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Acceleration Radio: Fritz Zimmerman – The Nephilim Chronicles

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Fritz Zimmerman – The Nephilim Chronicles!

Fritz will be one of the featured speakers at the Spetmeber 29 Nephilim Mounds conference!  www.nephilimmounds.com

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Did a race of giant humans once roam the Biblical lands, Europe and North America? Over 300 historical accounts of giant human skeletons are presented for the first time. Massive human skeletal remains, burial mound types, symbolism, etymology, numerology and ceremonial centers are compared in the Biblical Levant, the British Isles and the Ohio Valley with stunning similarities. Genesis 6:4, “There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old men of renown.” The giant offspring of this union between the sons of God and the daughters of men were called the Nephilim. This book takes the leap from mythology to science to discover that the Nephilim were the last vestiges of primitive species; who were known for their gigantic height. They spread from the Biblical Lands to the British Isles and the Ohio Valley. Their open-air earthen and stone temples and burial mounds, containing the remains of giants have stood the testament of time; leaving an indelible mark upon our soil. Herein are the historical accounts of the giant skeletons that have been discovered within burial mounds and subsurface tombs in the Biblical Lands, the British Isles and Europe and North America. Discover for the first time. Who Built Stonehenge. The Numerology Codex of Gematria that dictates 666 as the Sun Father and 1080 as the Lunar or Earth Mother and how these numbers are present in the Bible, Stonehenge and the Earthworks in the Ohio Valley. Discover a giant race called the Dinaric whose remains have been found in Jerusalem, in burial mounds at Stonehenge and the Ohio Valley. Discover the ancient Amorite Babylonian symbols that are evident at Stonehenge and the many henges in the Ohio Valley. Discover the evidence of advanced mathematics discovered by the Amorites and how it is evident at Stonehenge and within the earthworks in the Ohio Valley. This is a must read for anyone who wants an affirmation of one of the most mysterious chapters in the Bible.

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69 Responses to “Acceleration Radio: Fritz Zimmerman – The Nephilim Chronicles”

  1. Eric W. said

    Now L.A.: Ya see why some of us folks in the Eastern Time Zone can’t listen to your show live and then attempt to fall asleep? ;)

    I’m just going to throw this out FWIW: My sister and I were having a fun and Godly chat last night and she came out of nowhere with this concept that seemed to be burdening her heart.

    I’m just going to put it out there because I think it’s one of those good “stay on your toes” messages.

    She mentioned something about how we all should be on guard for a potential SEEMING discouragement/setback/whatever you want to call it possibly as it pertains to Israel.

    Where something MIGHT happen that MIGHT discourage a lot of Christians who are rightfully keeping a close on eye on Israel and that region. Easy to speculate here but we didn’t nor would I recommend speculating. ;) Just a general “take it FWIW” thing. :)

    I thought that was a good point. The enemy is going to throw every possible trick in the kitchen sink out because his time short and he knows it. In any number of areas we may see a number of things that will discourage us before it’s all said and done and that’s the entire point of it coming from the enemy.

    I saw something yesterday that was VERY discouraging and emailed LA about it so he knows what I’m talking about. ;)

    With everything that happens we’re always going to see twists, turns, peaks, and valleys but we must never take our eyes of the Lord’s Word and what it says and the clear direction we’re headed in ultimately. :)

    • Frank said

      I agree, I’ve had a hunch for years now that we’re all expecting God to intervene ala Ezekiel 38, and He WILL because He said so, but what if something happened to Israel and God didn’t show up like Ez 38 because it isn’t the time for that to be fulfilled.

      This would discourage MANY Christians (especially us in prophecy circles) and would make “even the elect if possible” open to whatever the great deception is. It likely would cause an even greater falling away than just plain UFOs would.

      I’m not doubting God, He will fulfil Ez 38, but on the horizon may not be when He does.

    • Eric W. said

      VERY timely encouragement! :)

    • Kirk Domitrovic said

      Allow me to explain a few things. Some of you may already know this.

      ROSH HASHANAH / THE FEAST OF TRUMPETS
      or also known as “THE DAY OF CONCEALMENT”

      This is the 5th Feast of Israel and is also known as the Jewish New Year.
      This Feast falls in the 7th month of the year of the Hebrew Calendar.
      In 2012, This 5th Feast of Trumpets falls on SEPTEMBER 17 and 18.

      CHECK OUT Chabad.org for everything related to the HEBREW Calendar.

      There are 3 Themes of this Feast.
      1. The Resurrection of The Righteous ~Rev. 20:6
      2. The Kingship of The LORD ~Rev. 19:11-16
      3. The Marriage of The King ~Rev. 19:7-9

      Worth mentioning at this time is that this is the ONLY Feast of Israel that starts SPECIFICALLY at the time of the “Silver Sliver of the Moon”.

      You see, the cycles of the moon are important on the Jewish Calendar.
      The term “new moon” actually means a cycle of the moon when the moon is hidden from view or “concealed”. At this time in the moon’s transition there is no light reflecting off the surface of the moon, and thereby it is “darkened” from view…thus being concealed.

      In Hebrew custom, the Jewish Nation has MOST of its Feast Days centered around the cycles of the moon when it is FULL.

      BUT… on the Feast of Trumpets ~Rosh Hashanah~ the “New Moon” is concealed. At this time the Jewish custom is that TWO WITNESSES are to observe the moon – even though it is presently hidden from view.

      These TWO WITNESSES are looking intently for one thing:
      “The Silver Sliver of the Moon”.

      When they see the tiniest silver sliver of the new moon start to have light…THAT MOMENT is the START of the Feast of Trumpets.
      That exact moment, one of the TWO WITNESSES runs to the High Priest
      to acknowledge the timing in which the Feast can officially begin.

      Interesting to note: there is a 2 Day Time Period in which to watch the moon to DETERMINE ONE THING:

      THE DAY AND THE HOUR WHEN THIS FEAST FIRST BEGINS.

      In other words, there is a 48 hour window of time in which to actually know when this Feast of Israel starts.
      Thus the phrase, “No man knew the day or the hour.”

      But, they did know roughly or “in the ball park”…
      or “ABOUT” the time and the hour….THERE WAS A 48 HOUR WINDOW !!!

      THIS FEAST HAD A “2 DAY” WINDOW of OPPORTUNITY TO BEGIN !!!

      This gives a peculiar insight into Jesus’ words when He said,
      Matthew 24:36.
      “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of Heaven,
      nor the Son, but the Father alone.”

      COULD IT BE…THAT JESUS WAS GIVING A “HIDDEN CLUE”
      AS TO THE TIMING OF HIS RETURN ???

      I CONSIDER IT VERY POSSIBLE !!!

      ALSO, I think THE RAPTURE can be best understood when:
      1) Seen through The Hebrew perspective of “the escape theme of God” which is all throughout the Old Testament by way of types, shadows, patterns and imagery.
      2) The Jewish Wedding is understood in all of its 14 Major Points.

      The Jewish Wedding is a great type of The Rapture in so many ways!!!

      I HIGHLY RECOMMEND you go to YOUTUBE and type in
      “The ANCIENT JEWISH WEDDING”…it fills in ALL THE PIECES !!!

