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Acceleration Radio! Judd H. Burton

Posted by lamarzulli on March 30, 2011

The book of Genesis tells us that “giants were in the earth in those days.” Once great tribes of giants roamed the land, dominating humanity and usurping their resources. But where did they go? Join historian and anthropologist Judd H. Burton as he reconstructs a history of the lost race of giants from the cultural relics they left behind.
 

“The Nephilim were on the Earth in Those Days”

by Judd H. Burton, Ph.D.

The stage is now set for the entrance of the Nephilim, the offspring of the Watcher angels and human females.  “The Sons of God went into the daughters of men” as Genesis 6:4 relates.  The product is the first generation of giants: the Nephilim. While the Watchers—the members of the Sons of God in question—were certainly a corruptive influence, the Nephilim were the bane of antediluvian man’s existence.  Genesis 6:5 alludes to their impact on humanity, stating humanity had become so wicked that it grieved Yahweh, and that “every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time.”  However, it is 1 Enoch again that provides additional commentary on the situation.  In chapter 7, the women became pregnant and bore great giants, towering monsters whose appetites exceeded what humanity could produce.  When humanity’s resources ran low, the giants turned on mankind, and began to devour them during a period marked by gore and terror.  To add to the offenses, the giants committed atrocities against animals, and eventually turned on one another, turning to cannibalism and blood-drinking.

Chapter ten outlines a change in the reign of the giants and Watchers.  The Watcher angels loyal to Yahweh—in this case, at the behest of Gabriel—incited a civil war amongst the giants so that they might annihilate one another.  Altogether a tremendous judgment is exacted upon them, and their remnant prompts the deluge:  the great flood of the Bible.

There is certainly no small amount of debate concerning the actual morphological construction of the word “Nephilim” and the very definition for that matter.  It’s a controversial topic to begin with, compounded by the different interpretations of the word.  The meaning in the public circles in which this topic circulates is often taken as “fallen ones” (which may be accurate in terms of what there state was).  However, the word itself literally means “giants,” and may also—interestingly enough—refer to lizards or serpents (thought-provoking,eh?).  Dr. Michael Heiser has demonstrated the linguistic reasons behind translating the word as such in his very worthwhile essay “The Meaning of the Word Nephilim.”  What is also telling, and of interest to me as an early Christian historian and classicist, is the word selection in translating “Nephilim” into the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Hebrew scriptures (3rd-2nd centuries BC).  I love this—this is the deal-sealer for me (maybe because my Greek is so much better than my smattering of Hebrew, ha ha).  The word that the storied Seventy translators chose in place of “Nephilim,” was something a Greek audience would know instantly, and which conveyed EXACTLY the same concept behind the Hebrew “Nephilim.”  The word was “gigantes,” from which we derive “gigantic” and “giant.”  In Greek mythology, these creatures were large in stature and often born of divine and human parents.  The Jews translating lived in Alexandria, Egypt and were Hellenized, and were very familiar with Hebrew and Greek tradition, and could thus select an appropriate Greek analog for “Nephilim.”

Giants.  On the earth.  Long ago.  Outside of fairy tails, in a tangible reality.  Let that sink in.

Well, the next phase in giant history is largely spelled out in the Bible.  God sends the flood, and the remnant perish.  Or do they?  Some may have survived, but likely there were subsequent incursions into the ancient Levant, additional generations of Nephilim produced afterward, as suggested by Genesis 6: 4:  “The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—AND also afterward (emphasis mine).”  Taking the Biblical text for its historicity, we also learn that their were other Nephilim and a very specific branching into tribes and clans in the Levant during the Bronze and Iron Ages, as evinced by the Anakim encountered by Joshua and the spies (Numbers 13:33), Og and the Rephaim (Deut. 3), and, amongst other examples, Goliath of Gath (1 Sam. 17). So, there were subsequent generations.

Once a giant perishes, what happens though?  This also is a matter of some contention.  However, I think the answer can once again be found the pages of 1 Enoch, specifically 1 Enoch 15.  Here the author relates that the spirits of giants were to be called “evil spirits” on the earth.  Verse 11 states clearly that “The spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth and cause trouble.”  The term “evil spirit’ is routinely used to describe demons in the New Testament.  It would seem that at the very least, a substantial portion of giants killed in the flood became demons, the evil spirits of later millennia.

© Judd Burton, Burton Beyond, 2011

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73 Responses to “Acceleration Radio! Judd H. Burton”

  1. Late Night Lisa said

    Since human spirits either now go straight to either heaven or hell – (not roaming around earth as our dead aunt Gertrude) Demons come from Nephilim seem like the best explaination to me.

