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Death of God?

Posted by lamarzulli on April 25, 2011

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L. A. Marzulli

BHUBANESWAR: Hundreds of devotees of spiritual leader Sathya Sai Babastarted special prayers in city, swinging between hope and despair, believing that the seer will come alive again. While several devotees thought that there would be a miracle and Baba will come alive again, many others said he was still alive.”Sai Baba will show another miracle by speaking to us again,” said Subhranshu Mohanty, a devotee, who had recently visited the spiritual leader.

After the news of his death came in, the devotees started chanting Maha Mrityunjaya Mantra (invocation to conquer death) at the Sathya Sai temple in Kharavelanagar. The mantra will be chanted for 72 hours and after that Baba will come alive, the devotees said.

“Baba will return. He will come back to his mortal body,” said Madhusudan Barik, a devotee from Puri district who was in city.

“Sai Baba will talk to us again. He can’t die,” said Paresh Mishra, a devotee from Dhenkanal, who had come to the city temple after hearing the news of his death. “Doctors are nobody to pronounce the death of God. We are nobody to comment on death of God. It is his wish. He knows the best and does the best,” he added.

Some devotees believe the spiritual leader took impending death of a devotee onto himself to save the devotee. “He probably heard the prayer of a beloved devotee and took his death onto him,” said Chitrangada Das.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bhubaneswar/Sai-devotees-pray-for-a-miracle-in-Orissa/articleshow/8079707.cms

I was a devotee of Guru Maharaj ji for about 4 years, before I became completely disillusioned with him. I was in my early 20’s at the time and I believed that Guru Maharj ji was God incarnate on the planet.  I write about this in my upcoming book, The Cosmic Chess Match. Since I became a Christian, I have kept an eye on another guru, Sai Baba. He is one of many gurus that operate in India. These gurus are proclaimed by their followers as living gods. People literally worship the ground that they walk on. Sai Baba’s big claim to fame was his ability to manifest ash with the wave of his hand and sprinkle it over the crowd of devotees who believed that this was a sign that he was god. Nice sleight of hand on Sai’s part, or should I call him Sly Baba?

In short, Sai Baba, in my opinion was a demonized charlatan, who like all mortal men, died. Now his followers are holding a prayer vigil so that their beloved guru will come back from the dead. I’m not a betting man, but if I was, I would give you 100 to 1 odds that Sai Baba will remain a corpse…. he’s dead and will still be dead after 72 hours of prayers.

Sai Baba, like many of his modern counterparts, lived a life of luxury, being wheeled about in a Rolls Royce and having every whim, satisfied and what did he give in return? Not much really, just a false hope that if he was god and you worshipped him you wouldn’t have to reincarnate in an other life.

It is the classic blind-leading-the-blind scenario! There were also charges of pedophilia in connection with the holy man…. hmmm, does that sound like God to you? Here’s a link that details the more sordid events of the gurus life:  Sathya Sai Baba Deceptions Exposed

The book that I’m researching at the moment, and will begin once The Cosmic Chess Match has gone to press, will be called Messengers of Deception, and I will do a chapter on Mr. Baba as well as my guru for 4 years, Guru Maharj ji. Why? Because millions of people have been deceived by these guys who, in my opinion, are demonized imposters!

In closing today’s post: Most of you who read this BLOG most likely have never heard of Baba, and in reality that’s a good thing. Like all men and women who are born on this planet, Baba lived his life and then died. There will be a resurrection of Sai Baba, but it will be when the real God, raises the dead and the books are opened and everyone is judged according to what is written in those books. I wonder how Baba will fare?

There is but one way to the father and that is through Yashua/Jesus, no one comes to the father except by Him.

We should pray for Baba’s followers that they will renounce their belief in this phony God and seek the real one, Yashua/Jesus, who did in fact rise from the dead on the third day…. He is risen! He is risen indeed!

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In Other News:

IMF bombshell: Age of America nears end

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/imf-bombshell-age-of-america-about-to-end-2011-04-25?link=MW_home_latest_news

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Don’t Like a Weak Dollar? Might as Well Get Used to It

http://www.cnbc.com/id/42703813

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Oil near $113 as damaged fields shut Libya output

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Oil-near-113-as-damaged-apf-1544555609.html?x=0&.v=5

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Libya: western leaders call for Nato to target Gaddafi

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8471337/Libya-western-leaders-call-for-Nato-to-target-Gaddafi.html

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Syria: President Bashar al-Assad faces indictment by the International Criminal Court

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/8471338/Syria-President-Bashar-al-Assad-faces-indictment-by-the-International-Criminal-Court.html

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Syrian deaths soar as tanks, snipers, commandos mow down civilians 

http://www.debka.com/article/20870/

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5 Females Found Murdered in Acapulco

http://blogs.voanews.com/breaking-news/2011/04/24/5-females-found-murdered-in-acapulco/






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54 Responses to “Death of God?”

