WWIII Update: Iran
Posted by lamarzulli on July 12, 2012
Commentary & Analysis
by
L. A. Marzulli
Two more US carriers, dozens of mini-subs rushed to Hormuz
DEBKAfile Special Report July 12, 2012, 10:23 AM (GMT+02:00)
Two more US carriers, dozens of mini-subs rushed to Hormuz
Over a year ago I posted here that the one strategic, offensive, move that the Iranians could negotiate would be to close the Strait of Hormuz, where about 40% of the world’s oil flows. The headline above is making news as the US is positioning air craft carriers and mini-subs in the region because of the Iranian threat to close the Straight.
Meanwhile, as I posted yesterday, the Russians are sending 11 warships to Syria. It would appear that there may be two fronts to this coming war, one in and around Hormuz, the other in Syria. Either front could erupt into an all out regional war, or WWIII.
As the tension mounts on the two fronts there’s not much any of us can do except watch and pray that somehow cool heads prevail.
That’s it for today as I have to speak for three hours this morning and then off to Branson at 3:30 am. It’s going to be a very long day.
The conference here has gone well, although it is poorly attended, less than 100 people. My two-hour talk last night was well received and folks got a wake up call as to what is happening with the ET deception. I will discuss the Cosmic Chess Match today.
I also filmed a two-hour TV interview here that will be aired in the coming weeks. I want to thank Pierre for putting that together as well as his hugh needed friendship and fellowship while I am in Montreal.
Peace-out!
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Ally said
Good morning LA! Sometimes, its those small intimate groups, or poorly attended meetings where the seeds really get planted brother!
The fact 100 came out to hear you while you were that deep in enemy territory is pretty awesome!
Branson is going to be a blast! Enjoy it for us and send back reports when you can.
Thank you for all you do! We are eternally grateful for your service to his Majesty, THE KING!
We love you brother! Be blessed!
lamarzulli said
Thanks Ally! Good word!
Elaine said
I agree Ally! And remember that the new agers are very social and love to share….so with a smaller group they may pay attention and carry the teaching far beyond what we might dream.
On the other hand, could it mean that the new age lie has begun to bore the masses? See? It’s all good!
Linda said
Nice words of support Alley! God prepares the soil, we plant, we water, try to keep the weeds from choking the young plants, and He brings in the Harvest.
I hope you make up your expenses going forward, but God had them be there and you just keep being Faithful; in heaven you will find out who you touched for the LORD!!!
Linda said
@L.A. ouch…didn’t mean to imply you were bummed on low attendance because of $$ !!!!!
I just felt you need to be blessed forward to keep you going and meet your needs(God takes care of that) things are expensive out there and then you get home and it’s even more demanding!
I happened to reread & thought it could be mistrued! God Bless!
moonpieeyes said
LA, Agree with Ally, one spark will get them pondering. Have a great day.
Rose from Kentucky said
This is troubling:
“http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2012/07/11/when-earthquakes-split-mountains-6-4-magnitude-quake-leaves-20-meter-crack-in-mt-fuji/”
Mt. Fuji is a dormant volcano, and Mount St. Helens exploded after only a 5.1 earthquake. This does not bode well for the rest of Japan.
Rose from Kentucky said
JLL said
The comparison with Mount St. Helens is rather apples-and-oranges.
Mount St. Helens was a special case. The mountain was recognized as extremely unstable and on the verge of eruption before that medium-sized quake occurred and and removed the remnants of stability. Here’s the U.S. Geological Survey’s description:
The first sign of activity at Mount St. Helens in the spring of 1980 was a series of small earthquakes that began on March 16. After hundreds of additional earthquakes, steam explosions on March 27 blasted a crater through the volcano’s summit ice cap. Within a week the crater had grown to about 1,300 feet in diameter and two giant crack systems crossed the entire summit area. By May 17, more than 10,000 earthquakes had shaken the volcano and the north flank had grown outward at least 450 feet to form a noticeable bulge. Such dramatic deformation of the volcano was strong evidence that molten rock (magma) had risen high into the volcano.
CATACLYSMIC ERUPTION
May 18, 1980
Within 15 to 20 seconds of a magnitude 5.1 earthquake at 8:32 a.m., the volcano’s bulge and summit slid away in a huge landslide – the largest on Earth in recorded history. The landslide depressurized the volcano’s magma system, triggering powerful explosions that ripped through the sliding debris. Rocks, ash, volcanic gas, and steam were blasted upward and outward to the north.