    • Bozz said

      What if the Nephilim were only 1 billion in number back then? Today we have close to 7 billion people. We are told that only demons can posses people. Wouldn`t that make them awfully outnumbered by the living souls today? So when a fallen angel comes to an individual that he wants to destroy with possessing him, he must call demons to his aid? My understanding is short in this field. Can someone provide some biblical evidence of the difference between demons and fallen angels? Why couldn`t a fallen angel have the ability to posses a person also? The way I understand they are spirits also.

      I am skeptical about the book of Enoch. Aren`t in there also references to angel worship and such? I didn`t have the time to read it in its entirety yet, but I watched videos of people on utube who did. Ok, Jude and others quoted from it. But in this book there are verses that go against the bible, doesn`t that make it just a little bit suspicious? Maybe Jude quoted from tradition? Or maybe the real book got destroyed and somebody wrote a counterfeit to deceive with? Like the dead sea scrolls who contain all of the books of the bible, except Esther, but also a lot of other gnostic stuff…

    • Rose from Kentucky said

      Hi, Bozz,
      I can’t answer all your questions – no one has any idea how many nephilim were on the earth before the flood nor after it.
      However, I can answer some. The primary difference between a fallen angel and a nephilim is that all angels were original creations of God (bene elohim). They all have bodies: not like humans, but bodies nonetheless. When the angels fell, they retained their bodies.
      The nephilim were manipulated (a cross breed) between humans and angels. They had bodies of flesh, like humans, but were angelic in their intelligence and capabilities. When their bodies died in the flood, they became wretched, wandering souls that craved shelter, whether it be in a human, animal or object (like an idol, although an old easy chair will do). Their entire existence can be defined as seeking to slake their lust for all the things they had when they had their bodies.
      The Bible talks at length about the fact that when people sacrifice to idols, they are really worshipping demons.
      Here is a website that correlates the writings of 1 Enoch with that of the New Testament.

      http://www.watchmanbiblestudy.com/BibleStudies/BibleStudy_BookofEnoch.htm

      I hope this helps.

    • Bozz said

      Thanks Rose! I will look into it.

  2. Bozz said

    JL, Jesus Christ rose on the feast of first fruits, in the middle of the feast of unleavened bread that lasts for one week. Instead of defending Easter, defend God`s true holy days if you even know them all. Defending Easter with arguments, that we remember Christ`s rising from the dead on that day, is just funny. So now I have to wait for a whole year to remember that Christ rose from the dead on that particular day? Why would I even want to celebrate a man made tradition that for example Herod celebrated who mocked Christ before his crucifixion and killed James? In the KJB in Acts 12:4 there is a clear distinction being made between Passover and Easter.

    “The eggs are dyed red to remind us of the Blood of Christ:

    ‘Who is this coming from Edom, from Bozrah, with his garments stained crimson? Who is this, robed in splendor, striding forward in the greatness of his strength? “It is I, speaking in righteousness, mighty to save.‘”

    Strange. I don`t see any eggs in this verse like you do.

    “In continuity with this, the Church has appropriated many customs and traditions from the cultures with which it has had contact, reinterpreting them in a Christian way, and imbuing them with a Christian message, bringing them into “captivity for Christ”.”

    Where does this end? Then RCC has nothing to worry about. They can bring all the pagan stuff from other religions they want in (like they didn`t all-ready) and supposedly make it Christian for a sign that Christ triumphed over all. Why would the All-mighty want to bring man made traditions under his captivity? Wouldn`t he rather see his Word emphasized? Where in the OT do we read, that Christ rose on Easter? These traditions are empty, null and void, from a pagan origin and now all of a sudden, Christ wants them for himself for a sign of his triumph over the pagan stuff? I don`t need to celebrate Easter to know that he triumphed over all. I know that. It is written. The way I understand scriptures, he said we must separate ourselves from this, we are free in him. I mean all this fuss about eggs and stuff is like the Jews and their many customs that had nothing to do with the Word of God and that Christ rebuked when he came the 1st time. Ok, it`s somewhat different, there are not rules we have to paint eggs or else, but still, it`s a tradition. If you want to do that on that day, fine, but don`t say it has something to do with Christ. I do not see anything wrong with eating eggs on that day or chocolate bunnies either, but to say that that has something to do with Christ is just funny.

    1 Corinthians 10:23 (King James Version)

    All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

    The true Feasts of the Lord are a shadow of things to come, they are prophetic. I do not see Easter being one of them anywhere in the scriptures.

    • Bon said

      The question is, did the Romans take pagan practices and make them “Christian” or did they take the original church and make it pagan?

      Rome was torturing and killing the followers of Yeshua, but to no avail. They were willing to die and continued to grow. Rome had to do SOMETHING to maintain control…

    • Late Night Lisa said

      This is too much to fret over right now – for me anyway. There are a few other things I’m more concerned with @ this point in time.

      Whichever tradition the Holy Spirit uses to draw people to Himself is ok by me.

