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Rapture: Keep Our Eyes on the GAME!

Posted by lamarzulli on October 12, 2010

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L. A. Marzulli

There are many comments about the Rapture recently, so I have decided to address the issue again. Actually, all the debating about when it happens proves my point! It takes our eyes off the GAME and focuses on proving that what we believe is right.

I believe in the Rapture of the church. I believe that at some point we will be taken up, to meet the Lord in the air, literally. I have had a vision of this and what left me speechless was this. We were gathered together, but there was space between us. We weren’t packed like sardines! Everyone knew exactly what had happened. There was a holy silence, a still reverence, as we all knew where we were! Then, I realized that my sin nature was gone. It wasn’t there anymore. I had been changed in an instant. Then the vision ended. All of this took place in less than a minute. I sometimes tell people about that when I’m speaking. Now that that has been made clear here’s an analogy:

It is the 4th quarter of a football game. Our team is behind by 3 points! We are down at the 25 yard line, deep in enemy territory. A time out has been called and we have about 2 minutes left in the game. We are muddy, bloody, sore and bruised, but we are focused as we belive that we can win the game! We go back to our huddle, arms linked together in fellowship. We listen as the quarterback clears his throat, and we are expecting him to call the play. Instead, this is what he says. I have a big date tonight with the head cheerleader, and we’re going to get burgers and then see a movie. The team stands up and looks at the quarter-back in disbelief. What are you talking about? They shout at him. They are angry and rightfully so as the quarter-back has lost his focus and his mind is not on the game.

Now, while this might seem like a simple analogy and I admit it is, it does provide what I hope is clarification of the whole rapture debate. We should be concerned about destroying the works of the devil. We should be shouting a warning that a time is coming upon the earth that is unprecedented. We should be declaring the good news. We should be calling out and exposing the lies and deception of the enemy, who is seducing our children, killing the unborn and spreading a false gospel. We should be standing up against the crazy world system that celebrates Lady Ga-Ga and a lip-locked Brittany and Madonna. We should be declaring that Darwinism is a theory and not a fact. That Jesus was real and not a myth. That this is still a Christian nation in spite of what our clueless president would have us believe. In short we need to keep our eyes on the game, and not argue about when it’s over!

In closing today’s post. I know that at some point I will hear the trumpet and at that moment, in a twinkling of an eye, I will put on immortality. However, I’m in a cosmic “game” and it’s not over until that trumpet blows. It’s not for me to know when we get snatched away, as is so evident by all the infighting it produces. The fruit of that is division. If we are intellectually honest, no one really knows. So let’s keep our eyes, where they belong. Let’s stay in the fight. Let’s dig in and win!

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In Other News:

U.S. Alarmed by Harsh Tone of China’s Military

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/12/world/asia/12beijing.html?_r=3&hp

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China currency reserves may hit $2.5 trillion, stoke tensions

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international-business/China-currency-reserves-may-hit-25-trillion-stoke-tensions/articleshow/6733029.cms

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International finance group seeks remedy to looming exchange wars

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=213953

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113 Responses to “Rapture: Keep Our Eyes on the GAME!”

  1. Ken said

    Lynn, Thank you for a great message! Timely and needed! So onward and upward we go.

    God Bless you!

    Ken

  2. Barbara said

    Lynn: All I can say to this post is a big AMEN! Thanks for all you do–God bless you and your family.

    Maranatha, Barbara in VA

  3. ontheporcha512 said

    When we went through those 4 hurricanes in one summer back in 2004 we heard the expression “hunker down” a lot. For someone raised in NYC it wasn’t a familiar term but you learn real quick to “hunker down” in a raging storm. So, I guess the best impression I get from your article is that instead of celebrating the ticket out of here we should hunker down and do the work of being about our Father’s business. What business? Destroying the works of the devil by getting people saved, healed and delivered.
    Hunkered Down In Orlando,
    Richard

  4. Mario said

    Amen Brother! Great pep post!