“http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/2000/fs036-00/”
Will Fuji erupt again? Almost certainly. Will it erupt the next time there’s a medium-sized quake? Unless that quake is only one of a series of indicators … not at all likely.
Rose from Kentucky said
Hmmm… no, not apples and oranges, but volcanoes and volcanoes. I think you’re arguing for the sake of argument. For the last three hundred years Mt. Fuji has been considered an extinct volcano, but now it’s waking up. It won’t take long for it to be considered unstable – and it’s eruption, according to Stan Deyo, will be devastating for Japan.
“Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts”
Richard Feynman
Rose from Kentucky said
Can you imagine the effect Fukushima is having on the substructure of Japan? How it is being superheated – I think that is a recipe for instability if there is one.
Enough to awaken a dead volcano. Enough to make Japan cease to exist as a nation if God does not intervene.
Ally said
Rose, 2 things here. There is ver interesting video footage and its pretty clear too of a ufo over Mt. Fuji making that crack. Its floating around some where in youtube.
The 2nd thing is, Mt. Fuji is the least of their problems in Japan right now!!!!!!! The have container breachment andFukushima is cookingthem more and more every day. Its cooking everybody in the northern hemisphere everytime it rains. And its not going to stop. They have no clue how to stop it. Epic failure
JLL said
No, not arguing for the sake of argument. I’ve posted much the same information about St. Helens on EQ and/or news sites 2-3 times before this. There are folks who believe good-sized earthquakes cause volcanoes to erupt (as you seemed to be saying) and cite St. Helens as an example. If that EQ hadn’t happened, St. Helens would likely have erupted within days, weeks, or months. All the EQ did was force the issue, causing the landslide that turned a future eruption into an immediate explosion that destroyed quite a bit of timber and landscape and several dozen lives.
For the last three hundred years Mt. Fuji has been considered an extinct volcano, but now it’s waking up.
Originally you said Fuji was dormant, and now extinct. The former is correct. It’s been some 300 years since the last eruption, and its eruptions were recorded in Japanese history. Extinct status requires an estimated 10,000 years since the last eruption.
Can you imagine the effect Fukushima is having on the substructure of Japan? How it is being superheated – I think that is a recipe for instability if there is one.
Enough to awaken a dead volcano. Enough to make Japan cease to exist as a nation if God does not intervene.
I can’t speak about God’s plans for Japan, but the effect of Fukushima’s heat on Japan’s bedrock (if any — I don’t know how close the bedrock is to the surface there) is quite small and localized. Really localized. Certainly not enough to raise the temperature at Mt. Fuji — which is 180-some miles from the power plant.
As far as heat goes, the magma beneath Fuji would laugh at Fukushima.
windsofchange said
“Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts”
Richard Feynman
GREAT quote Rose (: and so glad someone else watches John Paul!
Thanks~ winds
NICK said
just before the earthquake that produced the tsunami and the fukishima “meltdown” UFOs were filmed over Mt. Fugi and it was posted on youtube. about a week later the disaster, then people came forth with pictures and video of UFOs during the Earthquake and at the leading edge of the tsunami, (that footage was from the news helicopter). i think some of this was put up by L.A., also not long after the Temple Mount UFO video. i have no idea exactly what it means but i do believe that most UFOs are demonic in nature and a small percent Angelic, see Ezk. chp.1. a recent but forgotten UFO over Mt. Hermon in Isreal was filmed, i think that is ,”The Mount of Transfiguration”!
James said
So anyway, Mt. Fuji erupting is VERY BAD.
Corey said
I write this comment today because many people think that America is the Mystery Babylon of Revelation 18. This is not so and i’ll tell you why. Mystery Babylon in scripture is described as that great city. In the original greek text of the verse it reads that it is a Megalopolis not a Metropolis (or one specific city or nation) It is global in scope by implication. It is talking about the New World Order or World Government that is being constructed right before our eyes by the elitists at the top. The world is being patched together nation by nation and being interconnected. Or you could say it is turning into a Megalopolis or “GREAT CITY” as described in Revelation 18… not METROPOLIS. This is why I doubt the vision by Dudemann and David Wilkerson describing America being destroyed by Russia and China. That vision is used to describe what happens in Revelation 18 with the destruction of the GREAT WHORE. If America is not the Great City described in that verse of scripture being destroyed in one hour then the whole vision of Dudemann and Wilkerson falls apart. Visions can come from nefarious sources. This is why it is important to be careful of visions. If it contradicts scripture… then doubt it. For more teaching on this watch the 2003 Prophecy In the News programs (forgot which month). J.R. Church and Gary Stearman did some awesome studies on this subject of Revelation 18. They contend for various reasons that America is not Mystery Babylon. Also, look at the latest issue of prophecy in the News magazine. A reprint from J.R. Church on the subject is in there. God Bless.