      For some it could still be “Easter” & for others it may be the “Feast of First Fruits”. I do not care – because I know in the end God will straighten all of this out in His timing during the Millennial Reign of Christ. There He will rule w/a rod of iron.

      Isn’t the only Feast mentioned in the Bible during the Millennial Reign the Feast of Tabernacles?

    • Bon said

      I’m sorry but I don’t believe the Holy Spirit uses “tradition” to draw people. I believe people are drawn and then sadly subject to demographical availability. I really hate insulting people and challenging things they hold dear, but my conscious fears for them enough to sacrifice my popularity if it will cause them to stop and think about things that are just not right. For example, praying to “saints”, “hail Mary” chanting, and obtaining forgiveness from a PRIEST! These practices are fundamentally wrong to say the least.
      I have also learned as of late that relying on and focusing on religious works and laws will endanger your salvation as it is by grace alone that we can be saved. Christ ALONE. I used to get angry at God for not answering my prayers and honoring my “years of service”. He spoke plainly to me one day and I am forever grateful. He said I was “closer to him in my wild teen-days (religion would say “backslidden”) than I was to him at the time”! I was stunned and confused! I came to understand that it is faith in His grace ALONE that we are saved. When we add our works, we step out of grace. Religious teachings had me confused about this for YEARS as I believed it was my “duty”. It could have cost me my soul! I may have missed the Rapture before I came to.
      Religion is a trap because it beguiles us to put our faith in the wrong places.

    • Sundown Lady said

      Bon, as I said before, my daughter, son-in-law, and grandchildren are devout Catholics. They worship the mass in Latin, and practice the Catholic observances from before the Vatican II council.

      I have prayed about this many times because, like you, I do not agree with many of their practices. Every time I pray, the Lord says to me: TRUST ME! I WILL TAKE CARE OF IT. You will only widen the divide between you if you try to force your beliefs on them.

      So that is what I do. I trust the Lord will bring them where they need to be. He doesn’t need my help. He needs me to love them. So if you really want to make an impact in someone’s life, then pray…the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds. Striving with someone is not going to change anything. It’s only going to build the wall between you that much stronger.

      Relying and focusing on YOUR ability to change anyone is futile…you cannot see a person’s heart, only God can.

      It is not your obligation to try and change anyone from the outside. It is your privilege to pray for them and believe God to do the changing if change be needed.

      I have read the posts between you and JL, and they become very heated and unlovely. And right there is where you’ve lost the edge. Whenever you enter in strife, even if you are right, you are wrong.

      SL

    • Bon said

      SL, You are right. I cant change anyone but I CAN speak the truth. I am not afraid. It is then up to the person to accept it or not.Im sorry you see me as “unlovely” but Jesus didnt candy-coat the truth to those teaching things that cause others to stumble. He was quite a bit more harsh than I…

      As far as JL, he has challanged me again and again and I mearly answered.And Im sorry to say, your chastisement OF me is a contradiction of your message TOO me.I do understand your centiment but I believe the truth is often unsaid for fear of offense.

    • Mark1:17 said

      Late Night, I agree. There are much more urgent issues to address in these end times. I believe God is very pleased when His people gather to celebrate Him, be it on easter or any other day. I receive so much joy on easter Sunday, going to church and greeting everyone by saying “He has Risen”, “He has Risen indeed”. The church I attend always gives a powerful message on easter Sunday. It is a real blessing to be gathered with fellow believers in Christ and celebrate His ressurection.

      Sundown, right on! God is in control!

    • Late Night Lisa said

      Bon, We were talking in the context of “Easter” & “Passover” then you bring up false Catholic “tradition” to prove your point. That’s just kind of lame.

      All I can explain is what & how I see the Holy Spirit working. So that’s it. I have a relationship w/Jesus Christ & am not convicted what-so-ever. In my own backslid days I didn’t celebrate any & I mean ANY Pagan influenced holidays as a JW. And my “not” celebrating them was being just as “Religious” as those who do celebrate them w/o a relationship w/Christ.

      This year I’m attending our Church’s Passover Seder & the Easter Service so go figure. You must think I’m just one mixed up mess of a person to honor & worship our Messiah on both days.

      Back to this question- I thought you’d know the answer~

      “Isn’t the only Feast mentioned in the Bible during the Millennial Reign the Feast of Tabernacles?”

    • JL said

      >>If you want to do that on that day, fine, but don`t say it has something to do with Christ.

      For the Christian, everything has something to do with Christ.

      >>did they take the original church and make it pagan?

      Matthew 16:18 (KJV)
      And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

      >>I’m sorry but I don’t believe the Holy Spirit uses “tradition” to draw people.

      2 Thessalonians 2:15 (KJV)
      Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

      >>Religious teachings had me confused about this for YEARS as I believed it was my “duty”.