    Did you quote Brett Favre? Just kidding, Go Bears!

  5. Rose from Kentucky said

    Human body parts are washing up on beach in Florida:

    http://dprogram.net/2010/10/11/censored-gulf-news-human-body-parts-washed-up-covered-up-video/

    • sawyer said

      I don’t have time to check out all the stories that are around. Do you think this is a legit story and is there an explanation of why?

  6. Margaret said

    NUKU’ALOFA, TONGA (BNO NEWS) — A strong earthquake struck off the Pacific island nation of Tonga on early Wednesday morning, seismologists said, but no damage or casualties were expected.

    The 6.1-magnitude earthquake at 1.02 a.m. local time (1202 GMT) was centered about 150 kilometers (90 miles) east-northeast of Nuku’alofa, the capital of Tonga. It struck about 9.9 kilometers (6.2 miles) deep, making it a shallow earthquake, according to the United States Geological Survey (USGS).

    The agency estimated that approximately 7,000 people may have felt moderate earthquake shaking, which could potentially result in very light or light structure damage. “There is a low likelihood of casualties and damage,” it added.

    http://channel6newsonline.com/2010/10/strong-earthquake-hits-off-tonga-no-damage-expected/

  7. Frank said

    Well said. Prepare for persecution and a difficult race. God will be there whether He spares us from suffering or allows us to endure it. Remember in james, suffering hleps refine your faith.

    God will call us on His time, not ours

  8. Stacy Harp said

    Hi L.A.,

    First I have to say that I just found out about you a few weeks ago. I bought your book Politics, Prophecy and the Supernatural and am really enjoying it. I would love to have you on my radio program sometime in November or December if you have time in your schedule. You can learn more about that at my website that is linked.

    But about today’s post – VERY cool vision you had, and it’s funny because I always pictured that there would be space between all of us during the rapture also. Anyway, I wholeheartedly agree with your call to action though, great analogy. ;)

  9. Late Night Lisa said

    Super Post L.A.! The Lord gives us a view of His plans but its still dimly lit.

    Your rapture dream for example. Some really neat details were included but information
    which would give you clues to the timing were absent. Obviously God does not want to remove our blessed hope but as you stated we need to press on in the work of the Lord.

    Sheep seem to be very easily distracted, don’t We? Lol!

  10. Godzdawg said

    thank you, LA
    some are debating harpazo when it might not actually concern them…know ye not that this day your life is required of you? ….
    as for your dream, my friend, i concur 100%

    “We weren’t packed like sardines! Everyone knew exactly what had happened. There was a holy silence, a still reverence, as we all knew where we were! Then, I realized that my sin nature was gone. It wasn’t there anymore. I had been changed in an instant. Then the vision ended. All of this took place in less than a minute”

    this describes the the second emotion i had during my N.D.E., i have read ‘how to enrich your word power’ for the last 30 years and i still feel at a loss for words to describe the “Peace that passes all understanding” that Jesus promised in John 14:27.

    in my honest opinion, sir, the son of perdition being a master at deception, we need to focus more on what the Holy Spirit is doing in the body than what ole slewfoot is doing to drive us apart.

    Jesus said, “the kingdom of God is within you”…Now, not later

    it is my prayer that all saints of the Most High would partake in the baptism of fire , be filled with the Holy Spirit and jump into the harvest ~ selah

    i love you
    robert

    • Joe.b said

      What do you mean by it might not actually concern them?

    • Godzdawg said

      if you were called from Heaven today all the devotion concerning the rapture would instantly become null and void…your time has come, it happens so quick…please, be prepared to meet the King of Kings, right now and from hence forward…each day God withholds judgement is a blessing

    • Joe.b said

      Your absolutely right. I’m
      Just trying to
      Point out a hard core belief of a pee
      Trib rapture could be really harmful to
      New
      Christians especially if they didn’t get Wisked away. If we are called up before the tribulation everyone on both sides wins. But
      If we don’t many could lose.