Eric W. said
^^ Agreed.
That’s a loaded update today, LA! Any day now I simply expect to wake up in the morning and see “BREAKING NEWS” and you know the rest.
Now I have to show you all something.
I live in a small to medium sized town in NW Ohio. To put it bluntly: We’re maybe a step or two above being a “hick town” depending on who you talk to. Why that detail?
Because I want to show you all just how far and pervasive the Alien Gospel has become when you see what I’m about to copy and paste here sent in to the local newspaper “Letter to the Editor” and the fact that it actually was printed in today’s paper for all to see.
Not too long ago there’s no way any editorial board would have printed something like this.
When you have people this far and wide even to the point that the “yokels” so to speak are coming out with stuff like this you know there isn’t a lot of time left and the conditioning is absolutely ripe and ready to go.
Keep in mind: The writer of this letter is DEAD serious. Names withheld for privacy reasons and because I’m not trying to smear this guy. This is a word for word copy and paste.
“Letter: A date with destiny
2012-07-11 23:29:00
A date with destiny that can’t be broke. This will be a situation that no government will be able to buy or lie their way out of.
The governments have been tight lipped about this situation, so as not to cause a panic. My theory is we are on the threshold of meeting our creator, and it is not going to be who we expected it to be.
What has our governments been avoiding to talk or discuss about, you might have guessed it by now, UFOs (unidentified flying objects) and extraterrestrial beings.
The extraterrestrials came to Earth to mine gold and they enslaved the human race for labor. The people that did not revolt fit right in, the ones that revolted had their brains depleted to the point of being controlled.
We remember why the extraterrestrials visited “for gold.”
Well, in 1933 Franklin D. Roosevelt called in all the gold in return he gave the people a certificate saying pay the bearer on demand this certain amount in gold. But, if you would try to get gold for your certificate, no one would pay off. I believe the government gave the extraterrestrials their first installment as blackmail to ward off being taken over. I believe the gold certificates then were worthless like our money of today.
I believe the government created a bad economy so the people would be more susceptible to sell their personal owned gold. What is happening now, the government is calling in all the gold. Same thing now, just a different procedure. Does the date Dec. 21, 2012, ring a bell? A date with destiny.”
I can’t make this stuff up.
LindaFromToronto said
Excellent advice and info, Corey! The “Prophecy in the News” site is excellent, as are its guests. I came across it about a year ago. Bible prophecy is intelligently explained. Always coherent and scholarly, always tied to the WHOLE bible in terms of continuity when explaining prophecy (not “ad hoc” scriptural references about prophecy that can take one off on a tangent, if you know what I mean). Can’t recommend that site and its resources highly enough!
JLL said
the New World Order or World Government that is being constructed right before our eyes by the elitists at the top. The world is being patched together nation by nation and being interconnected. Or you could say it is turning into a Megalopolis or “GREAT CITY” as described in Revelation 18… not METROPOLIS. This is why I doubt the vision by Dudemann and David Wilkerson describing America being destroyed by Russia and China. That vision is used to describe what happens in Revelation 18 with the destruction of the GREAT WHORE. If America is not the Great City described in that verse of scripture being destroyed in one hour then the whole vision of Dudemann and Wilkerson falls apart.
Maurice Sklar — a Messianic musician and evangelist whom you may or may not agree with either
— wrote some years back that Mystery Babylon had three meanings. One was America; the others I don’t remember, though at least one was certainly global in scope. Such multiple fulfillments of Scripture are almost the norm — for example, the letters to the seven churches in Revelation are both 1st century greetings and admonitions to groups of believers in Asia Minor and prophecies about the various ages of the Church.
Regardless how you feel about America being Mystery Babylon, I hope you are not under the impression God is happy with the direction America has been going in the past nearly-fifty years — and continues to go at break-neck speed.
Have you read Jonathan Cahn’s Harbinger? If not, please, please do so. It’s been on enough best-seller lists that you should be able to find it at public libraries; if your local library doesn’t own it, they should be able to obtain it for you through their Interlibrary Loan service (which might be free or might have a — usually quite small — fee: perhaps simply postage, perhaps a dollar or two). That book paints a clear picture of why God is most definitely not happy with our nation, and what’s just around the corner if we as a nation don’t repent — and soon!
