ask if John was one of the spearheads of bashing Calvary and Chuck Smith. They confirm that John was indeed one of ‘them’.

      Why is having a concern about someone’s ministry such a problem?

      Let me ask a question? Is Roman Catholicism Christian? Are Roman Catholics Christian.

      Chuck Smith, his son, Greg Laurie, Rick Warren and a host of others attached to Calvary Chapel believe Roman Catholics are Christian and the Roman Catholic Church is part of true Christianity. Why is it ‘bashing’ to point out a position taken by folks like Chuck and others when their positions run counter to Scripture? Unless, of course, you believe their positions are correct and they are somehow untouchable.

      These men and others have provided great pathways for many innocent believers to move right into the ecumenical movement. Why would those with discernment be suddenly accused of intolerance and unloving behavior?
      It is not just Chuck Smith, but many others that are guilty of doing the same. For many Calvary Chapel is in a strange way a sacred cow. However, if the leadership is doing something that is contrary to Scripture should it not be addressed and exposed?

      I was raised Roman Catholic, trained by Jesuits, and fully indoctrinated in the ways of Rome. They are nice people. They are certainly not Christian. The religion they practice is Satanic. How can Chuck Smith and others not know this? Ignorance or compromise. Has to be one or the other.

      No one is bashing anything or anyone. If this is the reaction by so many we are shallow indeed. I know of a former Calvary pastor who has a ‘discernment’ ministry and has no problem exposing Chuck Smith and other Calvary luminaries who have compromised the truth of Scripture and allowed an ecumenical breech in the wall of protection found only in the truth of Scripture.

      Every single member in the Body of Christ is under the scrutiny of Scripture. No one, is above anyone else. It does not matter how big, powerful, or popular anyone is.

      Has Calvary Chapel done good? Of course! A ‘discernment’ ministry keeps them on the track of doing good. Is this not what we would want for them? If they are drifting away should we not be willing to bring them back?

      If all we can come up with are thoughts of being unloving, or intolerant; or ‘bashing’ someone or their ministry we show how little depth of concern we have for the Lord’s Body.

      Platitudes or human reason does not cut it. The Bible does and we as individuals are all accountable to it.

      By the way, I do not recall anyone saying Chuck Smith was a false prophet.

      On another note, all of the health and wealth charlatans and other money sucking false teachers I would agree that they need to be exposed biblically. This goes for the incessant stream of teachers who are always predicting this or that. The Lord is coming back. We know this to be true. Our hearts should be on God’s Word and not on today’s headline where we supposedly see fulfillments on a daily basis.

      Mark Huss

    • ghillie said

      Most Roman Catholics may be caught up with rituals and have beliefs about praying to Mary and Roman Catholic Saints but most Roman Catholics believe that Jesus is God the Son and that he died on the Cross for us. Doesn’t this make them Christians? even if they are Christians carrying around enormous loads of non Biblical baggage?

    • john B said

      Very possible Ghillie that there be catholics that be Christ’s and they also sooner or latter will come out! as also many clergy among them have.

      look up Alexander Hyslop “The two Babylons” it is on line

      are you aware of the counter reformation movement by the Jesiuts and as to where the progression of it is presently.

      blessings

      john B

    • Eric W. said

      Amen Mrs. M.

  15. Best to keep our eyes on Yeshua. There’s no call in the Word to trust any mere human, with the exception of the Proverbs 31 wife. I take that as a reflection of what New Jerusalem is to The Lamb as His helpmate.

    Examples of prophets that were right in prophecy — but still in error otherwise — balaam, king saul….

    Proverbs 3:5-8

  16. Breezy said

    While on the subject of False Teachers,..instead of bashing anyone for trying to expose this man and his cohorts, I ask that you read the article,and be inspired to keep reading on the matter. This is only a small excerpt.

    I don’t think there has been a more important conspiracy to unravel than this one,and that is why I will keep speaking out against it.

    And also,to address the subject of “love growing cold”,I am appalled at the lack of concern for those suffering under the conditions Zionism has imposed on innocent men,women,and children. Does anyone ask “What would Jesus do?”

    Is this a Christian site or isn’t it?

    And by the way,the definition yesterday given,of Zionism,by the Jew-controlled Wikipedia does not begin to give a clear description of what it really means.

    Seriously,I pray this information becomes a blessing to all who understand,and shows us all just how careful we must be in what we do believe.

    As for me,I have never clung tighter to the basic gospel of our Lord,Jesus Christ.