  11. Reminds me a bit of this:

    “Share in suffering as a good soldier of Christ Jesus. No soldier gets entangled in civilian pursuits, since his aim is to please the one who enlisted him. An athlete is not crowned unless he competes according to the rules. It is the hard-working farmer who ought to have the first share of the crops. Think over what I say, for the Lord will give you understanding in everything. ” (2 Timothy 2:3–7, ESV)

  12. Margaret said

    Conway, Arkansas
    A magnitude 4.0 earthquake shook residents of Conway, Arkansas awake this morning at approximately 8:33 AM local time.
    This was one of 45 earthquakes on record for the region since last Wednesday, October 6, 2010 Wednesday, all of them minor.

    Arkansas Earthquake Swarm Jolts Residents
    The 4.0 magnitude quake that struck Guy, Arkansas this morning was one of three quakes within three miles of Guy. The wave of temblors has residents quite concerned and the USGS said they are investigating. The swarm began last Wednesday on October 6, 2010 and so far there’s not been any serious injuries or damage reported.

    Today’s quake had a depth of 3.1 miles and was 40 miles N of Little Rock.
    Shelia Maxwell of the Faulkner County Office of Emergency Management said “We’re having them in places we’ve never had them before.The USGS is looking into why we’re having them and why there have been so many.”
    http://law.rightpundits.com/?p=2343

  13. Sandie said

    “We should be calling out and exposing the lies and deception of the enemy,…”

    Blasphemous words from the Vatican don’t count? All the wealthy televangelists spreading the same “feel-good” message doesn’t arouse any suspicions?

    I don’t worry about when it is going to happen,but I do care if people are being strung along on a cloud of false hope. It goes without saying,we should all be prepared for the worst,and pray for the courage to endure whatever comes.

    Just because Lynn had a “dream” doesn’t do anything for me,nor does the “Let’s just all be nice and get along and stop being divisive” message,which is so lukewarm,I think the Pope would give it his stamp of approval.

    And while this is a nation with Christians in it,it is not a “Christian” nation,if you study the foundations laid out in our capitol and their connection to Rome. Tom Horn has spelled it all out in “Apollyon Rising 2012″. We are one nation under Satan. Just consider our Luciferian,Bohemian Grove frollicking leaders,all kissing the ring of the Pope. Anyone underestimating the influence of the Jesuits is overlooking some serious stuff!

    I don’t think anyone who visits this site doesn’t believe that Jesus died for our sins,or that “UFOs are real,burgeoning,and not going away”,or that we have an evil world system. I spend alot of time trying to reach non-believers with those basics right there. I don’t expect new Christians to go straight from milk to meat in a day,but I had hoped there’d be a more receptive audience here for some solid truth,the kind Martin Luther wouldn’t have been afraid to address.

    Guess I was wrong! It’s too “divisive”.

    Well,good thing I never needed to be a part of the crowd.

    Your sister,in Christ,
    Sandie

    • Joe.b said

      Right. I think the point everyone was trying to make is you need to be prepared in case there isnt a pre-trib rapture so your faith isnt crushed because what you believed might not have been the truth.

      I would be willing to bet if most people thought they weren’t gonna get to escape the hard times to come they wouldn’t be so anxious for it to get here.

    • I have a very different attitude about this whole thing. I am in no hurry to leave, regardless of how difficult things get, because we can not do God’s will unless we are in the fight.

      Cool quote by CT Studd:
      Let us not glide through this world and then slip quietly into heaven, without having blown the trumpet loud and long for our Redeemer, Jesus Christ. Let us see to it that the devil will hold a thanksgiving service in hell, when he gets the news of our departure from the field of battle.

    • Joe.b said

      I’m not in that big of a hurry to leave either. I want to see grandchildren etc but I’ve heard alot of people talking about they cant wait for the lords return to the point of they are giving up on their lives and going into autopilot mode waiting on it, or death.