Yes, Nineveh repented when Job gave the message … but can you see the current United States doing so? Obama? Hollywood? the New Agers? Joe Six-pack? the average college student?
The US is a unique country, blessed by God for many years. I see on the internet all-too-many American patriots who believe that for all our faults, we are somehow above the law where God is concerned. Some of that really verges on idolatry….
As Ruth Graham once said, “If God doesn’t judge America, He’ll have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah.” That’s more than a cute quip, it’s deadly serious.
Yes, there are a whole bunch of America-is-nuked prophecies; they’ve been coming for the past sixty or more years. How many of them are true, only God knows.
I hope we’re not nuked. Indeed, I hope no nukes are detonated anywhere before the Lord comes to mend this broken planet. But it doesn’t take God’s infallible understanding of prophecies — whether new and old — to see that the US is on a high-speed road to judgment … and real soon.
Debra said
~Corey, an informative and articulate post. Thank you!
~To Everyone,
Believe it or not, that ET mining Earth for gold via human slave labor idea was introduced into the world by Zechariah Sitchin. Specifically, Sitchin named those ET’s as [the Sumerian] Annunaki. Further reading on Sitchin’s historical skewering can be found at Christian scholar Michael Heiser’s website “Sitchin Is Wrong”. Well worth the read if you’re interested in watching layers of deception be peeled away!
Yahweh’s Blessings and Peace to all:^)
Kirt said
“I write this comment today because many people think that America is the Mystery Babylon of Revelation 18. This is not so and i’ll tell you why. Mystery Babylon in scripture is described as that great city. In the original greek text of the verse it reads that it is a Megalopolis not a Metropolis (or one specific city or nation) It is global in scope by implication.”
Rev 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city for in one hour is thy judgment come.
Here is the greek for “city”
G4172
πόλις
polis
pol’-is
Probably from the same as G4171, or perhaps from G4183; a town (properly with walls, of greater or less size): – city.
and
G4183
πολύς, πολλός
polus polos
pol-oos’
Including the forms from the alternate “pollos”; (singular) much (in any respect) or (plural) many; neuter (singular) as adverb largely; neuter (plural) as adverb or noun often, mostly, largely: – abundant, + altogether, common, + far (passed, spent), (+ be of a) great (age, deal, -ly, while), long, many, much, oft (-en [-times]), plenteous, sore, straitly. Compare G4118, G4119.
None of those Greek definitions include an implication of global scope.
Polos basically means many and polis means city so the word city in these verses means many cities.
Does the U.S. have many cities?
Elaine said
Yep, Kirt! And I read a book waaaay back in the 70s that referred to the merged cities that run together from Boston and down through D.C. as a megalopolis. The book was called “The Cooling” by Lowell Ponte.
mark said
new york has that big statue to isis in it’s harbor of deep ports and americas many waters.
Linda said
There’s also a BIG altar inside for them!!! Heck the whole Washington Capital is a dedication to the gods and their dream of Atlantis!!! Maybe us as seudo and the real as the real Babylon. As Tom Horn said in his Appoyon Rising book what did the “reincarnated Saddam Hussein” relative of Nebakanezzer (sp) find in escavating to rebuild it that he sent us to war there to posess it for the NWO. Gee where did they find Osirus’s tomb and then the remains went missing. “The reincarnation/cloning of Osirus, now that’s a thought.
That book is informaive esp. how manipulated the rel. right to become President via Karl Roves playing them!! His annointing only not by God, but a god. Coded speeches to give marching orders to the pagan followers of the ancient religion.
I think as we learn more and more we will come to understand more and more!
nomemoleste said
Couple of thoughts…
If some portion of the US repented then nuclear destruction may have only been delayed. Compare Nineveh re: Nahum. The Almighty is merciful, to be sure. Wilkerson and Duduman may yet share a table with Jonah.
If we acknowledge “multiple fulfillment” (cp. harmonics), then it’s worth considering fractal incidents, (reflecting and foreshadowing). And there’s a hazard about putting yourself in an “end time pattern” which could result in getting trapped in a 7×7 tribulation sequence.
Take Waco for instance. Something similar might happen in the US. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
Seems to me the US is reaping what it’s sown spectacularly already. Massive nuclear annihilation could be a mercy compared to slow suicidal slide into depravity and utter damnation.
windsofchange said
Thank You Corey!!!