      PONDER THIS VERSE found in Psalm 81:3
      “Blow the trumpet at the new moon, at the full moon, on our feast day.”

      This could be an obvious link to the Rapture:
      Blow the trumpet, new moon, feast day.

      We must take into account that words and phrases in the Hebrew custom have a very real context from they are spoken and written in order
      to reveal a specific truth.

      Since Israel’s Feast Days have much to do with the timing
      of the Lunar Cycles, it is important that the cyclical transitions of the moon are understood. For instance, a cycle of the moon takes the moon approximately 30 days…technically 29 ½ Days!

      There are 2 divisions of the moon’s cycle that both take 15 days:
      Dark to Full Full to Dark
      Days 1-15 Days 15-30

      Now watch this:
      Abraham to Solomon is 15 Generations ~ Nothing to Fullness
      Solomon to Babylonian Captivity is 15 Generations ~ Fullness to Nothing

      Note: Abraham is Father of Hebrew People &
      Solomon had the Greatest Hebrew Empire

      This is a PICTURE of how the generations of the Hebrew People are linked to the moon and how the cycles are patterns by which God is revealing His plans from long ago.

      ALSO CONSIDER THIS:
      The following three verses reveal the same Picture prior to…”BEFORE”
      “The Day of The LORD”.

      Joel 2:31 Acts 2:20 Rev. 6:12

      “The sun will be turned into DARKNESS,
      and the moon into BLOOD,
      BEFORE the great and awesome DAY of the LORD comes.”

      I believe ALL THREE verses refer to the same Time Frame and
      will occur as it says…”BEFORE”…”the DAY of the LORD” !!!!!!!!

      Sun being darkened= Solar Eclipse = Bad Sign for The Nations
      Moon being darkened (BLOOD RED) = Lunar Eclipse= Bad Sign for Israel

      NOTE: Luke 21:25-26…”signs in the sun, moon, and stars”

      SO, The DAY of the LORD as seen in SCRIPTURE …ALWAYS and
      WITHOUT EXCEPTION speaks of the TRIBULATION PERIOD.

      THEREFORE, we should be watching for the DARKNESS of the SUN and
      the moon turning a BLOOD RED color…

      BEFORE the great and awesome DAY of the LORD comes !!!!!!

      JUST SOMETHING TO STRONGLY CONSIDER.

    • Kirt said

      1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of Yahweh; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
      1Co 15:51 Behold, I show you a mystery (new birth); We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
      1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
      1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
      1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

      And

      1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep (dead), that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
      1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Yahshua died and rose again, even so them also which sleep (die) in Yahshua will Elohim bring (gather) with him.
      1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of Yahweh, that we which are alive and remain (remnant, survive) unto the coming of the Master shall not prevent (precede) them which are asleep (dead).
      1Th 4:16 For the Master himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel (Micheal), and with the trump of Yahweh: and the dead in the Messiah shall rise first:
      1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Master in the air: and so shall we ever be with Yahweh.
      1Th 4:18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

      Notice when we are changed?

      At the last trump is called the last trump and the trump of Yahweh.

      Rev 8:2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before Elohim; and to them were given seven trumpets.

      Rev 8:6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.

      Rev 8:7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.
      Rev 8:8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;
      Rev 8:9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.
      Rev 8:10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;
      Rev 8:11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.
      Rev 8:12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.
      Rev 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an eagle flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound

      Rev 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

      Rev 9:13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before Elohim,

      Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Sovereign, and of his Messiah; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

      Parallel verses

      Dan 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
      Dan 7:14 And there was given him dominion, and honour, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

    • Kirk Domitrovic said

      This is to KIRT from KIRK…

      There is a difference between the 7th TRUMPET noted in Revelation 11:15,

      which is a TRUMPET blown by an angel…..just like the other 6 angels blew

      and

      “the trumpet of God” in 1 Thessalonians 4:16,….. which comes WITH….

      …………… the VOICE of the archangel.

      They are NOT the same!!

      This is one of the main “MISS – interpretations” of Bible prophecy…
      and WHY many people “think” the RAPTURE is a MID-TRIB rapture.
      (which it is NOT. The RAPTURE is BEFORE the TRIBULATION.)

      ALSO:
      The “last trumpet” mentioned in 1 Corinthians 15:52 is the FINAL TRUMPET
      for that of the CHURCH AGE.

      FIRST TRUMPET LAST TRUMPET GREAT TRUMPET

      PENTECOST Rosh Hashanah YOM KIPPUR

      The FIRST TRUMPET started the CHURCH AGE and the LAST TRUMPET
      will close out the CHURCH AGE.

      THE GREAT TRUMPET … YOM KIPPUR …

      is at the END of The Day of The Lord …at the END of THE TRIBULATION.

      Two passages … One in Matthew, the other in Mark,…speak of the END
      of the TRIBULATION PERIOD and what occurs then.

      Matt 24:29-31
      29“But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30“And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory.
      31“And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds,
      from one end of the sky to the other.

      PLUS…This passage in Mark affirms the same idea.

      MARK 13:24-27
      24“But in those days, after that tribulation, THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, 25AND THE STARS WILL BE FALLING from heaven, and the powers that are in the heavens will be shaken. 26“Then they will see THE SON OF MAN COMING IN CLOUDS with great power and glory. 27“And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds,
      from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven.

      This ties in with two key passages in the Old Testament.

      Isaiah 27:12-13
      12In THAT DAY the LORD will start His threshing from the flowing stream of the Euphrates to the brook of Egypt, and you will be gathered up one by one, O sons of Israel. 13It will come about also in THAT DAY that a
      GREAT TRUMPET will be blown, and those who were perishing in the land of Assyria and who were scattered in the land of Egypt will come and worship the LORD in the holy mountain at Jerusalem.

      Deuteronomy 30:4
      4“If your outcasts are at the ends of the earth, from there the LORD your God will gather you, and from there He will bring you back.

      So then, FROM SCRIPTURE we see an orderly comparison of the different TRUMPETS that are no doubt mentioned FOR THESE LAST DAYS.

    • Kirt said

      Kirk,

      For starters

      you said

      “The FIRST TRUMPET started the CHURCH AGE and the LAST TRUMPET
      will close out the CHURCH AGE.”

      Here is the first trumpet

      Rev 8:2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before Elohim; and to them were given seven trumpets.
      Rev 8:6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.
      Rev 8:7 The first angel sounded (trumpet), and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

      What does that have to do with starting the church age?

    • Barbara in VA said

      To Kirk and Kirt: I just absolutely cannot help myself–I have got to put forth something that I learned a few years ago that is so exciting regarding the “last trump or trumpet”. This argument (or discussion) has been going on for many, many years, but there is a third and more than likely the real explanation for the last trumpet. David W. Lowe has written two books on the subject after doing an extensive in-depth study (I have the e-books and they are well worth the read). The books are “Earthquake Resurrection” and “Then His Voice Shook the Earth”. In his study, David Lowe has determined that the last trumpet is the actual voice of God. All through scripture, whenever God “spoke” his voice is described as the sound of a trumpet. In other words “the trump of God” in 1Th. 4:16 is God’s voice calling the bride to “come up here”.