      I am sorry that you thought that, and glad for you that you’ve come around to an understanding of freedom in Christ. There are no works any of us could do to ‘merit’ salvation. Salvation is by grace through faith. That is the Orthodox Christian teaching.

    • Bozz said

      JL… tradition that comes from God not from man. Why don`t you also quote Matthew 16:22-23?

      Matthew 16:22-23 (KJV)
      Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.

      But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

      “This rock” – Christ referred to himself and Peter was the first stone on it. In the verses I quoted you see what Satan can do with us (Peter is an example to all of us) if we are not careful and don`t obey God`s word. Peter did not listen to the Messiah`s words, he didn`t get it. He listened to his own intuition and understanding that was from Satan. Peter in that moment savoured the things of men, not of God. Or Satan that was deceiving him on that occasion.

      Christ is the rock, Peter is a stone. Research the explanation of the original greek text.

      LNL, I don`t know about you, but when I came to Christ, I came by the word of God (the bible alone) and not by man made tradition. Jesus Christ taught that our faith can be in vain if we follow the traditions and doctrines of men. I take that serious.

    • Bozz said

      Sundown Lady, I always like to read your posts. But I don`t agree with you on the strife thing.

      “Whenever you enter in strife, even if you are right, you are wrong.”

      I wonder how you view the strife of Matthew 23 between Jesus Christ and the Phareeses & Saducees? I wonder how you view the strife of Martin Luther in 1517 against the RCC or William Tyndale? It`s his strife that brought us the AKJV eventually. They fought righteously for the Word of God, for the Truth, so that we today can enjoy their fruit.

      If people would get what Mystery, Babylon the great is, and the doctrine of the Nicolaitans that Christ hates (letter to Ephesus) would they just idly stand by and say “Oh, lets just love each other and everything will be all-right?” No, the bold ones will speak the truth, like they did after 1517 and the sheep who are of the Shepherd will come out because they hear His voice, His word (Revelation 18:4). Nothing has changed. The only difference between today and 1517 is that people back then knew what Mystery, Babylon the great is and they did not search for it somewhere in the future.

      Patrick posted a while back a great explanation on Psalms 82. Today the saints are kings and priests. And while we prey for the lost, we must also stand for the truth, even if people who don`t get it will attack us with “you don`t love us” excuse. It`s the love for the Word of God that divides the bride from the Mystery, Babylon the great.

    • Bozz said

      lol sorry, I meant pray for the lost.

    • JL said

      Bozz,

      I could be wrong, but it seems you think I quoted the passage from Matthew in order to prove something about Peter. In fact, I quoted it in response to Bon who asked whether the Church had been compromised by paganism. My point was that the gates of hell cannot, will not, and have not prevailed against Christ’s Church. As to Peter, I do not ascribe to the RC doctrine you seem to be arguing against. My views on that issue are likely roughly the same as yours.

      As to tradition, you’re creating a 2-choice scheme – traditions of men vs. Scripture – which the Scriptures themselves do not support. Scripture speaks of tradition sometimes negatively, sometimes positively. You yourself mentioned the tradition that comes from God: this is the true tradition of the Apostles, whether by word of mouth or by epistle. It is this tradition, God’s not man’s, to which Christians must hold fast.

      You say you came by the Bible alone. But the Bible must be interpreted.

      Acts 8:30-31 (KJV)
      And Philip ran thither to him , and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? [31] And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

      Apostolic tradition is Scripture rightly interpreted.

    • Bozz said

      I agree, but lets make sure we do not follow the interpretation of wolf`s in sheep clothing. Apostolic tradition is in the bible, in the scripture, so there is no 2-choice scheme. These were men inspired by the Holy Spirit. You know what I meant, I meant the tradition of men that is outside of the bible.

    • Bozz said

      I am not arguing just against RC doctrine. Watch some ecumenical videos on youtube how protestant leaders today are kissing the Pope`s ring and coming back under the same roof. The Nicolaitans, Balaam`s of today and the false prophetess Jezebel are having a field day.

    • john B said

      Spiritual truth cannot be interpreted it is given.

      “A man can receive nothing lest it be given him from above”

      I do not worship days of jewish feasts. I worship God the Father and his Son Jesus Christ.

      John b

    • john B said

      Lot of christians have been duped about Rome Bozz.

      They got to come across as the good guys, but you and I know that the infiltration can only be seen with spiritual eyes.
      This is not about Catholic, Protestant, Jew, Muslim, it is about Truth as you rightly point out. Amen

      JOhn b

      john b

    • Bozz said

      Amen, John B. I don`t worship them either. It is not commanded to us in the book of acts. I am just saying they are more important because of their prophetic significance than the man made feasts that hold no significance in God`s eyes. The Feasts of God the Father are a shadow of things to come. ~The feast of tabernacles~ is what we will be attending in the millenium.

      people cling to Easter because it is a tradition of a particular church they are attending, not because it is a tradition ordained by God.