    • Sandie said

      Personally,if it happened tomorrow,it wouldn’t be too soon for me,but we need to remember the Lord is waiting for all those who will come to Him and be saved,and it is our privaledge,as well as our duty,to reach as many as possible now while we can,wherever His Spirit leads us.

    • Bozz said

      Sandie what is your view on the end time events? I am curious. Can you please reply? I agree with you, Ephesians 5:11 it is. I replied to one of your posts in the previous post of Dr. Marzulli.

      All of you who believe a pre-trib rapture, this is not an attack on you or something, this is just a discussion.I believe in a harpazo, the blessed hope. It`s just that the last trumpet thing gets in the way and a lot of other verses and I doubt about the pre-trib view plus very fascinated with prophecy is all. This also a part of the game.

      I love you all in Yahushuah/Jesus name.

    • Sandie said

      I’d have to think about that fractal idea,but I think it’d wind up making my head spin! I do believe in history repeating itself,and what you bring up is worth thinking about!

      Something else about the Tribulation to think about,from John 17:15
      “I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.”

      Psalm 91:10
      “There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.”
      (All of Psalm 91 is encouraging in that respect!)

      God does have a sense of divine repetition,as with the delivery of the children of Israel before they were delivered from Egypt. Plagues all around and death right outside the door,yet they were protected by the Blood of the Lamb. They weren’t delivered from it,but through it!

      And like Noah wasn’t delivered from the flood,he was delivered through the flood!

      Same as with Sodom and Gommorah,Lot escaped the destruction,with divine intervention!

      We know He will be with us until the very end,because He has promised,so we don’t need to be afraid.

      My husband just made an excellent comment…He said that all those non-Christians are going to think that there will be a second chance,after they witness the “rapture”,giving them false hope as well,thinking there is no point in getting ready now,that there’ll be time to think about it later!

      I hadn’t thought of that before!

      My thoughts on the end-times are clearly,one-world government,one-world religion,one-world currency,and a leader who will step up to rule over all,who will be the antichrist. Will he be the Pope or will the church be destroyed and someone else rise up from the church system,I don’t know,but I know as we go along things will get clearer and He will reveal the truth to His children.

      Thank you for appreciating the nature of the discussion.

      One thing for sure,boxers,for instance,always study their opponent’s moves so they can be aware of what to watch out for. When we understand the nature of the beast,it’s methods,motives,and opportunities,we can see the results practically before they happen! (Of course,we already know what to expect,since it was all written down!) It just brings it all into so much more focus.

    • Sandie said

      Bozz,you might find this interesting…

      “…After the 1260 years, the beast will be mortally wounded.

      Revelation 13:3, “And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death…”
      Revelation 13:10, “He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword.”

      The prophecy is telling us that the beast would be destroyed with the sword (sword = military in this instance) at the end of its reign of exactly 1260 years of killing Christians. We just learned by the previous prophecy that this did in fact occur. But to further illustrate the fact that the prophecy also said the beast must go into captivity and die there, we find that history does tell us that the pope was removed from the Vatican, was placed in exile, and then died.

      Pope dies: August 1799:
      Fact: Documented Roman Catholic source states -“Half Europe thought… that with the Pope the Papacy was dead.” -Joseph Rickaby “The Modern Papacy” Lectures on the History of Religion, Lecture 24, (London Catholic Truth Society, 1910), p.1

      Again, this happened Exactly 42 prophetic months, or 1260 years, or a time, and time, and dividing a time after the Papacy began its powerful reign as a “woman on a beast” that the Pope did finally “…go into captivity” by the military of that day, and later did in fact die because of the actions brought forth by the “sword” or military strength of Napoleon.

      Antichrist receives “deadly wound” that later heals.

      Revelation 13:3, “And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.”