  1. Frank said

    Interesting how they expect him to come back after 3 days. I believe he will remain dead, I don’t feel like he’s a good candidate for the antichrist so a false sign resurrection doesn’t seem likely.

    Sad that so many are deluded about this imposter, I will join the prayer for his followers.

  2. IndyRose said

    When good old Sai Baba does not rise in three days, the followers will have an explanation such as it was a “spiritual” resurrection. It is ever thus.

  3. Matt said

    “For the first time, the international organization has set a date for the moment when the “Age of America” will end and the U.S. economy will be overtaken by that of China”

    There are a handful of events that could turn this around.

    1) Stop buying Chinese products (not likely)
    2) Class-conflict in China (possible, but not likely soon)
    3) Rejuvenate American innovation and hard-work ethics (no way in hades)
    4) Diminish the selfish, entitlement sucking attitude espoused by too many Americans (see #3)
    5) Resume making quality products that others want to buy (reduce union power)

    • Softcurls said

      6)Keep american jobs in America.

      This offshoring model that American companies do for a tax break needs to end. It irks me to no end to see jobs that americans want and are capable of having being offshored to India, to save company costs (i.e., employee salaries). My company has ~7,500 employees offshore.

      No surprise that no action is being taken about curbing CEO multi-million dollar salaries (and stock options).

    • debbie k. said

      7) stop the fed from printing more money
      8) elect someone who is serious about bringing down the national debt

    • Karen Taylor said

      Start drilling in America again and help put Americans to work and supply our OWN oil with our OWN resources. (Under this pres..most unlikely)

  4. Lisa said

    In this posting today it is mentioned how this deceiver’s followers are praying for him to be resurrected. It also mentions that he may have died as an act of sacrifice for one of his follower’s who may have been facing death. It should be noted that Jesus’ followers didn’t pray for Him to be resurrected, they weren’t even sure what was really taking place and were so scared and sad that they didn’t even remember that He said He would raise from the dead. It didn’t take Jesus’ followers to help Him raise from the dead…He did it alone in the power of the Father through the Spirit…He wasn’t dependent upon His followers to bring Him back to life. Also, Jesus didn’t die for just a sacrifice for one person to escape death but He died for all of mankind for all time to escape the final death and not only that but took upon Himself all of the sin that has or ever will be. No one, no where, ever, has done that…except our Lord. It is such a contrast comparing our worship for our everlasting Lord who lives, reigns on high, and is coming again, compared to these charlatans who deceive others into serving them. Jesus paid the price for us and gave it all, all for us. Let us not take for granted the awesome gift of eternal life that is given to us freely by our wonderful Lord Jesus and let us pray strongly for these poor souls caught in darkness to see the true light as the days grow short.

  5. barbara said

    i can’t believe that they believe this sai baba guy was a “g$d”? there are videos on the net that show how he was just a mediocre trickster. he would hold little packs of gold powder between his fingers and then act like he made it appear. just google or youtube search s. baba exposed and its amazing how amateur his acts were. how can they believe this? its sad so many can be deceived that easily. i have been praying on a regular basis for the past few months for God to please help me not fall for the great deception. that worries me, and yet people are following wierdos like that? just like the “mexican jesus” who has his followers tattooing 666 on their bodies! or that guy who lives in the mountains, he has long hair and looks like the “american jesus” which kills me because no one has a photo that shows what Jesus really looked like, so i don’t understand the photo of him here that people worship.. unless they have a clear photo how do they know that was him exactly? it makes no sense to me. even the people there were not that color and yet he is drawn in that color in america. doesn’t this stuff make anyone else think about this or am i the only one? deception that im worried about would be something major, not a hoaxer asking me to tattoo 666 on myself ;-(

    God bless you all. thanks for a wonderful site L.A.

    Barbara,
    Indiana

  6. John said

    Hi LA, I don’t think this is off topic as you spoke of your deliverance from basically a cult, but several weeks ago on your radio program you mentioned The Way International. My sister belongs to this cult(since the late 70’s)and she won’t sit down and reason with me about the subject(she was love-bombed big time.)Do you have any suggestions as to how to approach her about the dangers of this organization. Another comment,or question, does the royal wedding fit in with the statement by Jesus about the marrying and being given in marriage message(Matthew 24-25) about the end times. Thank you for any consideration to these matters.

    • lamarzulli said

      Hi John – Sorry about your sister. Pray for her for starters and then as the H.S. leads, begin to gently point out where she has been misled. As far as the Royal wedding. It’s all about the elite keeping up their appearances. Who are these people and why should they treated any differently than a “commoner.” It’s everything I hate about royalty and the Kings stinking son!