NICK said
i agree, it is the one world system or, “kosmos”, or the 10 toes in Nebuchadnezzar’s dream. i also agree about any modern day vision. a thing i wonder about is for that, “system” to come into being doesn’t that mean we will be removed as The Superpower of the globe. as skeptical as i am about modern day prophets The Harbinger sure got my attention and i know of no Scriptual contradictions. i saw Rabbi Johnathan Cain interviewed and i feel he is as real as it gets because he did not look for that information nor did he ask to be an author of a novel or know how to write one putting yourself in the third person. if his book be real it explains to me how we might be removed as superpower leaving Isreal alone basically. our fate was not sealed in the book yet, one thing needs to happen and i don’t know if it can, “national repentance” and return to our GOD nationally. do we have another revival in us?
Linda said
Re. The Harbinger: Real or Fiction
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=8405
The Harbinger: Review & Commentary By Pastor Larry DeBruyn 6/28
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=8391
Before we put too much into the Harbinger read these please. Info taken from Brannon Howse/Worldview Wknd news (articles).
Linda said
How do you appy the word REPENT Nick? I have understood it to be Grk. Metanoeo. Even GOD repented for making man, did he have sinful remorse/sorrow for sin? NO!!! He did have a “change of mind” though. So if you think Am. should change their minds/repent/metanoeo and receive Grace/Salvation yes they should and we shoud pray for that same thing if we want real Peace and for Israel also as commanded for they shall have NO peace until the Prince of Peace comes. (Jesus Christ). Get the word out time is short!
For the 3-4TH time I have heard this teaching of Repentance, the Biblical teaching not man’s Traditions!!! How sad.
Repenting of our use of Repentance: Randy White
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=8425
LindaFromToronto said
Eric, that is sad to hear (re the Alien Agenda). The garbage that’s often put out there is too much sometimes. No wonder Christians are increasingly persecuted and viewed as a bunch of low-brow “kooks” in the western world.
Eric W. said
Exactly. It’s so pervasive now. It’s everywhere. It’s “mainstream” even to the point you can have some guy write a letter like that into a local paper in a “smaller town” and have it printed and taken seriously by the editors that make the decisions as to what gets printed and what doesn’t.
I don’t even think 10 years ago a letter to the editor like that would have seen the light of day. That’s how far gone this thing is.
I’m still getting over taking a walk in our local Meijers here last week and seeing pre-teen books about teens having sex with ” ‘good demon’ Nephilims” too. I’m not making that up.
If that isn’t full on war and corruption of youth I don’t know what is. What happened to Beverly Clearly or Sweet Valley High? Now we’re down to that kind of open Satanism. For PRE-TEENS!
Rose from Kentucky said
Well, here in Kentucky the first partnered gay pastor has been ordained into the Baptist church.
Baptist church… in Kentucky…
Elaine said
“Baptist church… in Kentucky…”
Oh, Rose! You almost made me say, “Oh, poo!” LOL….I was raised in a Baptist church….that whirring sound you hear is my parents who were founders spinning in their graves!
Rose from Kentucky said
Sorry, Elaine, I’ll try to keep my “oh, poo!” comments to a minimum.
BTW, your self control is stronger than mine; “poo” is not the word that came to my mind when I first read this story.
Elaine said
Funny Rose! I worked long ago to get (well, pretty much) those other words out of my vocabulary…..not that I haven’t had my talk like a sailor years! I heard a young lady one day using some profanity in a public place that I had been using as a matter of course when I was a boss in a theater scene painting shop full of carpenters and it really smacked me in the head! But, now I am trying to eliminate even my other less socially unacceptable but still wrong use of words in anger. I try to think about Jesus listening to me like I listened to that beautiful young woman who became so ugly when she opened her mouth! He managed to have anger without using a single “drat”
Rose from Kentucky said
BLAM! The sun just shot a big one at us:
“http://beforeitsnews.com/story/2381/362/Sunspot_AR1520_X-Flare.html”
Julie said
Thanks Rose, I’m anxious to find out more aout the solar flare. Also looks like a good website to read and catch up on news that the regular media doesn’t cover. I appreciate a good website.
Rose from Kentucky said
I really like before it’s news – it posts faster than dprogram and it takes all comers. And, you’re right, you won’t find this information on the msm.
Rodney Dezarn said
Russia will cover the Med to provide security for Syria against any planned Western military intervention. China will soon move in to counter U.S. and N.A.T.O. in the Persian Gulf/Gulf of Aden to provide security for Iran!