      As we just saw, the “deadly wound” was given to the Papacy by Napoleon in 1798. The Vatican still continued as a church however. But she was completely stripped of her civil and political power just as the prophecy declared. Then, suddenly in 1929, we see the Italian government recognizing Vatican City once again as an independent state. This political move once again made the Pope a religio-political power! Just as prophecy said, the mortal wound that was administered in 1798 by Napoleon was supposed to be healed. Notice how the newspapers of that day actually used prophetic language without realizing it..

      Mussolini and (Cardinal) Gasspari sign historic Roman pact.
      “The Roman question tonight was a thing of the past, and the Vatican was at peace with Italy… In affixing the autographs to the memorable document healing the wound of many years, extreme cordiality was displayed on both sides” -The San Francisco Chronicle. Feb. 11, 1929

      http://www.remnantofgod.org/666-CHAR.htm#3

      (And about my previous post,I should have said,”so we can know where to expect the attacks from” instead of “see the results before they happen”. Minor detail!)

    • richard said

      Bozz I know your stuck on the 7th trumpet. Check out this two part series.
      Grant Jefferey “Rapture vs Second Coming”

    • Sandie said

      And for a different viewpoint,google “Chuck Missler false prophet” and see what you want to believe.

    • richard said

      I didnt find your “Chuck Missler on False Prophet”. However I did find “Chuck Missler on the Rapture” After watching all 12 videos I find Chuck to be right inline with Grant Jeffrey? Can you be more specific as to what you concern is?

    • Sandie said

      No,I was referring to Chuck Missler AS a false prophet. And no,I won’t go into detail about what I think aside from that,but leave it up for others to decide what they want to believe. They can read about him themselves if they are led to do so.

      Sometimes it’s helpful to investigate things starting with a premise of something and then using the process of elimination. Be suspicious,ask questions,root out the things that don’t add up,weigh all the evidence. Look at associations. Do they fit in with the whole “word-faith”,ecumenicism of the day? Is their church in line with Rome?(Most all are.)

      People need to ask these questions,in my opinion. It’s a fact that only individuals can make up their minds and need to study for themselves,praying for God’s guidance to teach all things.

    • Actually Sandie he has that in reverse. The rapture will be giving humanity a last chance to accept Jesus before his final coming. IT is the whole reason for doing it in my opinion. God wants us all there with him, I do not understand why everyone is so prideful thinking that only they are the chosen. We are all Gods chosend it is just that free will keeps getting in the way, man’s sinful nature, etc.. If you were an athiest is seeing God’s people called through the air going to do more to turn you toward God knowing you have one last chance to come to him, or is it seeing them called up and knowing your forever damned which would make you hate GOD all the more… PLease think some of your statements through guys and remember Gods all merciful love. Is there going to be some righteous wrath cast upon the world? YES yes yes and yes and amen. It pains my soul that so many die for Jesus daily and no one ever learns their names, but what hurts the most are those that were slain by evil men before they had a chance to come to our Lord and Savior. God Bless you ALL!

    • richard said

      Sandie I dont get it? You’ve spent your time commenting on 17 various peoples comments? Taking them apart most of the time. I’ve gone to Chuck Missler and I can not find what you are talking about? If you have commented 17 times you obviouslty have a point you want to get acrsoss? Please what is it?

      I dont want to debate you but I do find it disrespectful at this point that you would comment on 17 others without telling us your perspective?

      The only point you have made is that their may be something “false” or “delusion” coming out of rome? I think most of us would agree with you to some perspective that rome may a harbinger for the “antichrist” or other possible “demonic beings.”

    • Bozz said

      Thanks for the link Richard. I will check it out. I am also stuck on the restrainer (my view is it is Archangel Michael and not the Holy Spirit) and in one of the previous posts someone has posted a link to a fine study on this.