    • Mrs M said

      This group came up in conversation just this weekend. I was at a birthday party and this man was speaking about a guy he grew up with. (lots of discussion about ‘the good old days’ as it was a 50th bday party) This guy who was known to put a few back went straight through ‘the way’ and was shipped off to OK (I guess you can’t pick where they’ll ship you ) They went to visit him on a road trip and they went to a BBQ first thing. Afterwards there was a Bible study, which threw this guy for a loop. They were awakened bright and early the following day for another Bible study. (another clue- here they were a guest in the home and yet they awaken him and forced him into Bible study) Then proceeded to cut their visit short and left. (He told us they got the h*ll out of there!) Still after 15-20 years they haven’t heard from the guy.

      My relative @ the same party said she’s moving this week near a ‘holy roller’ church, where they praise the Lord. She’s catholic.

      The last case in point, I’m beginning to think many people perceive followers of Christ as abnormal, characterizing us as a cult. Jesus never told us to jump through all these hoops to be saved. If you love me you’ll obey me. (not some church) I want to be obedient and be authentic. I want my spirit to rule over my flesh. I think that’s how we need to be to attract others attention, so they can see the real deal because there is so much that is fake out there. I pray for you and your sister in advance of the next meeting that she’ll see Christ in you and want what you have.

  7. nomemoleste said

    But he’s going to be resurrected — along with the rest of the damned. Probably a little over a 1000 years from now.

    But the demons and dark spirits that possessed him will just move on to other puppets like those praying for him. And then they’ll claim that he either transmigrated or reincarnated….

    While lying signs and wonders are easier for demons to pull off, why would you think that fallen angels / gods / aliens don’t have any powers or tech beyond tricks?

    The biggest trick of course is that people fall for it. No different than when the “image of the beast” is given life, or satan goes out to deceive the nations again just before THE END.

    And of course, since they want to believe such things. The Almighty gives them rope to hang themselves, like hardening pharoah’s heart more regarding Moses and the Exodus or sending strong delusion.

    “. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

    13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth…” (2 Thessalonians 2)

    So let them hang themselves – but call out the lost sheep that will hear Christ’s voice at the same time – as did Mr. Marzulli.

  8. Doug said

    II Thessalonians 2:9-12
    Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
    And with all deceivableness of unrighteous in THEM that perish; because THEY received NOT the love of the truth, that THEY might be SAVED.
    And for that cause god shall send THEM strong delusion, that THEY should believe a lie
    That THEY all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

    But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for YOU, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen YOU to Salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth.

    Why would a repentent and saved child of God, born again by the Spirit and washed in the redemptive blood of the Lamb of God, need to be concerned about being deluded, as those spoken of in these verses will be?
    Does the blood lose it’s power? Does the Holy Spirit lose His ability to preserve and protect?

    Not.

  9. Doug said

    Nomemoleste. Looks like we posted at the same time from the same location in the scripture.
    I like that. :)

    • nomemoleste said

      What are the odds?

      The answer to your (rhetorical?) questions are given in the “parable of the 10 virgins” or “the Wise and Foolish Virgins.”

  10. Captain Eagle said

    How about this? Obama has NEVER missed a single Muslim hoiday to make an official Presidential Proclaimation for. He did not make an Easter Proclamation. What does it mean? You decide. But the White House spokesman was actually grilled about it today. Wow…

  11. This to me is no different than our celebrities in America. Kids and young adults alike consider celebrities as diety in this country. At least followers don’t claim they will rise from the dead. People seek spiritual wisdom through these public people and they will remain spiritually thirsty until they hear or accept Yeshua.

    I have a friend who moved to India with his wife and kids to spread the gospel in India. That takes cajones. How many of us would drop everything, move to a majority Hindu nation and preach Yeshua?

    • nomemoleste said

      You may want to get a book from the library called, “Ten Fingers for God.” It’s about Paul Brand and his family. They were missionaries in India. He went on to do wonderful work as a surgeon involved in restoring limbs and eradicating leprosy. His own book is called “The Gift of Pain” about hope leprosy robs a person of their sense of touch, which protects us from the damage and neglect we’d do without it, such as trying to play superhero and do feats of strength or hold seering hot metal.

      In “Ten Fingers for God” it’s Paul Brand’s mother who stays to minister to people around Lahore India (back then) like a circuit “walking” preacher, even after her husband passes on. Just awesome!

    • Softcurls said

      I agree! His book, “The Gift of Pain”, will make any reader be awe-inspired of our Creator and His design of the human body. Fabulous book.