      Also, Gary Stearman of Prophecy In The News, is teaching that same thing:
      “Without a doubt, the first trumpet sounded in all of Scripture is the one that sounded on Mount Sinai. The last trumpet will sound at the Rapture, when we shall all be changed. Both trumpets are the literal voice of God. Gary suggests that the Last Trump is not necessarily the last one sounded in the Bible.”

      So, here is a third teaching about the trumpets and it is the one I now believe to be true!

      Maranatha

    • Kirt said

      Barbara don’t go by what a man says. Check the verses yourself. The verses tell us that all seven trumpets in Revelation 8 are given to seven angels not God.

      Read the verses yourself.

      Rev 8:2 And I saw the SEVEN ANGELS which stood before Elohim; and to them were given SEVEN TRUMPETS.

      Rev 8:6 And the SEVEN ANGELS which had the SEVEN TRUMPETS prepared themselves to sound.

      Rev 8:7 The first ANGEL sounded (trumpet), and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

      Rev 8:8 And the second ANGEL sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;

      Rev 8:9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.

      Rev 8:10 And the third ANGEL sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;

      Rev 8:11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

      Rev 8:12 And the fourth ANGEL sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

      Rev 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an eagle flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound

      Rev 9:1 And the fifth ANGEL sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

      Rev 9:13 And the sixth ANGEL sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before Elohim,

      Rev 11:15 And the seventh ANGEL sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Sovereign, and of his Messiah; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

      Notice the verses for all seven trumpets say the ANGEL sounded not God..

      Parallel verses for Rev 11:15 notice the parallel of the kingdoms of the world become the Messiah’s

      Dan 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
      Dan 7:14 And there was given him dominion, and honour, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed

    • Kirt said

      By the way the fifth trump is when Satan is cast out of heaven and the man of sin is then revealed at the fifth trump

      Rev 9:1 And the Fifth ANGEL sounded (trump), and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
      Rev 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
      Rev 9:3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
      Rev 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of Elohim in their foreheads.
      Rev 9:5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
      Rev 9:6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
      Rev 9:7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.
      Rev 9:8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.
      Rev 9:9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.
      Rev 9:10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.
      Rev 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
      Rev 9:12 One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.
      Rev 9:13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before Elohim,

    • Barbara in VA said

      Sorry Kirt, but I don’t buy your interpretation of the trump that will sound at the Rapture. I have been around many, many years and what you are saying has been around also. It just does not fit in with the scriptures that describe our “Blessed Hope”. The trumpets in Revelation have nothing to do with the Rapture. Besides a very careful study of Revelation shows that the church is already in heaven when the trumpets are sounded. My belief system is based on over 30 years of listening to every viewpoint and every Biblical interpretation “man” has come up with and studying the scriptures myself with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. I have made my decision to believe that the last trump is the actual voice of God, and I will stick with that belief as for me it was what could be called the last piece of the “puzzle” that made all the scriptures fit.

      God bless you and make HIs face to shine upon you.

      Maranatha

    • Kirt said

      ok Barbara,

      with respect but its not my interpretation its what the verses say. Look at my post basically nothing but verses and the verses clearly say over and over “the ANGEL SOUNDED” nothing about God speaking.. Look at your responses no verses just your opnion.. back what you are saying with verses..

    • john B said

      I am with you on this Kirk; It is at the last trump that we will hear “the Lord’s decent from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of the Archangel,and with the trumpet of God” 1Thes4:16

      It is also at the seventh trump that “the dead are judged and the time to give reward to thy bond-servants the prophets and to the saints ( which we are and all who have fallen asleep in Christ) and to those who fear thy name” Rev11:18 This verse if further amplified In Rev20:12

      Blessings
      john B

    • Kirk Domitrovic said

      Barbara in VA…This is KIRK responding

      You are right on the money! Those two books you mentioned are awesome!
      The whole thing with the TRUMPETS … IS THE VOICE of GOD…and was
      first seen in EXODUS 19 and also in HEBREWS 12:18-21, 25-26.
      These two passages mirror each other!

      The TRUMPETS that I speak of have NOTHING TO DO WITH THOSE
      FOUND IN REVELATION WHICH ARE BLOWN BY ANGELS….
      AND HAVE EVERYTHING TO DO WITH JUDGMENT.

      7 angels blow 7 trumpets of Judgment!!! THIS Does NOT = RAPTURE

      EACH OF THE 7 MAIN FEASTS of ISRAEL … noted in LEVITICUS 23 in ORDER
      ….are all fulfilled to the EXACT day. The Feast of Trumpets ties right in
      with the RAPTURE in so many ways. The first four FEASTS are fulfilled.

      Passover….Jesus Death
      Unleavened Bread…Jesus Burial
      First Fruits … Jesus Resurrection

      Pentecost … BIRTH of THE CHURCH ( This was tied to Mt. Sinai. 1st Trump.)

      TRUMPETS … RAPTURE of THE CHURCH ( Next to be FULFILLED !!! )
      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Last Trump…The Voice of God
      Atonement … Judgment of Israel & The Nations ( The TRIBULATION )
      Tabernacles … Kingdom of Messiah ( The Millenial Reign of Christ )

      It is important to follow the PATTERN that God put forth in His Word.

      For instance, THE CHURCH AGE is a PERIOD of TIME … a dispensation…
      and has NEVER replaced Israel. Once God takes THE CHURCH OUT
      of the earth by means of THE RAPTURE, ……then God goes back
      to dealing with Israel and The Nations.

      Too many people confuse the SCRIPTURES relating to the CHURCH…
      with those relating to ISRAEL. Many people “blend” them together!!

      Israel is THE WIFE of JEHOVAH

      The CHURCH is THE BRIDE of CHRIST

      They each have their plan afforded to them by God.

      I also looked back at my notes when trying to explain to KirT and I never
      explained that THE TRUMPET in 1 Thess 4:16 was “The Voice of God”
      calling His Bride Home, I only mentioned the voice of the archangel

      I will say, It is obvious to me KIRT takes things out of context
      and compares things that actually have NO relation at all.

      SCRIPTURE INTERPRETS SCRIPTURE ….. NOT my opinions!!!

      By the way, Gary Stearman is a really great teacher, sound and thorough!
      I think of him like a grand pap…In gary’s words….Keep looking up !!!

    • Kirt said

      Kirk,

      You said

      “7angels blow 7 trumpets of Judgment!!! THIS Does NOT = RAPTURE”

      The verses do not say this.. show me one verse that says the 7 angels blow 7 trumpets of JUDGMENT.

      Judgment comes when Elohim pours out his vials after the trumpets. All Elohim’s judgments are described in Rev 16.

      Rev 16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the VIALS of the wrath of Elohim upon the earth.

      Rev 16:7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Yahweh El Shaddai, true and righteous are thy JUDGMENTS.

      And here are more verses saying Elohim’s judgments are vials NOT the angels trumpets.

      Rev 15:4 Who shall not fear thee, O Yahweh, and magnify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy JUDGMENTS are made manifest.
      Rev 15:5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:
      Rev 15:6 And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.
      Rev 15:7 And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden VIALS full of the wrath of Elohim, who liveth for ever and ever.

      The seventh angel’s trumpet tells us that the Messiah comes. Here are more verses clearly telling us..