NICK said
what interest does China have in going to war with us and NATO in Iran? if they want Iran’s oil they can just take it. i think it is a little early for them as of yet.
Linda said
I think I agree Nick, if not than all the ideas and escatology/exegisis is out of whack. First things first. There’s a power struggle of the rulers going on right now and oil and the flow thereof is in the mix, but that doesn’t mean the “big final” battle is at hand.
Linda said
http://www.prophecynewswatch.com/2012/July11/114.htm (A Calliphate Declared Officialyl)
This is in re. to sleeper cells, Islams great hate for Christians and USA. Think what our Christian brothers and sisters are going through in the Mdl East and Indonesia etc. now! The Calliphate in the making, I guess we are past the “Spring” and guess who we have in the Oval office aiding & abedding?
With that add this one re. schools and improvement clue not ourschools!
http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/obama-spending-30m-on-struggling-schools-in-arab-kingdom/
Corey said
Thanks Linda From Toronto… Prophecy In The News is a ministry I go to often for info as well as L.A. Marzulli’s site. I have every prophecy in the news television program on DVD from 1994 on up to the present (2012). I also have every magazine they ever published from 94 til now. My books on my book shelves are all mainly from their magazine I’ve ordered. It’s also where I get my DVDs.
Kirt… You may be right on that. In fact I do remember Gary Stearman and J.R. Church bringing out the fact that Boston all the way to Washington was considered one great city etc. but the one thing that sticks out in my mind is the reaction of the whole world to Mystery Babylon’s destruction. They weep and lament for her. There are nations in the world right now who have come to hate us. There are many nations that would celebrate our destruction. This almost tells me that the global system being created is the system that is now providing the world with it’s goods and services. If that system that we all now have to depend on for the goods and services were destroyed, then I can now see why the whole world will lament for her destruction. One of the few reasons I do not see Mystery Babylon being America. The explanation you presented was very thoughtful indeed but too many variables in my opinion to make the conclusion that it’s America.
JLL… I do understand that America is on the fast track to Judgment. I am not at all thinking that God is smiling on America. In fact just the opposite. Every day I wonder if this will be the day when God will act in Judgment on America. I have seen Jonathon Cahn on many shows talking about the 9-11 judgment and all. It is very interesting. But if America is judged eventually (which I believe it will) I don’t think that judgment will fulfill Revelation 18.
Kirt said
Corey,
You are welcome.. I welcome you or anyone with any other variables that still make you conclude that the U.S. is not babylon.
Look forward to your posts tomorrow..
Kirt said
There is a really good book about the U.S. being Babylon by Coombes.
He has a summary of his book.
Points for why Babylon is not Iraq or Rome, which also rules out everything else but America.
60 Reasons Why Iraq Can Not Be Mystery Babylon
by R.A. Coombes
http://www.promiseofhiscoming.com/rac_60_reasons.htm
Linda said
First I don’t think we can be dogmatic either way. The Bible does not give detailed enough information to be.
Since that “bloodline” which was corrupted by mingling, as above so below has been set in motion the men and women that are part of that bloodline keep it that way by intermarriage, close/distant cousins etc. and they have a plan and they are working their plan! They came to America to find that lost city of Atlantis and believe America is it. They have moved all their scheming here, but yet they are def. after the mdl east esp Babylon and Jerusalem. They follow the Mystery Rel. Babylon.
I would ask why Mitt, a Mormon which is based in Freemasonry, Mormonism also wanting a Caliphate/World Dominence has their ‘throne” to be in Missouri? Why The League of Nations aka UN set it’s seat of power in NYC,USA?
Rome/Pope also trying to get back world dominence and authority over all kings and rulers, who also wants to sit on the Temple throne and believes it belongs to the Pope.
Then there’s the otherside of Catholicism which brings in Russia and there belief it belongs to them.
Maybe it’s like having a vacation home…we are the world and all is ours. Both are ONE entity. One gov’t, one spiritual(unclean for them). Rich powerful rulers who best operate in a wealthy super power USA grooming the world for one ruler who will sit on a throne in Jerusalem as GOD one day. Maybe they don’t have boundry lines it’s all theirs and one big real estate.
Maybe one is government, one is the False Prophet’s.
The Throne is in the center of the world! GOD’s coveted throne which belongs to Jesus Christ. They all want it, they all beieve it’s rightfully theirs. That should make for interesting future events!
.
.Rambling thoughts at best! Time will reveal!
Corey said
Kirt and Elain… I am going to check out that book you mentioned. Sounds like I may learn some more about this subject. Thanks for the info. God Bless!