      Thanks for clarifying your view Sandie. As someone who has watched a lot of Chuck Missler lectures and still does, I don`t believe he is a false teacher. I for example don`t agree with the pre-trib rapture that he teaches but everytime he mentions it he also mentions other views, so it is really for the viewer to decide. I agree with him on a lot of other things. His lectures are very insightful and his ministry in my opinion is doing a great work for truth seekers in these last days. I think Chuck is doing a valiant effort on informing people as to what is going on and in everyone of his lectures he says “DON`T BELIEVE ME AND OTHER PREACHERS, GO TO THE WORD OF GOD AND STUDY FOR YOURSELF.” I see him as someone who sincerely teaches what he believes but he like us will never have a 100% insight on everything in the bible, till we he and us will be with The Most High. Chuck was one of the persons responsible through whom The Holy Spirit sobered me that I started to study the Word of God.

      I will check the links on google that claim he is a false teacher. After quickly reading the first link I got the feeling the author of that article would do a better work if he would check 100% all of his work. Because I watched a lot of his videos and I know what his response would be on some of those accusations.

      For example Chuck talks about the antichrist. The author of the article claims that Chuck says that the antichrist will be Roman. What Chuck said in his antichrist lecture is, the antichrist is assyrian. he emphasises the fact that the Rome had two legs (the western and eastern empire when it broke up) and then he cites verses from the OT where the assyrian is being mentioned. Chuck therefore believes the antichrist will be of middle-eastern origin from the area of the empire that is no more: Assyria (todays parts of Syria and Iraq,…). So from this I see the accuser on that site didn`t do a very good research into what Chuck Missler really knows and believes. If you want to accuse someone of something, check him out 100% before you do the accusation part.

      He also talks about the sabbath, Israel,…

      I think Chuck Missler is a sincere teacher but where people see falseness in his teachings is the fact that he is a human being with a limited insight (we do live in a world where truth is suppressed) and does not really know everything a 100%, he always presents his view, not a 100% doctrine and always admonishes viewers to study for themselves. He points out where the word of God condemns people if they add or subtract something from the Bible and off-course the famous Acts 17:11. So it is on us to study for ourselves, we all have the access to the Holy Spirit.

      In short: Chuck Missler is OK and without him we would not be alerted to some very important issues from a Biblical point of view.

    • richard said

      Bozz if your curious check out Billy Graham Evangelical Association “Decision Magazines” Prepairing for his Return. There are 20 or so great articles. Its good stuff.

      http://www.billygraham.org/articlepage.asp?ArticleID=1603

  14. timothy said

    I saw an earlier post of Youtube series of Stan Johnson’s talk on the rapture subject. I posted the whole video to Google a few years ago. I’ve gotten into a few arguments with fellow believers not liking that fact that i tell them were not going anywhere till the end of it all. It’s ok that they don’t like me right now cause someday maybe they wont be so mad at their pastor and less like kill them for lying to them and it will make sense why i said the things i said.

    For me it’s pretty straight forward theres two resurrections according to revelation 20. The first is at the start of the millennium the second is at the end. Can’t be resurrected during the tribulation without creating a conflict in scriptures and God’s word does not conflict itself. You can be resurrected though after it and not have reconcile scripture.

    http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=6533812121868615652&hl=en&fs=true

  15. Thanks for the reminder L.A. Much needed admonition. I receive the reality check. Blessings.

    Kevin J.

  16. Great message. I find the same things going in debates about the King James Version vs. the newer translations.

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  18. DavidBmusic said

    Thank you L.A. for staying abreast of what’s taking place in the global economy.

    It appears that they’re getting ready to unleash the global economic meltdown very soon in order to get the masses to cry out for a unified global currency.

    Also, very interesting with China. I have no doubt as their economy is on the rise while our’s is in decline, that they see a very good opportunity to gain naval superiority of the entire Pacific. They certainly have the military might to do so. Now all they need are the right factors to justify a military conflict.

    With President B.O. in office, the world sees the U.S. as being very weak.

    I personally cannot wait to see Yeshua’s Kingdom in control! His One World Order supercedes any kingdom of man or the fallen ones on any day!

    Shalom

  19. john b said

    Yep freedom of choice! People will believe what they like to believe.