      Rev 10:7 But in THE DAYS OF THE VOICE OF THE SEVENTH ANGEL, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of Elohim should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

      What is the mystery of Elohim?

      “the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed”

      1Co 15:51 Behold, I show you a MYSTERY; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
      1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

      When you look up the word “last” here in Hebrew “last” means 7th

      LAST

      H7637
      שׁבעי שׁביעי
      shebı̂y‛ı̂y shebi‛ı̂y
      sheb-ee-ee’, sheb-ee-ee’
      Ordinal from H7657; seventh: – seventh (time).

      Here is another verse confirming the seventh angel (trumpet) signals the coming of Yahshua and the gathering of his elect.

      Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the MYSTERY OF ELOHIM should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

    • Kirt said

      Kirk,

      Here are more verse clearly stating that Satan will fall BEFORE the coming of Yahshua our Master

      2Th 2:8 And then shall that lawless one be revealed, whom the Master shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

      2Th 2:9 Even him, WHOSE COMING IS AFTER THE WORKING OF SATAN with all power and signs and lying wonders,

      2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

      2Th 2:11 And for this cause Elohim shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

  2. Mrs M said

    Saw this unusual stock market activity yesterday on drudge, but this article explains it better. Same activity that occured 1-2 days before 911, it happened again yesterday:
    “http://beforeitsnews.com/economy/2012/08/this-is-exactly-what-happened-days-before-911-at-10-am-the-stock-exchange-trading-went-off-the-charts-video-2444664.html”

    • Mrs M said

      check out commentors facebook page, it has a chart:
      “https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=506964272652571&set=a.101691153179887.4258.100000170079375&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf”

    • Julie said

      Wow, just read the facebook page. That’s incredible! I still think we’re set for something to happen on Sat, have no idea what.

    • James said

      The stock market is a fairy tale that computers make up on the fly. Isn’t that nice?

    • Frank said

      Fairy tale, huh? That’s a bit generous. Fairytales have happy endings

    • Eric W. said

      Zing! Nice one Frank!

    • Frank said

      Thanks bro!

    • Hi Mrs. M: I ran the symbols through Investing.money.msn.com http://investing.money.msn.com/investments/find-symbol/?Company=PL%2cUS%2cEquity&NextPage=http://investing.money.msn.com/investments/multi-tickers-details

      I see that these companies vary from technology, life insurance, herbs, even Harley Davidson, to laboratories and clothing stores:

      1063% PL US Equity Protective Life Corp
      (NYSE: PL)
      747% MTZ US Equity MasTec Inc
      (NYSE: MTZ)
      672% EXG US Equity Eaton Vance Tax-Managed Global Diversified Equity Income Fun
      (NYSE: EXG)
      578% N US Equity NetSuite Inc
      (NYSE: N
      518% BG US Equity Bunge Ltd
      (NYSE: BG)
      420% HOG US Equity Harley-Davidson Inc
      (NYSE: HOG)
      407% TRN US Equity Trinity Industries Inc
      (NYSE: TRN)
      401% PIR US Equity Pier 1 Imports Inc
      (NYSE: PIR)
      388% PPO US Equity Polypore International Inc
      (NYSE: PPO)
      316% KRO US Equity Kronos Worldwide Inc
      (NYSE: KRO)
      314% DDD US Equity 3D Systems Corp
      (NYSE: DDD)
      305% DOLE US Equity Dole Food Company Inc
      (NYSE: DOLE)
      298% JWN US Equity Nordstrom Inc
      (NYSE: JWN)
      262% HLF US Equity Herbalife Ltd
      (NYSE: HLF)
      248% MCP US Equity Molycorp Inc
      (NYSE: MCP)
      248% NOK US Equity Nokia ADR representing one Ord Shs Series A
      (NYSE: NOK)
      247% FRX US Equity Forest Laboratories Inc
      (NYSE: FRX)
      238% FSL US Equity Freescale Semiconductor Ltd
      (NYSE: FSL)
      237% LH US Equity Laboratory Corporation of America Holdings
      (NYSE: LH)

      These are companies that are hard at work enjoying the fruits of their labor … commercialism. They don’t appear to be government controlled companies.

      If there is a conspiracy here, I’m not seeing it. Blessings,

    • JLL said

      According to brief news I hear on the radio, it’s being blamed on computer error.

      That covers a lot of ground….

  3. NBC News last night showed Obama signing the OK for “Clandestine Operations” by US in Syria… Russia’s move…

  4. LA, I’ve been thinking about what you said “that I was wrong,” when we were all expecting “something” to take place at the Olympics or “something” that would trigger off WWIII. Plus now Eric W states “Where something MIGHT happen that MIGHT discourage a lot of Christians who are rightfully keeping a close on eye on Israel and that region.”

    Well if something was to take place, we were all praying that it wouldn’t take place! So prayer was answered and nothing happened. Note: Prayer was answered. That’s God’s response to stop the possible consequences of something drastic that would have been or should have taken place.

    No, we don’t all get to see “in the spirit” however, I do believe that spiritual war is taking place and I’m going to believe that we’re winning!

    Anyway, that’s my point of view. Blessings,

    • Eric W. said

      Definitely agreed with that Seashoremary. All I was trying to get at is the enemy might try and throw some curve balls and such that people aren’t necessarily looking out for. Be on our toes. :)

      Quick comment about the drought and that story about half of US Counties “disaster areas.”

      I’m reading some estimates forecasting that draught for a number of areas to last until May of NEXT year! :shock:

      Folks, no rocket science required to start figuring out some very obvious impact from the likes of that across the boards.

      I don’t think I’m being dramatic if I say: Keep praying and in your prayers, pray for God’s mercy.

    • I was remembering when God destroyed Sodom & Gomorrah–Abraham was interceding for Sodom Genesis 18:

      17 And the Lord said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am doing,
      …19 that they keep the way of the Lord, to do righteousness and justice, that the Lord may bring to Abraham what He has spoken to him.” 20 And the Lord said, “Because the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grave,

      22 Then the men turned away from there and went toward Sodom, but Abraham still stood before the Lord. 23 And Abraham came near and said, “Would You also destroy the righteous with the wicked? 24 Suppose there were fifty righteous within the city; would You also destroy the place and not spare it for the fifty righteous that were in it? 25 Far be it from You to do such a thing as this, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous should be as the wicked; far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?”

      Abraham started out with 50 righteous and he knew there weren’t 50 righteous so he worked it down to 10 righteous:

      32 Then he said, “Let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak but once more: Suppose ten should be found there?”

      And He said, “I will not destroy it for the sake of ten.”

      As we know the story, Sodom was destroyed. The only people surviving were Lot and his family (not even 10). Lot survives because he is related to Abraham; otherwise, he and his family would have and should have perished.

      So how many righteous do we have in God’s kingdom around the world to stand in the gap and prevent WWIII?

      2 Chronicles 7:14
      if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.

      We keep praying and we keep standing in His presence and surely He will hear us and not destroy the world, including America. At least until the day that we do not stand on His word, then the World or America, is wide open for destruction.

      I notice that thousands of Syrians are escaping war torn Syria…are these God’s innocent and righteous that He is protecting, an answer to prayer?