    • Sundown Lady said

      Bon, If I said you were unlovely, I apologize. What I meant to say that words can be unlovely, or the manner in which they are spoken can be unlovely.

      Bozz, pardon me if I misled. I was talking about striving between two brothers in the Lord. The Pharisees and Saducees were as Jesus said, of their father the devil.

      As the Apostle Paul exhorts us in Colosians 4:6 – “Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye know how ye ought to answer every man.”

      I welcome your disagreement…that gives me an opportunity to learn something perhaps I am in error about.

    • Patrick said

      All roads lead to Rome, soon all roads will lead to Jerusalem, I am patiently waiting.
      Don’t make a fuss just get on the bus!

    • Doug said

      Bon and SL. You both made great posts up there or wherever this lands. Those verses are great SL. I have cherished and repeated them in strident situations for 20 years now.

      Bon, being saved by grace through faith in the redemptive power of Jesus blood shed on the cross and that’s it for me too.

      I sometimes think it is the enemy that seeks to project strife among the brethern. It’s possible it is best to hunker down and get as close to Christ through the Holy Spirit as we can at all times. If asked to speak for our Lord, be bold in Him.
      Otherwise, it is a committment to prayer for this dieing world and for the safety of our brothers and sisters.
      Protection from things here and you know where. And have The Armor.

    • john B said

      This is true Doug, the enemy sows the seeds of division. But how? False doctrine! and in these end-times it is in Jesus’ Name among the bretheren. I agree “Hunker down”.

      john B

    • Sundown Lady said

      Seeing this through my understanding:

      Eph 4:14-15 – “That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive: BUT SPEAKING THE TRUTH IN LOVE, [we] may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ.”

      In 1st Corinthians 13, we find our Bible definition of Love.

      I agree, Jesus did confront, but I don’t believe he engaged in long winded argumentation. He just laid out the truth and went on. He didn’t seem to be concerned about convincing anyone of what he said. For some reason he always seemed to achieve the “gotcha” moment with his opponents because perhaps he spoke by the leading of the Holy Spirit.
      It seems he was able to foresee the encounters the Holy Spirit led him into before he ever happened upon them. Thereby he could be prepared in advance.
      We can see an example of that in Jesus encounter with Nathanael: “Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, ‘Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!’ Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, ‘Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee.'” (John 1:47-48)

  3. Matt said

    Ancient find has Bible experts ‘dumbstruck’
    Could a trove of metal books found in a cave be “the major discovery of Christian history”?

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110330/ts_yblog_thelookout/could-lead-codices-prove-the-major-discovery-of-christian-history

    • Matt said

      One of the largest and best-preserved collections of ancient sealed books has been discovered in a cave in Jordan and are believed to be some of the earliest Christian documents, according to the BBC.

      The 70 tiny books could date back to the first century. Carbon dating tests found that a piece of leather found with the scrolls was over 2000 years old.

      Experts say the books, made of lead and copper and bound by rings, may be more significant than the Dead Sea Scrolls, BBC reports.

      The writing featured in the books is a form of archaic Hebrew script with ancient messianic symbols, mixed with some form of a code, according to a news release. The codices show notable references to symbols of the Feast of Tabernacle, and depict images of menorahs and fruiting palm trees.

      A friend of mine who is a athiest sent me an email today , we discussed this article and the finding of the books,( he was fine with me sharing this) he said to me, “Neither Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, Jews – or atheists – have any compelling evidence about the origins of the universe. Christians say God popped into existence spontaneously (or was just ‘always there’), while atheists say the universe popped into existence spontaneously (or was just ‘always there’). Which seems more plausible – that some super powerful and all knowing creature came out of nowhere and then created a humongous universe and put life on one tiny little speck, while saying “I love you all and you are important” – or that an entire universe popped into existence and that life started just like everything else (very primitive) and eventually evolved with the stars, galaxies, and planets?

      For me, the latter seems more logical. Doesn’t mean I am right – it just sounds more logical to me.

      I responded, “Someone once said that if you sat a million monkeys at a million typewriters for a million years, one of them would eventually type out all of Hamlet by chance. But when we find the text of Hamlet, we don’t wonder whether it came from chance and monkeys. Why then does the atheist use that incredibly improbable explanation for the universe? Clearly, because it is his only chance of remaining an atheist. At this point we need a psychological explanation of the atheist rather than a logical explanation of the universe”

    • Mark1:17 said

      I always thought it took more faith to be an atheist. A very dark and lonely kind of faith.

    • Rose from Kentucky said

      This is a fabulous find.

    • Alice again said

      That was really cool, Matt!!! Thanks! :)

  4. Matt said

    Christians shun Malaysian gov’t offer in Bible row

    Malaysia’s main Christian grouping on Wednesday rejected a government attempt to settle a protracted row over seized shipments of Malay-language Bibles, calling instead for the right to freely practice its religion.