    The fact that there are so many views and opinions and such conflict reveals the doctrine of Men!

    why can’t we just accept the biblical truth that the “catching away” Happens in the (Day of the lord)
    Both Thessalonian Letters concern that Day.

    That is where I stand; Awaiting the heavens to disappear revealing the King of Glory with His angelic hosts to gather us from the four winds unto Him.. It is that simple Really. whilst we rejoice at this appearing, the tribes of the earth will mourn at the sight of him. Every one will Know and every Knee shall bow at the presence of his Magesty.

    John b

    • Joe.b said

      Amen to that.

    • Sandie said

      Sounds good to me,just so long as no one gets their hopes up too high and then lose faith if they aren’t spared.

      Expect the worst,hope for the best,and trust the Lord for His perfect will to be done!

    • We need an attitude of fight fight fight. Why do people have such an impatience to escape? God will save us, but we need to battle the forces of evil why we are here, regardless of how tough things get. Our brethren were jailed, beaten and killed and still they refused to not witness for Jesus!! This is where our church revival will come from. Knowing the Jesus died for us, so the least we can do is stand up and speak boldly and clearly.

      CT Studd:
      Let us not glide through this world and then slip quietly into heaven, without having blown the trumpet loud and long for our Redeemer, Jesus Christ. Let us see to it that the devil will hold a thanksgiving service in hell, when he gets the news of our departure from the field of battle.

  20. Corinne in Florida said

    Amen to L.A.’s blog for today. I was noticing all the debate over the pre/post trib thing. Thanks for interjecting the reality of what’s really going on. Now is not the time to be arguing over extraneous Biblical theories. Let’s get down to the Lord’s business of what’s going on now. We’ll all discover the truth of it all later.

  21. Frank said

    enjoy

    http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/2009/08/05/macho-man-putins-fight-stay-fit

  22. Frank said

    and let’s not forget our brethren. they aren’t getting a rapture yet

    http://www.persecution.com/public/newsroom.aspx?clickfrom=bWFpbl9tZW51

    and if anyone deserves one it’s them. They will be assured a great place in the kingdom for enduring.

    • Sandie said

      I agree. May God give them strength and comfort and the joy of knowing they will be with Him soon,and being given those “white robes”!

      Some of us certainly will be killed…as it says in Revelation 6:11,

      “And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they [were], should be fulfilled.”

  23. Late Night Lisa said

    My prayer for today after reading several comments: “Lord, please keep my mind in a frame of humility. To consider others more highly than myself. Help me to approach Your throne of Grace w/a childlike wonder – obeying Your word over my natural reaction to unsavory accusations. If there is error in my thinking I have faith that You alone will resolve any issues within me for You have promised to teach us all truth through the power of the Holy Spirit. Therefore I will not worry about the precepts of man but rather in humility listen for Your voice & direction as I will continue to follow You all of my days. In the name of our mighty King & Lord, Jesus, AMEN.”

    By the way- did anyone get a chance to listen to this sermon yet? Wondering what you thought of it as it ties into many of the current news links.

    Revival is Coming and What It Will Look Like ,By Carter Conlon

    http://www.tscnyc.org/media_center.php?pg=sermons

    • Dutchess said

      Thank you, LNL. I concur and join you in that prayer. Job 34:32…Lord, teach me what I cannot see. From the day I prayed this…I have been on a journey of discovering truth….God’s way.

    • Mary said

      LNL, our LORD took me to this in the morning during my Bible study. :)

      8When thou art bidden of any man to a wedding, sit not down in the highest room; lest a more honourable man than thou be bidden of him;

      9And he that bade thee and him come and say to thee, Give this man place; and thou begin with shame to take the lowest room.

      10But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee.

      11For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

      In His Precious Name,
      mary
      xox

    • Mary said

      Ooops, Luke 14: 8-11

      In His Precious Name,
      mary
      xox

    • James said

      A nice reminder. I’m obviously not LNL, but it’s a nice reminder for me, thank you.