    QUOTE:

    World Zionist leaders initiated a program to change America and its religious orientation. One of the tools used to accomplish this goal was an obscure and malleable Civil War veteran named Cyrus I. Scofield. A much larger tool was a venerable, world respected European book publisher–The Oxford University Press.

    The scheme was to alter the Christian view of Zionism by creating and promoting a pro-Zionist subculture within Christianity. Scofield’s role was to re-write the King James Version of the Bible by inserting Zionist-friendly notes in the margins, between verses and chapters, and on the bottoms of the pages. The Oxford University Press used Scofield, a pastor by then, as the Editor, probably because it needed such a man for a front. The revised bible was called the Scofield Reference Bible, and with limitless advertising and promotion, it became a best-selling “bible” in America and has remained so for 90 years.

    The Scofield Reference Bible was not to be just another translation, subverting minor passages a little at a time. No, Scofield produced a revolutionary book that radically changed the context of the King James Version. It was designed to create a subculture around a new worship icon, the modern State of Israel, a state that did not yet exist, but which was already on the drawing boards of the committed, well-funded authors of World Zionism.

    Thanks to the work of a few dedicated researchers, much of the questionable personal history of Cyrus I. Scofield is available. It reveals he was not a Bible scholar as one might expect, but a political animal with the charm and talent for self-promotion of a Bill Clinton. Scofield’s background reveals a criminal history, a deserted wife, a wrecked family, and a penchant for self-serving lies. He was exactly the sort of man the World Zionists might hire to bend Christian thought–a controllable man and one capable of carrying the secret to his grave. (See The Incredible Scofield and His Book by Joseph M. Canfield).

    Other researchers have examined Scofield’s eschatology and exposed his original work as apostate and heretic to traditional Christian views.

    “http://catchkevin.com/christian-zionism/”

    Scofield and his Talmudic Jewish mentors conceived of a coming worldly kingdom led by powerful Jews who would reign over inferior Gentiles for a thousand years. Jewish rabbis everywhere must be laughing hysterically that the preposterous Scofield scam has worked out so beautifully over the years.

    “http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/scofield.htm”

    • john B said

      Breezy said;
      (Scofield and his Talmudic Jewish mentors conceived of a coming worldly kingdom led by powerful Jews who would reign over inferior Gentiles for a thousand years)
      and of course there is the coming messiah who will support all of this..
      But it will be the Antichrist!

      Boy does the church need to wake up and Quick

      blessings

      john B

    • Breezy said

      Thanks John B.

    • john B said

      Not all jews will fall for this AC messiah God has his remnant in the Land

      in due season they will come out..Praise the Lord!

      blessings

      john B

    • Breezy said

      What is Zionism?

      * Zionism is a relatively new thing.
      *It has only existed for a century.
      *Zionism redefines the true essential nature of the People of Israel, and substitutes for it a completely contradictory and opposite character – a materialistic worldly nation.
      *Their misfortune is lack of what other nations possess, i.e. a state and army.
      *Their salvation is possession of a state and army etc.
      *This is clearly spelled out in the circles of Zionist thought, and among the leaders of the Zionist State, that through changing the nature and character of the People of Israel and by changing their way of thinking they can set before the People of Israel “their salvation” — a state and an army.

      WHY ORTHODOX JEWS ARE OPPOSED TO A ZIONIST STATE
      “http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/opposition.cfm”

      (While no fan of Judaism,I think this is an important reference. For all those who say they love the Jews,listen to these people explain it the way they see it,and see what Zionism is to them.)

      Zionism is clearly not supported by all Jews! Any more than Zionism consists 100% of Jews.

      Just like the bible says,there will be a remnant that will be saved. Praise God,but I wish it were more than just a remnant.
      I wish all would know the Savior and His peace,especially with what this world is heading into.

      I guess with my own Jewish heritage,I can consider myself a part of that remnant?

    • Ally said

      Really interesting. Another site I frequent had recently a similar circumstance with a scofield detractor/jew hater who “invented” another commenter personna. Created quite a division until people caught on. Wonder if that is the cause here

    • Breezy said

      Jesus Himself brought division. There is nothing wrong with that.
      What does light have in common with darkness?

      Very unfair to unite Scofield detractor with Jew-Hater.
      Not very scholarly,either.

    • Ally said

      Breezy, breezy, breezy. Did you get that nickname from all that air dwishing inbetween your ears? !silly silly you! Whats that old saying? It is better tobe thought fool than tospeak and remove all doubt? People here know the truth and you just seem foolish in your ignorance. :(

    • Breezy said

      I’m not saying not to love the Jews. I say we love all people,and pray for all people.