    A dispute over the use of the word “Allah” as a translation for God prompted custom authorities to hold 5,000 Indonesian-produced Bibles since 2009 and another 30,000 earlier this year. The government bans the use of “Allah” in non-Islamic texts, saying it could confuse majority Muslims or be used to convert them. The ban is being reviewed by a court.

    The government last week offered to release the Bibles if the words “For Christianity” are stamped on them, scraping plans to put serial numbers and seals on each after Christians slammed the move as desecrating their holy book.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110330/ap_on_re_as/as_malaysia_seized_bibles

    • Patrick said

      Golly Gee Wilikers, why would they translate GOD’s name to Allah in a Christian bible anyway? :mad:
      For me Allah is not GOD. I would call GOD Allah without hesitation if his son was Jesus Christ.
      But this Allah has no son called Jesus Christ.

      Yahweh Akbar!

    • JL said

      Allah is the normal Arabic word for God. It was used by Arab Christians prior to Islam and is still used by Arab Christians to this day. It seems weird to me too, since I’m so used to hearing Allah in relation to Islam, but yeah, it turns out it’s just what Arabic speakers call God. I guess in Indonesia the situation is slightly different because they don’t speak Arabic. There I guess it’s more of a cultural thing?

    • Rose from Kentucky said

      lol

    • IndyRose said

      Patrick, Agreed!

      Per Let Us Reason at: http://www.letusreason.org/islam6.htm

      “Historians like Vaqqidi have said Allah was actually the chief of the 360 gods being worshipped in Arabia at the time Mohammed rose to prominence. Ibn Al-Kalbi gave 27 names of pre-Islamic deities…Interestingly, not many Muslims want to accept that Allah was already being worshipped at the Ka’ba in Mecca by Arab pagans before Mohammed came. Some Muslims become angry when they are confronted with this fact. But history is not on their side. Pre-Islamic literature has proved this.” (G. J. O. Moshay, Who Is This Allah? (Dorchester House, Bucks, UK, 1994), pg. 138).

      Mecca was the place where the idol Allah was located, so the people would face in that direction when they prayed. Prior to Islam the people would pray 5 times a day facing Mecca (The Encyclopedia of Islam p.303) Prior to Islam’s beginning each Arab tribe used Allah to refer to its own particular high god. This is why Hubal, the Moon god, (known by other names) was the central focus of prayer at the Kaabah and people prayed to Hubal and they used the name Allah. The crescent moon was the symbol of the moon God Allah (Hubal) and is still used as a symbol of Islam today (although they have changed the meaning to be -from Mecca to the moon Islam will spread). Today there is hardly a Muslim that knows its ancient origin. History records it as an ancient pagan fertility symbol that is found throughout the Middle East. Mohammed smashed all the idols that led the people into idolatry but the black stone was kept which Muslims continue to kiss today. This was another practice that preceded Mohammad.

      Mohammed made Allah into a single being who, unlike the Bible’s God who is called Father, has no Son. Because of this portrayal, there is no fellowship or love among the godhead before God created man. Creation and man therefore become a necessity for God to express His attributes or characteristic’s. This God has never revealed Himself to man but revealed only His will. This God is so removed from man that it is impossible to know him in a personal way, he relates to man only through his will and law. It is a religion of obedience no different than any other.

      Mohammed made Allah into a single being who, unlike the Bible’s God who is called Father, has no Son. Because of this portrayal, there is no fellowship or love among the godhead before God created man. Creation and man therefore become a necessity for God to express His attributes or characteristic’s. This God has never revealed Himself to man but revealed only His will. This God is so removed from man that it is impossible to know him in a personal way, he relates to man only through his will and law. It is a religion of obedience no different than any other.

      To the Muslim God is strictly singular, all seeing, all hearing, almighty, He is the first and the last. But what differs is that he has no Son and he cannot be called Father who relates to His son in a unique way (Son and Father does not mean offspring in historic Christianity).

    • Patrick said

      IndyRose, informative post, thanks!

      1 John 2:23 (King James Version)

      23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
      —————————————————————————————————–
      Revelation 22:12 (King James Version)

      12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

    • JL said

      I’m glad you reminded us that according to Islam, Allah has no Son. This is a very important point that people who say ‘we worship the same God’ seem to forget. The Christian God “is love”. That can’t be said of the Muslim deity.

  5. Matt said

    What is hell? Book stirs debate about afterlife

    What does hell mean to you? Is it an endless nightmare for sinners and unsaved souls, as mainstream Christianity has taught for centuries? Or is hell here on Earth, in the distractions, addictions and emptiness of daily life?