      As for the stock market…my my my. I have a little bit of stock. My question is that I keep hearing about investing in silver. Are you all investing in silver stock or in coins to be kept at home?

      Unsure what I’m supposed to do to protect what little I have and presumably very little time left to do something wise.

      What are your thoughts?

    • Eric W. said

      I’d hesitate with caution to offer any real financial advice past this: Basic good stewardship will never let you down. The more baskets you can have eggs in, the better. Frankly I don’t think anything you do will hurt you at this point. The more “diversity” the better. I think the best thing for all of us is to keep debt as low as we possibly can. :)

      As for the rest of what you wrote: My thoughts are we have an awesome and merciful God who loves all of us and anyone that’s faithful to Him will be shown grace and mercy in even the most dark and dire of circumstances. :)

  5. Ahmadinejad: World Forces Must Strive To Annihilate Israel To ‘Solve All The World’s Problems’

    Prophetic words. According to Islam, Israel is directly responsible for the world’s ills. Ahmadinejad’s words echo a common Islamist sentiment often repeated in the Muslim world, a world which must not allow Israel to exist and will do everything in its power to see to it that Israel ceases from being a nation. Believing that they have been given a “divine mandate” from the god of Islam to gather against the “Zionist enemy” for the battle of the ages, they view themselves as the agent of its destruction and believe that in order to have true “peace and security” in the world Israel must be a nation no more. This is precisely what they will be saying when they’ve gathered themselves together against Jerusalem before Armageddon in anticipation of Israel’s “prophetic” demise. But it is not “Allah” that is gathering them. It is YHWH. And it is not Israel that will be destroyed. It will be them …
    — Midnightwatcher Blog–

    • Eric W. said

      I have an incredibly hard time imagining ways where this all cools off in the next few months and some guys exchange smokes and golf tips and head on home. I just don’t see it.

    • Frank said

      Here’s one way to cool off iran, drop cases of bob marley tea all over. They’ll be chillin like villains after that.

    • Eric W. said

      ” chillin like villains” Wow, my best friend from high school and such and I used to say this ALL the time. Good memories. :)

    • Frank said

      I suppose they’ve been cast as villains by TPTB, might as well chill like ‘em

  6. binny said

    As I was leaving Oakland to fly out of their airport this past Monday I noticed that Family Radio’s headquarters were on the way. So I stopped and went in to the office where a very nice lady answered my questions. Yes, Harold Camping still shows up a couple days a week. He’s doing a “Camping Statement” segment on the regular broadcast program but it’s only 10 minutes long and then rebroadcast throughout the rest of the day.
    I say God bless Harold for his humble spirit. In case you haven’t noticed, he’s long since repented of his errors. A good man, I say, who can do that.
    As for the coming end of days, I still think we’re at least 6 to 10 years away. If anything happens this year it will only be part of the birthpang process, I believe.

    • Kirk Domitrovic said

      THE MAIN REASON JESUS HAS NOT COME BACK YET IS SIMPLE…

      “FOR PEOPLE TO BE BORN-AGAIN and BE PART OF HIS BRIDE !!!”

      ROMANS 11:25
      25For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;

      “WAITING UNTIL THE FULLNESS of the GENTILES HAS COME IN !!!!”

      JAMES 5:7-8
      7Therefore be patient, brethren, until the coming of the Lord. The farmer waits for the precious produce of the soil, being patient about it, until it gets the early and late rains. 8You too be patient; strengthen your hearts, for the coming of the Lord is near.

      “WAITING FOR THE PRECIOUS PRODUCE OF THE SOIL !!!! ”

      LUKE 10:2
      2And He was saying to them, “The harvest is plentiful, but the laborers are few; therefore beseech the Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into His harvest.

      “WAITING FOR LABORERS TO BE SENT INTO HIS HARVEST !!!! ”

      COME ON…..LET US PREACH THAT GOSPEL TO ALL WHO LISTEN !!!!

    • Kirt said

      We also have some prerequisites.

      The son of perdition must be revealed

      2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Master Yahshua the Messiah, and by our gathering together unto him,
      2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of the Messiah is at hand.
      2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

      As I stated in a post above today the scriptures say we must go thru the 6 trumps before He comes on the last trump, the 7th trump

      Also, Matthew, Mark and Luke state that before our Master can come the sun shall be darkened and the moon shall not give her light at all

      Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
      Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great majesty.

      Mar 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
      Mar 13:25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
      Mar 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and splendour.

      Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
      Luk 21:26 Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
      Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great magnificence.

      So there is no way that anyone should think that we can “raptured” out of here at any time when none of these things has taken place..

    • Kirk Domitrovic said

      Kirk Domitrovic said in RESPONSE to KIRT
      August 2, 2012 at 10:28 pm

      This is to KIRT from KIRK…”You are certainly BUTCHERING the WORD !!!”

      There is a difference between the 7th TRUMPET noted in Revelation 11:15,

      which is a TRUMPET blown by an angel…..just like the other 6 angels blew

      and

      “the trumpet of God” in 1 Thessalonians 4:16,….. which comes WITH….

      …………… the VOICE of the archangel.

      They are NOT the same!!

      This is one of the main “MISS – interpretations” of Bible prophecy…
      and WHY many people “think” the RAPTURE is a MID-TRIB rapture.
      (which it is NOT. The RAPTURE is BEFORE the TRIBULATION.)

      ALSO:
      The “last trumpet” mentioned in 1 Corinthians 15:52 is the FINAL TRUMPET
      for that of the CHURCH AGE.

      FIRST TRUMPET LAST TRUMPET GREAT TRUMPET

      PENTECOST Rosh Hashanah YOM KIPPUR

      The FIRST TRUMPET started the CHURCH AGE and the LAST TRUMPET
      will close out the CHURCH AGE.

      THE GREAT TRUMPET … YOM KIPPUR …

      is at the END of The Day of The Lord …at the END of THE TRIBULATION.

      Two passages … One in Matthew, the other in Mark,…speak of the END
      of the TRIBULATION PERIOD and what occurs then.

      Matt 24:29-31
      29“But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30“And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory.
      31“And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds,
      from one end of the sky to the other.

      PLUS…This passage in Mark affirms the same idea.

      MARK 13:24-27
      24“But in those days, after that tribulation, THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, 25AND THE STARS WILL BE FALLING from heaven, and the powers that are in the heavens will be shaken. 26“Then they will see THE SON OF MAN COMING IN CLOUDS with great power and glory. 27“And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds,
      from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven.

      This ties in with two key passages in the Old Testament.

      Isaiah 27:12-13
      12In THAT DAY the LORD will start His threshing from the flowing stream of the Euphrates to the brook of Egypt, and you will be gathered up one by one, O sons of Israel. 13It will come about also in THAT DAY that a
      GREAT TRUMPET will be blown, and those who were perishing in the land of Assyria and who were scattered in the land of Egypt will come and worship the LORD in the holy mountain at Jerusalem.

      Deuteronomy 30:4
      4“If your outcasts are at the ends of the earth, from there the LORD your God will gather you, and from there He will bring you back.

      So then, FROM SCRIPTURE we see an orderly comparison of the different TRUMPETS that are no doubt mentioned FOR THESE LAST DAYS.
      ************
      NEW NOTES TO ANSWER YOUR QUOTE BELOW.