      My only complaint is in supporting a lie. And the more you read about it,the more you see how cleverly scripture can be taken out of context as if to prove this is what prophecy
      claims to represent.

      Does anyone here have a problem admitting they might have been taken in by a lie? It happens,folks.
      That’s the power of Satan to deceive.

      I’m not saying take my word for it. The articles are out there. Read about it. Pray about it.
      Don’t be intimidated by ridicule and worry for fear of being separated from the crowd.

      Jesus said if they first hated Him,they would hate you,too.

      “Come out of her,my people”. Be separate.

      LA,we need true watchmen now more than ever. It’s not too late for you to change direction.

    • lamarzulli said

      Breezy – I have asked you a simple question. I posted a few days ago a blog which said, Israel is my people for ever. If the people in Israel are not the one’s God intended to reclaim the land then He has made a mistake. Stick to the scripture and you will see I’m right. It’s not taken out of context as forever means forever. Maybe you should move on as I’m not going to debate this endlessly.

    • Ally said

      Hey, I love the jews! And their homeland. Zionism has been .around for a century you say? Try thousands of years. Abrahamuc covenant. And I could go on for hours but if you can’t see clear cut simple Bible truth like that, I’m not wasting my time

    • Ally said

      Have you read any hitler or kkk literature breezy? Yiu are following their game plan 100%. ! We arent buying! Quit selling! Not one person here is jumping on your seriously detailed train of thought. Hello, waving arms frantically, wake up sweetie. You bought a lemon

    • Eric W. said

      Probably the same guy under a different screen name.

    • lamarzulli said

      Breezy might be either active military. I have his email and sent him a private post.

  17. Fidel Castro on anti-semitism, nuclear confrontation…

    “http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/10/fidel-castro-i-was-wrong-to-tell-khrushchev-to-obliterate-the-us/263688/” (10-16-2012)

    “http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2010/09/castro-no-one-has-been-slandered-more-than-the-jews/62566/” (2010)

  18. Breezy said

    Israel Lobbyist Calls for False Flag to Attack Iran
    “https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP1of59H4iI”

    Apparently the fact that the US govt. has for many decades been using false flag operations,
    i.e. inflicting wounds on itself, as a means to garner public support for unjustified and illegal wars, is an open secret. Everyone who is anyone in US political circles knows it. So is there any reason why the whole world shouldn’t?

  19. john B said

    WASHINGTON — The Pentagon and State Department are speeding up efforts to help the Libyan government create a commando force to combat Islamic extremists like the ones who killed the American ambassador in Libya last month and to help counter the country’s fractious militias, according to internal government documents. The Obama administration quietly won Congress’s approval last month to shift about $8 million from Pentagon operations and counterterrorism aid budgeted for Pakistan to begin building an elite Libyan force…

    so what’s new!

    john B

    • Kirk Domitrovic said

      our gov’t is so full of dumb people…

      they change their stance like a revolving door spinning in a tornado!

  20. Messianic prophecy concerning Zion.

    Isaiah 52
    1 Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion; put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city: for henceforth there shall no more come into thee the uncircumcised and the unclean.
    2 Shake thyself from the dust; arise, and sit down, O Jerusalem: loose thyself from the bands of thy neck, O captive daughter of Zion.
    3 For thus saith the LORD, Ye have sold yourselves for nought; and ye shall be redeemed without money.

    4 For thus saith the Lord GOD, My people went down aforetime into Egypt to sojourn there; and the Assyrian oppressed them without cause.
    5 Now therefore, what have I here, saith the LORD, that my people is taken away for nought? they that rule over them make them to howl, saith the LORD; and my name continually every day is blasphemed.
    6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.

    7 How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!
    8 Thy watchmen shall lift up the voice; with the voice together shall they sing: for they shall see eye to eye, when the LORD shall bring again Zion.
    9 Break forth into joy, sing together, ye waste places of Jerusalem: for the LORD hath comforted his people, he hath redeemed Jerusalem.

    10 The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.
    11 Depart ye, depart ye, go ye out from thence, touch no unclean thing; go ye out of the midst of her; be ye clean, that bear the vessels of the LORD.
    12 For ye shall not go out with haste, nor go by flight: for the LORD will go before you; and the God of Israel will be your rereward.

    13 Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high.
    14 As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men:
    15 So shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider.

    • No “-ism” ever saved anyone,

      So why get sucked in to “doubtful disputations?”

      You can argue zionism vs. anti-zionism till doomsday.

      But it’s far better to see what Messiah is doing with Zion both now and in prophecy.

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