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110327/ap_on_re_us/us_hell__no

  6. Dee said

    This is a random question: has anyone ever heard of or experienced something like that of a spiritual encounter in the form of a person entering your room. Not so much like a ghost,but more like a hologram of sorts. I had an experience like this last night. I had just laid down to bed, turned off my light when I saw what seemed to be a man walking into my room. I asked my husband, ‘do you see that?’. He had already gone to sleep, but prayed that whatever it was would go in JESUS name. It was really weird, as if this ‘person’ had walked into the wrong room. Yes, it scared me, but the entity didn’t look frightening. Sorry to sound so freakish, but I can’t find any answers.

    • Bon said

      Did you see its eyes Dee? I have heard stories from people who said they thought they saw a strange person in their house. One story in particular came from a girl I know. The story she told me was an expirience of her brothers when they once shared an apartment years ago. She said she came home from work one night to find her brother sobbing and shaking. (I’ve met him and he is kind of a “tough-guy” type)He told her that he had come home to a dark apartment very tired from the day. He sat down on the couch without bothering to turn lights on and leaned his head back to relax.He said a man walked into the room and sat down in front of him. He was trembling and crying as he told her.He said the man told him to “kill himself”! When she asked him what the man looked like, he responded,”he looked just like ME with red eyes!”.

      I always thought this one of the most distubing stories! I’ve heard other things about the “red eyes” accounts. Im not sure what its about.

    • john B said

      The red eyes! as was my visitation. The hooded figure with red eyes I tied it to the Masonic principalities in my Locality.

      Victory in Jesus

      John B

    • Sundown Lady said

      It’s just the devil trying to put fear…coming to steal, to kill, and to destroy…and coming to see if you know who you are IN CHRIST.

      Don’t know if you are familiar with Lester Sumrall, he has gone on to be with the Lord now. He had a very powerful casting out of devils ministry. He tells a story that goes something like this: one night when he was asleep in his room, his bed started shaking. He woke up to find something standing at the foot of his bed. He looked at it and said, “Oh, it’s just you.” turned over and went back to sleep.

      Just do like you did…rebuke the thing in Jesus Name and it will have to flee.

    • Dee said

      Thank you for your responses. Our spiritual warfare has gone up in just the last few days! We’ve had some witnessing opportunities lately. I just thought this particular experience was really weird, how it came about. But yes, I agree, just another tactic to scare us or disturb us. I had read something one time about people who “had power” to walk through time, not sure if it was a military warfare thing or what. That’s what I was wondering… But thank you again for taking the time.

      Peace,

      Dee

    • Doug said

      Dee, I normally never see things. Although I have been feeling attacks as others say they have. Mostly since I have been witnessing to New Agers.
      But 3 weeks ago, I was sleeping in my chair having an afternoon nap. I was awakened and I saw for a second or felt I saw, a woman with white hair but young and I thought pretty, wearing a brilliant royal blue outfit. She was standing by my tv and looking to the side out at the sunset in the big glass windows.
      She was tall! Later,I figured height compared to the room and she must have been 6’5″
      She was gone, like faded out in a second or less and other than the observation I had, I wasn’t sure anything was there.

  7. Late Night Lisa said

    GET INTO THE ARK
    by David Wilkerson | March 25, 2011

    John Owen, the great Puritan preacher, spoke the following message to his congregation on April 9, 1680:

    “You know that for many years, without failing, I have been warning you continually of an approaching calamitous time, and considering the sins that have been the causes of it…I have told you that judgment will begin in the house of God; that God seems to have hardened our hearts from his fear…and that none knows what the power of his wrath will be. In all these things I have foretold you of perilous, distressing, calamitous times…These all now lie at the door, and are entering in upon us.”

    God did send his awful judgments on that society. John Owen lived to weep over a flaming holocaust that engulfed London.

    Yet, before he ever saw a single one of these calamities take place, Owen faithfully cried out from his pulpit, “I am going to show you how we ought to deport ourselves in and under the distressing calamities that are coming upon us, and may reach, it may be, up to the very neck.”

    Beloved, we’re living in just such a time as Owen’s. And in times like these, there is only one response to the coming storm. “The just shall live by faith!”

    Owen admonished his people with tears, “Get you an ark—prepare an ark for the safety of you and your families.” Then he added, “The ark is Jesus Christ. There is no other way, no other ark—for Isaiah, the prophet, said of our Lord, ‘And a man [Christ] shall be as an hiding place from the wind, and a covert from the tempest, as rivers of water in a dry place, as the shadows of a great rock in a weary land.’ That is our ark! Blessed are they that trust only in him…I know of no safety, no deliverance, in the trials and afflictions coming upon the earth, but in believing Christ as our only refuge.”

    We may see dangers on all sides, including a devil and his principalities who want to drown our faith in doubts. But we have a fiery guard of angels surrounding us and a God who is under oath to carry us through any disaster we may face.

    So let me ask you, do you want to face the coming storm with quiet confidence and peace of mind? Then die today to all your own ways and means of saving yourself and commit the keeping of your life wholly to God’s care. He’s your good, loving Shepherd—and he is faithful to see you through all!