      I highly recommend these books as well:

      “In His Image” and “Fearfully and Wonderfully Made” both written by Dr Paul Brand and Philip Yancey.

    • Mark1:17 said

      Thank’s for the recomendations. As soon as i read your posts i did some research on Paul Brand and found his story and how God used him. I will pick up a copy of “The Gift of Pain” it looks very intresting.

      And this is what i love about L.A’s site, we share experiences, stories, books, etc., that are all pertinent to the times we find ourselves in. And sometimes God uses one of us to speak to us. Praise Jesus Christ The Lord.

  12. Late Night Lisa said

    “I would give you 100 to 1 odds that Sai Baba will remain a corpse…. he’s dead and will still be dead after 72 hours of prayers.”

    L.A. 100-1 are still good pretty good odds! How about a zillion to one or googolplex to one? LOL! Hadn’t heard of him before but it’s good to know how the enemy operates & how deceived people can become & actually fall for such a phony.

  13. Late Night Lisa said

    “Among one of Sathya Sai Baba’s mega donors was Isaac Tigrett, who started Hard Rock Cafe. Sai Baba is said to have come in his dreams and saved him from a fatal disease. Tigrett apparently sold his cafe chain for $108 million and in 1991 gave the money to the Guru.”

    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics/nation/a-look-at-sathya-sai-babas-glittering-empire/articleshow/8077941.cms

    (Interesting how demons work!)

  14. John b said

    “And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; And at ‘that Time’ your people everyone found in ‘the book’ will be rescued.
    And many who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to ‘everlasting life’ but the others to disgrace and ‘everlasting contempt’ Dan12:1,2.

    “And He (God) gave Him (Jesus) authority to execute judgment, because He is the Son of man.
    For an hour is coming in which ‘ALL’ who are in the tombs shall hear His voice, and shall come forth; those who did good deeds, to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment” Jn5:27-29.

    “but when the son of Man comes in His Glory,and all the angels with Him, ‘THEN’ He will sit on His Glorious throne. And all the Nations will be gathered before Him and he will separate them (The peoples of the nations) as the Shepard separates the sheep from the Goat” Mat25:31,32.

    These are only three among many scriptures are represented by the symbolism of the great white throne in Rev20:11-15.

    The symbols, figures, imagery of prophecy must always conform to the literal teachings of Jesus and his Apostles.
    Baba the deceiver will be among the Goats on that Day, that great and terrible Day of the Lord.

    Victory in Jesus

    • John b said

      For indeed there shall be nothing more fearful for any soul than to hear the judge of all man say “depart from Me accursed ones, into the eternal fire” Mat25:41.

  15. joe said

    Link: http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=4280

    Article: “As Obama Ignored Easter, White House Hit By Lightning”

    • Captain Eagle said

      Wow. That’s cool. but I have to ask, how is this not attributing Paganism on God? Zeus would smite his enemies this way. Is there any evidence of Yehweh doing this? How do we know it’s not Satan trying to make Christians think it’s God? I’m just asking, no need to attack me.

    • Bon said

      Good question CE. Didn’t Odin do the bolt action as well? Joe’s post is interesting.It’s almost as if we are kept busy defending these holidays out of an earnest heart for our faith, but in reality they are only pagan rituals in root.

      A huge Jesus statue near where I live recently was struck by lightening and flamboyantly burnt to the ground.The dialog about that was off the hook! People were saying it was Gods displeasure with the church’s money spending habits.

      The God I know is not a mean old man beating his cane…

    • Bozz said

      “A huge Jesus statue near where I live recently was struck by lightening and flamboyantly burnt to the ground.The dialog about that was off the hook! People were saying it was Gods displeasure with the church’s money spending habits.”

      Or maybe it was His displeasure of not obeying His word in Deut 4:16

    • Just more proof that Obama ain’t Christian at all!

    • Karen Taylor said

      That’s neat. Since I believe that God created lightning.. I also believe he can throw it around any way he wants to! If he can use a bush on fire to get a leader of a nations’ attention, could he not use a bolt of lighting to get another national leader’s attention? I wonder sometimes if we can go just a little overboard on things? I had someone say years ago..”He so heavenly minded he’s of no earthly good!” I think there is truth in that statement…

    • Bon said

      Why wouldn’t God strike places that are creating child pornography or a Mengele lab? Auschwitz?

      No,he’s saving up all that wrath for the White House for not having an Easter egg hunt! COME ON!

  16. Gordy said

    Gods of the New Age- looks at the teachings of various gurus etc. including Sai Baba in the light of Scripture.

  17. Late Night Lisa said

  18. nomemoleste said

    With our eyes fixed on Christ, they won’t be transfixed on some angel of light, even if that fallen angel comes in the form of a investment-guru or demi-god.