      “Also, Matthew, Mark and Luke state that before our Master can come the sun shall be darkened and the moon shall not give her light at all.”

      THIS QUOTE YOU MENTIONED ABOVE…. KIRT…..
      …….IS AT THE END OF THE TRIBULATION.

      Matthew 24:9-14 is the FIRST HALF of THE TRIBULATION !!!

      Matthew 24:15-20 occurs AT THE MID POINT of TRIBULATION !!!
      ( to confirm this … see DANIEL 9:27…11:31…12:11 )

      Matthew 24:21-28 This Period of Time goes from WHEN THE JEWS FLEE
      WHEN THEY SEE THE ABOMINATION of DESOLATION SET UP
      IN THE TEMPLE and ENDURE THE WORST TRIBULATION EVER.
      ( See Zechariah 13:8-9 … 2/3 of JEWS will be killed during TRIB.)

      Matthew 24:29-31 This REVEALS WHEN JESUS COMES BACK at the
      END of THE TRIBULATION !!!

      Being that the TRIBULATION is TWO HALFS OF…

      3 1/2 Years…………42 Months……….1,260 days……..

      ANY PERSON CAN COUNT WHEN JESUS 2nd COMING WILL BE !!!!

      IT IS … 7 YEARS FROM “The Signing of Peace Treaty” when TRIB begins.
      IT IS … 84 Months …( 2 Halfs of 42 MONTHS )
      IT IS … 2,520 DAYS !!!!

      The 2nd Coming is a DATABLE EVENT !!!!!!!! ( 7 YEARS from “Signing” )

      THE RAPTURE of the CHURCH … IS NOT !!!!!

      THAT IS WHY WE MUST BE “READY” FOR THE RAPTURE….
      BECAUSE IT IS AN EVENT THAT WILL OCCUR SUDDENLY.

      This is spoken of in MATTHEW 24:36-44
      36“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. 37“For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. 38“For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40“Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left. 41“Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left.

      Be Ready for His Coming

      42“Therefore be on the alert, FOR YOU DO NOT KNOW which day your Lord is coming. 43“But be sure of this, that if the head of the house had known at what time of the night the thief was coming, he would have been on the alert and would not have allowed his house to be broken into.
      44“For this reason you also must be ready; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not think He will.

      NOW THEN….IN CONTRADICTION TO THE RAPTURE…

      JESUS’ 2nd COMING will be ANTICIPATED BY THE BEAST, etc.

      See Revelation 19:11 (Actually read 19:11-19 for FULL CONTEXT.)
      11And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war. 12His eyes are a flame of fire, and on His head are many diadems; and He has a name written on Him which no one knows except Himself. 13He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, were following Him on white horses. 15From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty. 16And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, “KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”

      17Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out with a loud voice, saying to all the birds which fly in midheaven, “Come, assemble for the great supper of God, 18so that you may eat the flesh of kings and the flesh of commanders and the flesh of mighty men and the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them and the flesh of all men, both free men and slaves, and small and great.”

      19And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies assembled to make war against Him who sat on the horse
      and against His army.

      THE BEAST and his armies ARE WAITING for the ARRIVAL of JESUS & US.

      Don’t know if I can make it any clearer than that !!!

    • Aer said

      “So there is no way that anyone should think that we can “raptured” out of here at any time when none of these things has taken place..”

      Couldn’t disagree with you more there Kirt. Professing yourself to be wise is a dangerous game…you might become a fool.

    • Kirt said

      Kirk,

      Your response had no comment on this prerequisite.

      The son of perdition must be revealed before the coming of our Master.

      2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Master Yahshua the Messiah, and by our gathering together unto him,
      2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of the Messiah is at hand.
      2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

    • Kirt said

      Aer,

      I’m not professing myself to be wise.. can you support your disagreement with any scripture?

    • Ally said

      KIRT-I try not to get in to discussions too much about Biblical nit picking however here is the scoop.
      When reading the Bible, its best to take things as literally as possible. And you are definately doing that.
      And you must not take things out of context. Which you definately did in almost everyway possible.
      So to make things really simple….Jesus is coming twice. The first time to get us. The second time he comes back with us to rule and reign.
      I nelieve in pretrib but didnt use to because I read it the way you did. That pre or mid position, believe whatever you want, doesnt really matter. What does matter is understanding what Paul was saying in this particular situation.Believers were freaking out, they thought Jesus had come and they had missed it! But Paul said, oh no, youdidnt miss it. If you had missed it, you would know, because the anti christ would be here!
      The Day of the Lord is considered to be the Wrath of God and we are not sppointed to his wrath. Basically we get moved out of the wsy (raptured) so God can deal with Israel and the evil nations.
      So go get a concordance and take things in context. Go read Daniel like 100times and then go read Rev. Like 100 times and it will start getting clearer.
      I had to do all this too! But if you do, you wil see the truth :)

    • Kirt said

      Ally,

      What you are saying is partially correct according to what the scriptures say the Son of Perdition must be revealed first.

      On The Day of the Lord considered to be God’s wrath we will be taken out.

      The Day of the Lord which is more accuately named the day of Yahweh or the day of Elohiom and the coming of Yahshua are NOT the same event.

      But actually happen one right afte the other. At the 7th trump when the angels gather us and we meet Yahshua in the sky then Yahweh’s wrath is poured out.

      They happen in the same day but are different events.

      This verse tells us clearly

      1Th 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Yahshua, which delivered us (followers of the Master) from the wrath to come.

      Take a look. Here are the parallel verses describing when Yahshua returns.

      Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great majesty.
      Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

      Mar 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and splendour.
      Mar 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

      Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great magnificence.

      1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of Yahweh, that we which are alive and remain (remnant, survive) unto the coming of the Master shall not prevent (precede) them which are asleep (dead).
      1Th 4:16 For the Master himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel (Micheal), and with the trump of Yahweh: and the dead in the Messiah shall rise first:
      1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Master in the air: and so shall we ever be with Yahweh.
      1Th 4:18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

      1Co 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Master Yahshua.

      Do you see how at Yahshua’s return He gathers his elect

      Now a few verses on the day of Yahweh or the day of Elohoim which brings Yahwheh’s wrath.

      2Pe 3:10 But the day of Yahweh will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

      2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of Elohim, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

      Zep 2:3 Seek ye Yahweh, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid (absent) in the day of Yahweh’s anger.

      Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of Elohim;

      1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of Yahweh so cometh as a thief in the night.

      1Th 5:9 For Elohim hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Master Yahshua the Messiah,
      1Th 5:10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

      Do you see how Yahshua will gather us before Yahweh’s wrath and again they actually happen on the same day

    • Kirk Domitrovic said

      This is KIRK … responding to Kirt….Sorry it took me awhile. Due Diligence.

      Concerning the following verses in 2 Thessalonians 2: 1-3

      1Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, 2that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.
      3Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, ….”

      My thoughts on this are NOT FULLY SET as I have seen two varied meanings
      for “the apostasy” in verse 3…and I can see reasons for both views.

      But i will say I LEAN towards THE FIRST VIEW.

      I will explain.

      We can be sure that the “it” spoken of in verse 3 is referring back to verse 2
      in the context of “The Day of The Lord”…to which Paul is making reference.