Corey said
I will be posting a comment very soon about information about Obama being discovered in the bible in an old testament prophecy concerning the end times. It is astounding. And I’m not talking about the bible code. I’ll probably post it tomorrow if anyone is interested. Stay tuned. Also 9-11 and the fall of the towers are mentioned in an obscure prophecy in the old testament. Hope you all will check in tomorrow.
Elaine said
Hey Corey! You are studying in Isaiah aren’t ya! I think I still have a stack of notes on those same things from 2008 and 9 that I pulled out of my Bible because it was getting so jammed with notes that it wouldn’t close or fit in the carry case! I am going to see if I can find them….looking forward to seeing what ya got tomorrow!
Gina Nestor said
Just heard Neil Cavuto on Fox News 4pm – 5 pm, go on and on about the economic destruction of America and then he said, “BTW folks – did you know we were on the verge on WW 3?” He then interviewed a guy about Iran and their belief in the coming Mahdi and how Iran is hell bent on the destruction of Israel and the U.S.
Kirt said
Gina it would be great if we could find a video clip of that…
Linda said
Gina I didn’t hear Neil, but I posted this above and the fthis one went to an error so here’s WND, the article posted at prohecynewswatch
http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/army-of-iran-sadists-poised-for-u-s-invasion/
Ally said
Good catch Gina!
David said
Global Food Crisis Looms
…keeping track of it here;
http://the-christians-forum.com/topic/4861462/1/
Linda said
I clicked on Brannon House and listened to Pasto James Murphey re. Agnosticism in the church. All the garbage creeping in and he’s cleaning house getting the leven out of his church and get the people there back from mysticism, audible voices to the study of the Bible! Great msg.and good for him!
I left my church after the 2nd yr Ladies Bible Study did Beth Moore, the I learned also that Awana Leaders were moving to Emergent/Contemplative views my Pastor said indignantly in an email!! “we are Independent Baptists” and …I was now the enemy I guess! I spoke to the Youth leader privately and he never reponded. I just asked him to look at the material etc. out of there mouths.
My Bible teacher got caught involved in porn he held a high place in the church and maybe finance.??? Something was wrong and a spirit was creeping in the body, cliqes, haughty etc. GOSSIPS! I taught/cared for WeeCare for 2yrs It was sad to leave! Thought I finanly found my “church”. The one before also went New Age=Bill Hybels sattelite member.
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-radio/play.php?id=showsFlat-21615
July 11TH msg.
We are in a war and inside it’s gnoticism!
Kelly said
What’s wrong with Beth Moore?
Linda said
First Kelly start with this: Beth Moore
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=8402
She endorses and uses Contemplative methods and peoples.
She is connected to New Age promoters. Go to Lighthose Trails Pubishing website. Use search (an alphabetical) plug in her name/others you want to know if they are involved in New Age thinking etc. A Ministy dedicated to exposing the Emergent/Contemplative Movement and those involved=Warning the Church. Listen to my post from Worldview Weekend July 11th interview with pastor James Murphey re. colusion in the church. We need to find out the background of people before we jump in with both feet.
LT has many articles, out of their mouths they speak!
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=8402 Beth Moore
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-radio/ Pastor Murphey mid way into it.(radio 7/11) radio msgs. remains free for 5 days and then goes to situation room/fee)
Mrs M said
I just watched two fascinating videos concerning the pyramids are a giant clock. Google it on youtube to find it. Ends in 2012. Due to 911 big brother has entrenched themselves into every facet in our lives leading up to this moment in time. (just in yesterday, they have a molecular lazer which can tell them what we ate for breakfast! crazy!) I listened to Rik Clay describe the olympics and what it portends: the elites are waiting for this moment in time as well as the ancients. (notice the olympic symbol has 5 rings? 5 cycles in the ouroborous= end date 2012) What does that mean for us? Get some oil, and fast. (and I don’t mean petroleum)
Mrs M said
Also aligns with kingdoms from visions in Daniel 2: gold, silver, bronze, iron, revived iron.
tom said
Apparently the spirit of this world has blinded many more people than I would have guessed.
nomemoleste said
Here’s what “civil marriage” amounts to these days…
“http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/dogs-wed-nyc-charity-extravaganza-16767726#.T_-FwrXEGHs”
hehe! It’s gone to the dogs.