    Who are the foolish virgins in Mt. 25? Are they religions? Or cults? Or denominations? Or particular local churches? Things get fuzzy and debatable when we look away from Christ. Which christ? The new age christ? The mormon-brother-of-lucifer christ? The muslim-prophet-isa christ? The christmas-baby-and-easter-bunny christ? The historical jesus? The still-dead christ on-the-cross or cradled-across-his-sainted-mother’s-lap? The would-never-harm-a-fly christ? Or the would-never-let-us-sorrow christ? Or the christ of-patriots-politics-and-prayer-breakfasts? Do we really know Jesus?

    I’m just as comfortable calling him Jesus as Yahshua or Yahoshua or just Y’shua for short, same as Jah or Yah or Yahovah. He still has a name He’s reserved (Rev. 12:3). He’s not the God of the dead; He still calls Abraham, Isaac, Israel and their tribes “his people.” And the Wrath-of-God he will send into the world isn’t against His own children — it’s against the wrath of the damned bent on destroying us. He’s told us what He’s going to do through multiple witnesses. Watch what Jesus says in His Word. Walk it out. Don’t be surprised.

    “31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.” (Matt. 25)

    The issue will be what we each have done or not done that we should — to the least — (such as the hungry, the thirsty, the stranger, the sick, or those in prison)– walking with Him as brethren. The least includes the least able to care for themselves like victims and the aborted. If you’ve done it to the least, you’ve done it to Him.

    Do you have any doubt that there are going to be more and more who are in dire situations? What happens as a result of Famine (hunger & thirst), War (refugees), Plague (the sick), and Conquest (prison camps)? Looks like the aftermath of the riders on the horses in Revelation 6.

    The interesting point is that those who follow Christ have the resources to help others (even if they only have loaves and fishes). But not if they give away their resources to gurus: whether mystics, institutions, wall street traders, or government.

    “He that oppresses the poor to increase his riches, and he that gives to the rich, shall surely come to want.” (Proverbs 22:16)

    When you care for others do so personally. Otherwise how will Christ get to know you?

    • John b said

      Freely you have received, Freely give.
      The good deeds of Faith is known only by the Lord and the ones who perform such with a pure heart motivated by the love of God & neighbour.

      Jesus never charged any money during the course of His ministry and at the end of it thereof it was His life that He freely gave.
      Let this be an example To the Tithe collectors.

      John B

    • Karen Taylor said

      This Response will be long, because I don’t know how to say it with less words… sorry, but bear with me…

      John.. the tithe is mentioned throughout the Word. My husband pastored for almost 40 years and we had 2 daughters, without a tithe coming into the church we would not eat, wear clothes or anything. My daughter and her husband have 3 little girls and she is a children’s pastor. Work without pay is not scriptural..

      1 Timothy 5:17-18
      Elders who do their work well should be respected and paid well, especially those who work hard at both preaching and teaching. For the Scripture says, “You must not muzzle an ox to keep it from eating as it treads out the grain.” And in another place, “Those who work deserve their pay!

      1 Corinthians 9:14
      In the same way, the Lord ordered that those who preach the Good News should be supported by those who benefit from it. “”

      We never drove a new car or wore designer clothes. We gave of our money, time and love to the church. Our daughter and her family live is a very modest home, drive old vehicles, and their dining table chairs are falling apart and they have no money to replace them, so they aren’t rich and taking advantage of the church.

      Jesus said to give to Ceasar what is his (taxes) and to God what is his..(tithe being one).If a pastor has to work a full time job PLUS full time at the church..tell me..when does he have time for his family?? or is the family not important?? Seems to me Jesus spoke a lot about the family! Can he really serve the church well if he is tired and stressed out from a secular job? How can he love his wife and family when after a full day at “work” he comes home to grab a bite of food, and then out the door to visit the sick, the elderly, the needy, hold meetings, maybe hold a bible study, PLUS find time to study the word for his sermons ? Is it fair to the pastor’s family? Is it OKAY for the pastor to win the world, but lose his OWN children??

      It is the duty of the Church to take care of the pastor’s family so he can work more efficiently. Truth is only 20% in the average church even give to support it. ANd it entails more than pastor salary and benefits.. you have to pay for utilities..never met a company yet who gives it to churches for free… teaching materials for the kids, a building to meet in, unless you want to stay small and meet in a home which limits growth and the increase that we are to see happen. Plus reaching into the community and the world in mission work.

      Not trying to argue, but the last statement was So unfair to ministers who work hard, take on everyone’s joys and sorrows in the church, who agonize over the lost, who sacrifice much for the church, who live on a shoestring budget and somehow manage ( I know how it’s done..GOD can make a dime squeal!)