      “The Day of The Lord”… ALWAYS & WITHOUT EXCEPTION = TRIBULATION

      THEREFORE MEANING:
      >>>>> THAT “The Day of The Lord” will NOT come unless:

      first view: “The Falling Away” …( From The Faith ) …comes FIRST….
      >>>>>>>>>> I think we BOTH can see ALOT of this in today’s CHURCH !!!
      >>>>>>>>>> So much “luke warm” Pastors & “church-goers” !!! Laodicea !
      >>>>>>>>>> Gays in pulpits, immorality, “itching ears”, etc
      >>>>>>>>>> LITTLE or NO REPENTANCE…I do NOT hear it ANYWHERE.
      >>>>>>>>>> New “emerging church” doctrines/FROM DEMONS/ 1 Tim 4:1
      >>>>>>>>>> VERY LITTLE SERIOUS PRAYER TIMES IN CHURCHES !!!

      second view: “The Departure”…( Rapture of Church ) …comes FIRST…
      >>>>>>>>>> Could this mean….LEAVING a PLACE…ie, earth ??

      REGARDING THIS “second view” or “first view”…RAPTURE is CERTAIN.

      BELIEVERS are NOT destined for WRATH…1 Thess 1:10 and 5:9
      Also see Romans 2:4-11…and 5:9…and 9:22-24 …we are vessels of mercy!

      Being that SCRIPTURE teaches “The HARPATZO”…CAUGHT UP…Rapture
      in 1 Thessalonians 4:17…with the idea “to be seized, plucked, take by force”
      …it is a VALID POINT that THE CHURCH will NOT go through
      “The Day of The Lord” (A.K.A. = The TRIBULATION) …the unsaved WILL.

      This is THE WHOLE TEACHING of SALVATION BY GRACE through FAITH.
      see EPHESIANS 2:8-9 !!

      SO, I see validity to BOTH views since the word used for “apostasy” CAN BE
      a reference for BOTH ideas of thought, although I LEAN to FIRST VIEW.

      To further add to this thought process…

      SEE BELOW….from Biblos.com ( a GREAT site for helpful insights.)

      apostasia: defection, revolt
      Original Word: ἀποστασία, ας, ἡ
      Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
      Transliteration: apostasia
      Phonetic Spelling: (ap-os-tas-ee’-ah)
      Short Definition: defection, apostasy
      Definition: defection, apostasy, revolt.

      646 apostasía (from 868 /aphístēmi, “leave, depart,” which is derived from 575 /apó, “away from” and 2476 /histémi, “stand”) – properly, departure (implying desertion); apostasy – literally, “a leaving, from a previous standing.”

      falling away, apostacy

      Feminine of the same as apostasion; defection from truth (properly, the state) (“apostasy”) — falling away, forsake.

      see GREEK apostasion

      ALSO: to show the varied TRANSLATIONS, I copied some below.

      ******
      New American Standard Bible (©1995)
      Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,

      GOD’S WORD® Translation (©1995)
      Don’t let anyone deceive you about this in any way. That day cannot come unless a revolt takes place first, and the man of sin, the man of destruction, is revealed.

      King James Bible
      Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

      Douay-Rheims Bible
      Let no man deceive you by any means, for unless there come a revolt first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition,

      Darby Bible Translation
      Let not any one deceive you in any manner, because it will not be unless the apostasy have first come, and the man of sin have been revealed, the son of perdition;

      English Revised Version
      let no man beguile you in any wise: for it will not be, except the falling away come first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition,

      Webster’s Bible Translation
      Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

      Weymouth New Testament
      Let no one in any way deceive you, for that day cannot come without the coming of the apostasy first, and the appearing of the man of sin, the son of perdition, who sets himself against,

      World English Bible
      Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless the departure comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction,

      Young’s Literal Translation
      let not any one deceive you in any manner, because — if the falling away may not come first, and the man of sin be revealed — the son of the destruction,

      I will rap this up with 3 different passages of SCRIPTURE.

      Philippians 3:20-21
      20For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ; 21who will transform the body of our humble state into conformity with the body of His glory, by the exertion of the power that He has even to subject all things to Himself.

      2 Points on this passage:
      1)WE ARE WAITING FOR OUR SAVIOR FROM HEAVEN, not anti-CHRIST !!
      2) Verse 21 ties right in with 1 Corinthians 15:50-57 !!! Praise JESUS !!!

      Next passage is Matthew 24: 42-44………Refers to the RAPTURE!!!
      42“Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming. 43“But be sure of this, that if the head of the house had known at what time of the night the thief was coming, he would have been on the alert and would not have allowed his house to be broken into. 44“For this reason you also must be ready; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not think He will.

      3 Points of this passage:
      1) BE ALERT…”You do NOT know… WHICH DAY …Jesus is coming!!!
      2) BE READY…JESUS is coming AT AN HOUR when you don’t think he will.
      3) In this passage, Jesus is referred to “as the thief”…who will be coming.

      Note: EACH of these POINTS ABOVE have EVERYTHING to do with Jesus.

      Read Matthew 24:36 again, and again, and again…DO YOU SEE IT???

      WHICH DAY? … AT AN HOUR…that ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS !!

      COULD THIS BE referring to FEAST of TRUMPETS …a 2 DAY feast ???

      COULD THIS FEAST BE “The Timing” of the RAPTURE of THE CHURCH ??

      We shall see ….Maybe….I strongly think it will be because EVERY FEAST
      has been FULFILLED TO THE DAY…BUT THIS NEXT FEAST IS 2 DAYS !!!

      Final SCRIPTURE is 1 Peter 1:3-5
      3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4to obtain an inheritance which is imperishable and undefiled and will not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, 5who are protected by the power of God through faith
      for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

      Point: WE HAVE A SALVATION READY TO BE REVEALED….SOON…

      ‘CUZ WE ARE LIVING “in the LAST time.” hallelujah!!!!

      and Here is a BONUS SCRIPTURE…Titus 2:11-13
      11For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men, 12instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously and godly in the present age,
      13looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus, …

      NOTE VERSE 13….IT IS WHAT WE ARE TO LOOK FOR !!!!

    • Kirk Domitrovic said

      This is KIRK … responding to ALLY

      YOU NAILED IT !!! GREAT SYNOPSIS YOU GAVE TO KIRT !!!

      So many people do NOT understand JESUS comes FOR HIS CHURCH
      and we MEET HIM IN THE AIR…THIS IS THE RAPTURE.
      1 Thess 4:13-18 & 1 Corinthians 15:50-55 & John 14:1-3 !!!

      JESUS’ 2nd Coming is when HIS FEET STAND ON THE MOUNT of OLIVES
      seen in Zechariah 14:4…and in REVELATION 19:11-19…we see that
      JESUS COMES WITH HIS CHURCH to do battle AT THE END of Tribulation!!!

      When people do NOT see this, they jumble it all together and get a MESS !!!

      People would also do well to understand that NOT ALL SAINTS are the same!!

      1) Old Testament Saints – Daniel 12:2
      2) The CHURCH Saints/The Bride – Revelation 19:7-9, 14, 19
      3) The TRIBULATION Saints – REVELATION 20:4
      4) The Millenium Saints – Matthew 25:34

      When people can see this, their understanding really grasps it !!!