Debra said
Just wondering… has anyone ever noticed the COMMA after “…mystery, Babylon…” I’ve yet to hear anyone address this grammatical issue. That comma is always overlooked! If anyone has some insight on this… please bring it forth. Otherwise, I’m ready to do some linguistic/hermeneutic research here. Then open for discussion.
Mrs M said
Maybe because the name Babylon once referred to the city in Iraq, but now it covers a different area. Maybe it’s not only geographical either. It is really not disclosed, so it is best described as a mystery. That’s my thoughts for now. Be interested to see what you come up with. Please share.
Linda said
Revelation 17:5
King James Version (KJV)
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.
So where has “mystery” become a location? Have I missed something in scripture?
Corey said
Hey Debra
I think the comma is there so that it can emphasize that Babylon is a mystery. In other words, it’s hidden from the eyes of the world at large. It’s founded in the secret mystery occultic religions of the New World Order. This is why I do not think it is referring to America specifically. The global occultic elite have used the power and influence of America to create this system, but not america herself. Notice how scripture states in Revelation that “In her was found the blood of the saints and the martyrs of Jesus. Then God judges it. America has never had the blood of the saints and martyrs of Jesus in it’s midst. But the new world order being created could be taken over by Islam in the tribulation period and it would then indeed have the blood of christians on it’s hand. Interesting thought indeed. Islam is taking over Europe practically!
Debra said
RE: “…mystery, Babylon…” Rev. 17:5
STRONG’S G3466 ‘musterion’ (from a derivative muo “to shut the mouth”)
A secret or mystery (through the idea of silence imposed by initiation into religious rites)
There are a number of websites/blogs addressing the grammatical use of the comma between ‘mystery, Babylon’ but the one I would direct folks to is the excellent study by Chris White. He has a pdf called “Mystery Babylon”. Basically Chris states that the comma is there to signify something secret about the name “Babylon the Great”.
hopeful_watcher said
Chris white’s research and understanding of scripture is impressive.
Linda said
Thank You for the info/Chris White “,” mystery. If I missed it how do I locate that research article(just under his name)?
Debra said
Hi Linda~
Just use keywords chris+white+mystery+babylon+pdf There’s also some youtube videos. Podcasts of same study also found at nowheretorun.podomatic.com/ I gotta agree with Hopeful_watcher that Chris has an impressive understanding of Scripture!
Be blessed:^)
Linda said
I found the website but at first blush I think I disagree with him (Chris White) maybe on ev. I listened to the Matt. one Jew or Church or something like that. I will isten when not distracted and then compare to Lion and Lamb teaching by Pastor David Picos D.D.
Debra said
Historically the Jews and us Followers of the Way (what Christians were originally called) are always disagreeing on various things Scriptural, meaning amongst ourselves. Always ready for a good debate. Paul the Apostle was famous for that as he wasn’t even one of the original Twelve (although Jesus hand picked ‘em all! And Paul by way of a vision/encounter.) Especially when it comes to eschatology…well…that’s a wide open field for interpretation. Good to consider differing views. Like Paul said “Be like the Bereans” :^)
Linda said
Paul by the commandment of God an Apostle to the Gentiles=The Mystery/Grace
Apostle Paul: Eph.1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
3 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.
8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,
20 For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.
1 Timothy 1
King James Version (KJV)
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;
An Apostle
Linda said
The Bible is not open to all kinds of interpretation, we use scripture to define scripture and the law of first appearence. We use that with the Greek, etc. definitions. We use context and who, what, why, when, where rules
Linda said
While all theses things are quite interesting and we do want to be understanding the times, but this is the ONE most important thing for us to understand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://lionandlambministry.com/index.php?option=com_content&id=518
Faith of Christ
Debra said
Linda I do get what you’re talking about….I really do understand that the “Bible is not open to all kinds of interpretation.” I think you missed mine though – it was the eschatology that I was referring to. In fact, Michael Heiser, PhD is a Christian professor of ANE and Semitic Languages also has a lot to say about Biblical eschatology. Now here’s a man who knows the linguistic ins and outs of how the Bible has been translated (several times) over the centuries. Check out his website. It’s pretty amazing stuff there. If I need someone to work on my car, I go to an auto mechanic/tech. If I need help in understanding Biblical language and and it’s grammatical nuances… I go to a Biblical linguistics scholar. Just out of curiosity what is the “law of first appearance?” I’ve never heard of it.
Linda said
where the word was first used/mentioned in the bible. Then we guage it’s meaning from that point of reference. I may not be saying it correctly in my paraprase, but I am almost sure along the way you have had it presented in teachings.