      The pastor also deals with those who think they know more than God, who are carnal and want to run the church their way, even by the threats to the pastor. Just because someone goes to church and claims Christianity does not make one one. I wish all would live as Christ did but they don’t. You can’t force them, they have to choose to follow Christ and his Word, if not they are disobedient and until they realize it there is not much we can do.

      If the church did see needs of the pastor’s family and step in to bring them food weekly, take the family shopping for clothes like they do and not the left over hand-me-downs some of which are only good for cleaning rags, supply them a car and gas so he can call on members and take the sick child to the doctor , IF they would pay the doctor bills, buy the meds they need, and then a roof over their heads , then the pastor wouldn’t have to get paid. Don’t see that happening do you?

      May I ask, John, from your last statement… do you give to the support of your church?? So the pastor can not worry about how he will care for his family or pay his bills, or do you sit back and just say… If you really believed in God..he’d take care of it! Doesn’t GOd use people to carry out his work?? Just saying…

    • John b said

      Karen; If the apostolic principles for church rule and order was inplace, then there would be no need to impose the Mosaic Law of Tithing.

      Replace the pasror with the collective eldership as it is intended to be according to the Word and teaching of the apostles. There would not be the burden upon one man. All money received as freewill offering could be distributed as the entire church sees fit.

      John B

    • John b said

      Pastors who tell people they have to give 10% of their pre-Tax salery are not true to the scriptural principle for church rule and order.

      John B

  19. sawyer said

    So you are an x-hinduish cult follower. That explains why you seem to have thrown the baby out with the bathwater, as all atheistic people so easily do. (Atheism in and of itself in some ways is more evolved than religion and spirituality in it’s rejection of the illusions these portray as reality. However, they then often think no being exist beyond human and that the Earth and all it’s intricate life systems randommly generated, yet another grand illusion).

    Of course I agree that sai baba will remain dead if he is dead as will everyone at this point UNLESS the real Kingdom of God chooses to stage such. I could be wrong about sai baba as he could be in deep meditation or coma and could snap out of it somehow. Wouldn’t that be funny to see him spring to life again and all his followers will feel satisfied, as if that alone would identify anyone as being a genuine representative from the Kingdom of God.

    What so many miss, including most Christians I’ve come across and that is many, in addition to what so many say and write is how to actually identify Jesus upon his return.

    It would have to be someone who was as hated as Jesus was, or in todays form of hate, ignored. It would have to be a someone who is face to face with us, thus he’d have to be in operation of a human vehicle again. How else can he talk to us and reveal more truths PLAINLY about His Father and how else can he share the new information he has for us that he said his disciples of 2000 yrs ago were not ready to hear? Is he going to be suspended in the clouds using a God megaphone to talk to all of us as we all must see him at the same time right and seeing will of course know it’s him by his long robe and long hair and trimmed beard and of couse he’ll still have the holes in his hands/wrists to convince the doubters? Oh, but he said such magic was what the charlatans would do, like manifesting ash or gemstones or bending spoons or reading minds or better yet, doing magical air flight as the Space aliens do. Since he’s not a space alien but he’s coming from the literal heavens with his chariot/ white horse then is that chariot going to look like a chariot to us suspended in the sky or like something else or is it going to just look like a ball of light.

    And of couse who among us are “keeping His sayings” to be counted worthy to go with him to his kingdom? If we are a banker or work for a bank and they charge interest on loans then are they keeping his saying to give without charging intestest? What of all the rich christians? Is he going to tell them to give it all to the poor? If so, why does it seem to be so hard to do that now? Didn’t he say to give to those who ask from us and that the more we have the more we are capable of giving – the example He gave of the woman who had little but gave almost all she had while the rich person gave more or had so much more it was hardly a hardship to part with what he had.

    And what of all of us who are married and yet still lust in our minds for others, no matter what our sexual inclination? Is Jesus going to say, he doesn’t know these because they weren’t willing to do what it takes to not “sin”, even go so far as to pluck out an eye or cut off a hand or seek castration (eunuch)? I know, most are certain he couldn’t have been saying that was an acceptible way to show our love for him, yet didn’t Moses require physical sacrifice of animals we valued the most when we sinned.

    And how many christians pray in groups and/or outloud when jesus said, do it in private. And now many recite lengthy prayers and think their much words makes them just and pious, contrary to what Jesus taught?

    And how many of us forgive even those that might abuse us,because they really don’t know what they are doing? I guess everyone who pays their taxes and thereby authorizes the wars and the killing of men, woman and children innocents and terrorists is supporting the breaking of God’s law – “you should not kill”, obviously referring to an action taken against another human being”.

    So I guess all the christians that work in weapons factories and military and engage in deceit to justify their need for intelligence are not christians who expect to go with Jesus.