      Nice Job ALLY …Keep studying The WORD!!!

      Kirk ;)

    • john B said

      Just reposting from above I acknowledge kirk on this one..I am with you on this Kirk; It is at the last trump that we will hear “the Lord’s decent from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of the Archangel,and with the trumpet of God” 1Thes4:16

      It is also at the seventh trump that “the dead are judged and the time to give reward to thy bond-servants the prophets and to the saints ( which we are and all who have fallen asleep in Christ) and to those who fear thy name” Rev11:18 This verse if further amplified In Rev20:12

      Blessings
      john B

    • Kirt said

      Kirk

      2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a (definite article defining it precisely) falling away first (rebellious stand, in opposition, sedition, against lawful authority, an act, a divorce), and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

      A falling away

      G646
      ἀποστασία
      apostasia
      ap-os-tas-ee’-ah
      Feminine of the same as G647; defection from truth (properly the state), (“apostasy”): – falling away, forsake

      We can find that same word “apostasia” in Act 21:22 to help us see that it does NOT mean caught up..

      Act 21:20 And when they heard it, they praised Elohim, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:
      Act 21:21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to FORSAKE Moses (law), saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.

      G646
      ἀποστασία
      apostasia
      ap-os-tas-ee’-ah
      Feminine of the same as G647; defection from truth (properly the state), (“apostasy”): – falling away, forsake.

      The falling away has nothing to do with a catching away.. a plucking caught UP.

      Up and fall are compete opposites

      So, since in that verse there is not a “rapture”, do you now see that the son of perdition must now be revealed first before the day of Yahshua.

      Did you read my response to Ally?

      the Day of Yahwweh and the Day of Yahshua are two different events that take place on the same day.

      You never responded to my question to above on how the “church is the first trump in REVELATION as those are the seven trumps we have been talking about?

  7. John said

    Wait a minute. Didn’t you say a couple of weeks back that you thought it was 10-20 years or more away? To me that’s date setting although I would say it’s a lot,lot closer than that….so I guess I’m date setting too. As Mr Chekov said in Star Trek IV while waiting to be beamed aboard…”now would be a good time.”

    • binny said

      I’m not sure how saying 10-20 years is dating setting! I’m just trying to add a different perspective to the notion that we’re on the verge of something happening “tomorrow.” The rapture, I agree, is imminent. The Day of the Lord, well, I think that’s still a bit down the road.

  8. I have been under conviction lately about ALL the information WE all seem to be gathering… whether it’s Steve Quayle, or Tom Horn, or Russ Dizdar, etc… and of course LA… My conviction is that if the bottom line of ALL our gathering does not result in an URGENCY IN OUR SPIRIT!!! TO TELL PEOPLE THAT WE’VE NEVER TOLD BEFORE… ” JESUS IS COMING BACK REALLY SOON!!!! ” then ALL our gathering is either just a pride issue, or we don’t really believe all the info. that points to it…

    AN URGENCY… A HOLY GHOST BURDEN FOR THE LOST AND DYING… AN ACHE IN OUR SOUL… these must be both the Motivation for, and the Result of, ALL our gathering/research.

  9. Alex Jones reports that Russia has moved nukes to the island of Cuba…

    A report out of Pravda quotes President Vladimir Putin as saying that Russia has moved strategic nuclear missiles to Cuba in response to the United States’ continuing efforts to encircle Russia in Eastern Europe.

    The article, written by Lyuba Lulko, explains how Russia is reviving its military operations in Vietnam, Cuba and the Seychelles.

    In October 2001, President Vladimir Putin announced that the Lourdes radio-electronic center on the island had been shut down as a “gift” to President George W. Bush on the basis of promises given by Bush that the U.S. missile defense system would never be deployed in Eastern Europe.

  10. Obama signs “Top Secret” OK for CIA intervention on behalf of the Rebels in Syria, saying that “We” are trying to prevent deploying troops into the middle of a “Civil War.” NBC News 08/02/12
    Russia’s move…

  11. kimberly2012 said

    Alex Jones also has had some guests recently that have confirmed that we have Russian troops already on our soil. And that many of the troops will be stationed at or near the 100 FEMA camps that have been built in the last couple of years within the borders of the continental US. He also stated that the DOD has procured 3 million body bags in the last year, as well as large ammunition orders – 3 million rounds of hollow point rounds.

    What in the world is our government up to? Does anyone have any comments on this?

    With the current lack of morality and Christian values

    • Check out Greg Evensen’s web site; theheartlandusa.com or go to YouTube and look up his interviews. Greg has a TON of info. on this subject.

    • Kirk Domitrovic said

      There are several “foreign” armies on our soil currently and will probably
      be the ones who engage Americans at gun point during martial law.
      ( As part of the U.N. policies to bring Americans under their N.W.O.)

      There are MILLIONS of CASKETS which hold SEVERAL BODIES at a time
      and they are placed at points ALL AROUND the USA.

      Many photos / videos are taken which show the MASSIVE STOCK PILES.

      Video of The Georgia Guide stones is relevant to watch because it reveals
      “the agenda” of the ELITE.

      Mainly to LOWER WORLD POPULATION TO 500,000,000 MILLION PEOPLE.

      IF “They” achieve their goal, that means about 6.5 BILLION PEOPLE DIE !!!

      THEY ARE EVIL !!!

  12. kimberly2012 said

    Thank-you for opening my eyes even wider…………….

    When will the ‘sheeple’ open their eyes? It seems like we are on our way to civil war with the ‘elites’. Any one with any sense must know there is NO way we can ever pay down this gigantic debt that the elites have put on us. I also heard that another large city in California (I think San Bernadino) filed for bank-ruptsy today. Who do they expect to bail them out?

    Our world is imploding all around us and I don’t know if we are in any better shape than Israel is in. And with the immorality and deceit, the banksters raping us all, the gun violence in the inner cities, the TSA who seems to be able to circumvent the law, our Godless country………………………… I can only ask God “why haven’t you destroyed us by now” and not “why would you judge this country.”

    • kimberly2012 said

      Alex Jones web site is PrisonPlanet.com. Visit his website as his views are similiar to Greg Evinson’s.

  13. Gordy said

  14. john B said

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/01/us-usa-syria-obama-order-idUSBRE8701OK20120801 Does this mean that the US administration is supporting the Muslim brotherhood? Hello!

    john B

    • john B said

      Who is really in charge here… I’d say the masonic illuminate working the two winged bird! (democracy & Muslim brotherhood) what is the end result? Answer; the New world order of the Ac wherein the saints are persecuted~!

    • john B said

      If you think you will be out of here before AC comes on the seen think again…
      In his reign (AC) great darkness covers the earth, but we are to be a light in the darkness… Jesus is the light of the world.. that applies to his Atoning ministry (((The cross)))… We preach “Christ crucified” said Apostle Paul… Paul ended up the victim of his preaching.. So; let us preach having counted the cost!!!! All who preach in this coming darkness must love not their life unto death!

      john B

      john b

  15. many around are having visions of late both irl and those ive met online. It seems closer than ever but the Lord can stretch it out longer still. Have patience and keep the faith. GOD bless ya!

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