    Fix your eyes on Jesus. He alone is our hope.

  8. Mrs. M said

    I like Wilkerson. Thanks for posting that. I wanted to bring up a disturbing trend. What’s going on with tv personalities talking gibberish lately? (on drudge)I pray Judge Judy hasn’t had a stroke, if she hasn’t this will be the 3rd in just over a month who has done this. Any ideas?

  9. Late Night Lisa said

    Here is an interesting “observation” our Pastor mentioned this evening.

    All 3 religions – Islam, Judaism, & Christianity acknowledge that the “signs” of these days “signal” the return of their Messiahs.

    This year when we go to Israel in May – (Part of which is the Epicenter Conference) The Orthodox Rabbi’s want to get together w/the Evangelical Christians ( I’m assuming the Pastors) to discuss the coming of the Messiah. They realize that the Christians are the only other people who feel that the turn of events in the ME & pressure upon Israel may be leading to the prophetic fulfillment of Ezekiel 38/39. This is the 1st time that a meeting for this reason has been requested.

    Anyway, I found that particularly interesting.

    • Mark1:17 said

      LNL, I’m praying for you and your trip to the Holy Land. I don’t know why but I’m excited for you and your report from Israel. Keep us updated if you can or tell us all about it when you get back. I’m sure you will come back more blessed and on fire for the Lord,not that you’re not already :)

    • Late Night Lisa said

      Thanks Mark! If this droid works over there Ill update you daily. I hope to come back w/a few nice pictures. I don’t know how I’m going to handle all the excitement of being there & to add on the prophecy conference. I’m still in a stupor that I’m actually going . This is almost sureal for me – I would have never anticipated this in a million years. I know people go all the time & its no big deal but I’m a mom w/kids & responsibilities. Leave my family solo to take off on a vacation to Israel? I’m pretty speehless- Its just not my norm.

      Then add to that my friend who is coming to help w/the kids made up a “code word” for me in the event I get kidnapped………… Oye Veah!

    • Kimberly said

      8-O !!! Ummmm…. if you hear some strange rattling around in your suitcase… don’t panic, it’s not a dirty vermin animal… it’s me!!! I packed myself in your suitcase hoping you don’t mind. :-o That is soooo cool that you get to go! :-D It’s my dream place, and even imagining to go would be surreal indeed!… but it’s now very much real for you… (sigh… just pure awesomeness.)

      And please, don’t get kidnapped.

    • Rose from Kentucky said

      Lisa,
      My 70-year-old parents survived the trip last October. They were exhausted, but overjoyed. You’ll be fine. We’re praying for you – pay close attention and tell us EVERYTHING!!!

    • Late Night Lisa said

      I can tell you one thing already – If you go – rent a global phone set up for Israel.They mail it to you ahead of time @ a new # & you ship it back when you return home.

      I checked w/my cell phone company & the bill for me to use the cell phone was high enough but “if” I used my phone for internet connection – my typical “data” for 9 days would come to Six Thousand dollars!

      How is that even possible?!? I think I’ll pass so I’m going to rent a blackberry & hopefully won’t be “unplugged” when I’m there.

    • JL said

      Do you think this sort of thing could be the beginning of the conversion of the Jews?

    • Sundown Lady said

      Could be seeds planted…but from what I understand, and I could be off base, the Lord will not open the eyes of the understanding of the Jews until after the church is gone.

    • Late Night Lisa said

      Seed planting that may sprout later? Hard to tell but they were the ones to request the conversation. Hummm……

  10. john B said

    I am puzzled that a woman (daughter of eve) could carry within her metabolism an over size embryo and then give it birth. you know what I mean!
    A gigantic baby coming forth from an average woman.
    Any comments ladies!

    John b

  11. Rose from Kentucky said

    Giant skulls found (and, of course, the Discovery Channel puts its evolutionary spin on the story)… These are highly reminiscient of the Star Child skull.

    http://beforeitsnews.com/story/517/544/New_Giant_Skulls_Found.html

  12. Mrs M said

    LNL,
    Yes, Tabernacles is the only feast we’re told that is observed during the millenium. Because Jesus will have fulfilled the previous feasts! Rev 21:3 confirms this- when Yahweh comes to tabernacle with us again!

    We should be watching over Passover this year as Passover, Easter, and orthodox Easter ALL are on the same week. This rarely happens and I think we are about to see Ps 83, the destruction of Damascus- all hell break loose. THEN Judah’s eyes will be open (Is 6) They will see their teachers (Is 30-Spirit filled believers in Yeshua- ‘this is the way- walk in it’) This is the time of the latter rain, this is the season.

    • Sundown Lady said

      Yes, Mrs. M, Bashar al-Assad is not seeming to like the climate in the ME right now.

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