    But of course Jesus already paid the price. WE are so good and so loving and such nice people that Jesus felt to give himself over to be tortured (which began the first day of his ministry) so we could be with him to live forever and ever as what – a leech, a freeloader, a evangelical casting stones at all who break even the speed limit.

    I met some christians who were preaching out front of one of the gates of the atlanta dogwood festival last weekend and they were talkign about how the wicked would go to hell so I asked who are the wicked and what it wickedness to which none had a response, so I asked, what about breaking the speed limit and they said that was wicked because of something paul said.

    Did jesus tell us to listen to paul? So why would we care about anything he said?

    Come on people, it’s time to wake up. I could go on for another thousand words and some of them WILL hit you.

    The truth is that I’ve been given more accurate understanding of scripture, the real interpretation and application than all of the preachers and evangelical and book writer, symposium talker reverands and guru’s combined and it’s very simple to see, so simple that no one wants to even look at it or consider it because then they’d have to face that they are probably NOT written in the book.

    I’ll be surprised if you even read my posts anymore and if you do I doubt you still let them through to your cherished bread and butter followers, guru LA.

    When is the tribulation to begin LA? what does it mean anyway. It’s simply a time of great troubles? Of course people have had troubles throughout history but what is different now is that the biggest beast who has had hardly any troubles will be having them more and more.

    It’s the US and it’s falling but soon will fall completly and when it does are you going to still be thinking Jesus is comign to save you?

    He’s already been here though you all hate to even consider it. All you can do is say, Do was a cult leader and jesus would never kill himself – duh – then what did he do when he organized the trap and told his followers he’d be killed and instigated his capture.

    And he said his followers would also have to drink that cup. So are you ready to drink his cup?

    In the US you can talk Jesus all day and all night long,hell and brimstone til the cows come home and no one will care and no one will get at all upset enough to test you buy threatening your physical life.

    jesus said if you try to save your life in this world you will lose it in the next.

    Ti and Do are the ONLY genuine members from the Kingom of God and I’ve shared dozens of prophecy proves. Can you stand to consider it? If not, well, that’s fine but you must make a decision. It’s Ti and Do or anythng else. Yes we need to use their names – the song only believes will learn.

    • Mark1:17 said

    • RuggieWx said

      If you want to reject what Paul, Peter, John, and the writers of the New Testament said, then you better throw it all out the window.

      Do you realize what your saying and doing. You taking away from the word of God, and the warnings of doing this are in Rev 22.

      Do you realize Paul and the others told you WHAT JESUS SAID ! Sorry your post was off the wall and I disapprove and reject all that you wrote !

    • sawyer said

      I don’t blame you for not knowing where I am coming from. I do not at all reject all things paul said. I pick and choose what sounds consistant with what Jesus said. WE DO NOT AT ALL NEED ANYTHING PAUL SAID. IN FACT PAUL unknowingly WATERED DOWN WHAT LITTLE HE KNEW OF WHAT JESUS SAID. If you really study Paul you will find that he was least respected by all the apostles jesus appointed. jesus did not appoint paul. Paul appointed himself an apostle. you do not know scripture if you fail to open your eyes to this.

      I said nothing about what John, or peter or anyone else said as they don’t have this mystical story about a spirit or space alien mesmerizing paul into belief, the opposite of the way all scripture shows the way the kingdom of god works. they never, ever, ever shock people into belief and service. they don’t need to and don’t want to because then the person would not be acting on their own free will. You can reject what I say but if you reject what ti and do say you are rejecting the father and jesus as they were the same souls and I can prove it by my 3spm video’s. the question is do you have the thirst to know the truth.

  20. Terry said

    Hi L.A… Looking forward to you coming to Oceanside, June 24th. It also happens to be my birthday. Can’t think of a better way to spend it, and I plan on bringing a few friends.

  21. Gordy said

    The following video is worth watching. It shows the difference between presumption vs hard evidence. Christian faith is not a leap in the dark, it is based on solid facts. There is a difference between wishful thinking and reality.

    OJ Simpson Guilty But Not Of Murder_1.avi part 1 of 6

  22. Mark1:17 said

    I copied the following from a live chat on this website http://www.lookupfellowship.com/ (thought it was intresting)

    Anon9941: anon7967- Actually, there will be two raptures, both from the Lord. Read Revelation, more specifically chapters 6-7 (7:9 to narrow it down even more), and then keep reading through chapter 14. Then just keep reading •• Anyway, the first rapture happens after the sixth seal is broken (and of course we don’t know the day or the hour but boy are the signs unmistakable!). The second rapture occurs after the trumpet judgements, before the full wrath of God in the vial judgements/plagues, to redeem those who were not saved before the first rapture, but during this time period will come to realize Christ as the Son of God and will accept Him and repent. At least, coming from a literal translation that’s how I read it. Right or wrong on the timing, the point is the rapture is clearly from God, not Satan. You just have to read it for yourself •• I’m going to go check on a newborn goat now, have a great night! -Sara

    Anon8768: sara- i’m sorry but you are decieved . unless you die no one is keaving this world untill the seventh trump, the last day. the sevnth trump is when christ will decened from heaven in the clouds. there is only one last day, and on that day you will shed your earthly corrupted body and take on your spirit body of righteousness if youare in CHRIST!

    non1041: anon8768- Good Morning! Just to push a little loving logic: I get my information from the Word, and I thought I was specific enough to prove it. I apologize if I wasn’t, but will repeat again, read Revelation if you haven’t already, read it again if you have. So here’s the logic point- if I get my information straight from the Word of God, yet am deceived, that means I’m being deceived by the Bible. Of course that just doesn’t make sense. If you think I’m reading something wrong, it would be much more helpful to tell me scripturally what I’m not getting right, instead of just telling me I am deceived. We’re supposed to edify the Body of Christ, teach each other when/how the Spirit leads us. Have a great day! -Sara

    Anon9895: sara- I have reread the portion of rev. that you suggested. and just to let you know I have personaly read this book at least 50 times! anyway here in the Revelation 7:13-14 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. you will planely see that it is answerd in the next 2 paragraphs! those who are are clothed in white robs, are those who WENT THROUGH the tribulation and are refined in the holy spirit. this accures at the seventh trmup after the tribulationon the last day!!! as I have already stated and the WORD OF GOD states there is only one last day befor the 1000 year rien of JESUS CHRIST on earth!

    Anon9895: sara – coincidentaly there is only one saved body also and that is the REMNANT CHRISTIANS! who are the TRUE ISRAEL OF GOD!!! if you do not understand this I suggest you read the books of JOHN and ROMANS several times to make clear what is being said and to whom!

    So the arguing was not at all the point of this conversation, so this will be my last reply on the subject •• And sorry anon-who-seems-to-not-like-me-so-much, but you proved my point instead of yours. In chapter 6 we read of the seals being broken, and what happens after the sixth seal into chapter 7. Those arrayed in white showing up all of a sudden happens before the seventh seal, as you wonderfully pointed out, with the seventh being opened in the beginning of chapter 8, directly before the trumpet judgements. The Lord is awesomely distinct and specific with the timeline. But I’ve been taught before, and no longer believe, in the theory that the end times prophecies and Revelation in particular is not a set time line. Well, that just doesn’t make logical, nor even Biblical sense to me anymore. I may be right, I may be wrong (which I doubt but I can’t say as absolute, again thank you anon9936). But either way, what point is this discussion if it’s more about breaking each other down instead of building us up? I’ve got nothing but love for you, but I think this conversation is not productive for either of us and so chose to end it. Have a great night! And I do mean that, I’m not just saying it to sound snotty. •• -Sara

    Anon6361: Sara, please beware & a heads-up: the person who referenced the jew bashing video and who argued with you (& verbally put you down) about the seals/rapture (etc., etc.) is John. He’s left destructive comments in the regular comments section of many of the posts on this blog, and has infiltrated this live chat section as well for some time now (which isn’t monitored) with the same destructive game plan. He’s easily spotted – look for certain misspellings, a terribly condescending tone, and his goal is to destroy & stir up chaos, not edify! Please pray for newbies who are fragile who may drop in on this site who don’t know Christ as their personal Savior, as well as Christians on this site who may be unaware of the dark attacks.

    MarshallRamseyII: The LORD rebuke you, John. May you be banned from here forever.

  23. Gordy said

    Evidence of “The Resurrection of Jesus” in the Shroud of Turin

    by Joseph Amalraj http://www.shroud.com/pdfs/evidenceAmalraj.pdf

  24. Gregory Kasper said

    In secular news posts, I posted that Jesus was the only Way to Heaven…And, Jesus was the 77th man from Adam.

    That really struck a nerve with a few of the Hindus over there. Wow!

  25. sk said

    Jesus came back to life after 3 days is just a story for fools like you. I don’t believe he came back to life if he did then why he couldn’t save himself. Why he let him crucify? It is whole whacky story. Jesus was no god’s son he was just some carpenter. Never heard of virgin’s giving birth. It is bunch of crap just the way you mentioned this baba guy is. All maharishi, baba, jesus as imposters, con artists.
    I am sure if there was internet or video’s camera’s during jesus era there will lot of doubts abouts him too as there is about this baba person.

    Jesus was lucky there was no internet or camera’s and now there are whole bunch of fools praying to just another human being.

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