    • Sandie said

      I just finished listening to the sermon. The message of God pouring out His Spirit in these last days resonated with me very much,because two years ago I had what could only be described as a “religious experience” myself!

      It took place over about a three month period,and I have to say,I cried more than all the tears I think I ever cried before. These were tears for the lost who will face destruction if they don’t know the Lord. These were tears for the darkness that has taken over the hearts and minds of the unsaved.
      These were tears for the shortness of time left.

      God was moving in me in ways He never had before. Now,for a year or so before this,I had been praying to God,asking Him to use me as a “conduit”,because it seemed like that was what was taking place in my life anyway,but I hadn’t given it the spiritual importance I could have. It just seemed to be more of a coincidence,that at so many times I had been able to help people out in specific ways that seemed divinely inspired somehow,like just happening to be at the right place at the right time!

      I was increasingly disatisfied with my life,which had become more of a meaningless “chasing after the wind”,with it’s good points,nonetheless,but something just kept nagging at me,and I prayed harder than ever for Him to make His purpose for me known,to point me in the direction He wanted me to go.

      To try to make a long story short,my worldly ambitions at the time fell through and landed me in a place I never thought I’d be. But lo and behold,at that same time I met the man who is now my husband,and through my “experience”,he was brought back to the Lord,and together,we redevoted our lives to God,and things have never been the same!

      I began witnessing with a zeal like never before,not even back in the day when I was born-again at 16! I was never “pushy” about it before,never went out of my way to seek people out to talk to the Lord about. I had become a pretty easy-going Christian,knowing it took a lot of roads to go down before I finally got on the right one,and it wasn’t a concern of mine if people were on their own path,because I always believed there’s be time in their lives to eventually get there,if they were going to. I just lived a peaceful life,loving my neighbor as myself,etc,etc,…never speaking up against certain lifestlye choices,never urging people to be reconciled to God and repent. I figured there would be time for that down the road!

      But the Lord told me the time was getting short,and I felt it then and even more so now,we need to reach out to others and tell them also. Point to prophecies being fulfilled right before our eyes,and showing them the certainty of the Lord saying something and bringing it to pass.

      The hardest part is convincing them that they have been lied to. Some don’t want to believe there is a real “Satan”. They don’t want to be told they can’t trust their nightly news. They each want to believe it’s okay for them to have their own truth,if it “feels right”,even if those beliefs include things like reincarnation or just “belief in God” is enough. The Bible says we must be born-again.

      I explain that this “gloom and doom” I talk about is easier to accept in the context of prophecy,and the good news is that Jesus is coming back! But without that hope and assurance from above,it is just too hard for people to accept that the old ways of life,aka “the American Dream”,are quickly coming to an end,never to return. And you know what,I haven’t seen any immediate results at all,among family or friends,not at this time anyway,but I keep planting those seeds,so that when these things do come to pass,and time goes on,maybe they will remember about hearing what to do to be saved,how to call out to the Lord in prayer and repentance,how to ask for the grace to have faith to believe,and how to recognize God’s providence in all things.

      Before two years ago,I never would have been communicating anything to anyone on a computer. I didn’t even use one or have one of my own up until then! There have been two sites besides this one that I have written on extensively,and it’s not like preaching to the choir either! God has me out there among the wolves,and I am hoping the message has stuck in more than a few people’s minds,even if they don’t comment at the time.

      …”in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world”…This is what He has called us to be! Praise God!

      Thanks again for that link that may prove to be a valuable resource for inspiration,by the way!

  24. Joe.b said

    There are alot of issues that divide Christians other than the rapture. Women in leadership, homosexuality, end time prophecies the list could go on and on.

    You can handle it like mega churches and say “ok ok everyone is right let’s focus on ____”. But it still dosent make the point or argument null and void. If you grow up in the church with your heart and mind set in false teachings and assumptions then you will get burned eventually.

    But what really makes a “watchman” or a servant of Christ is teaching, sharing and warning. You can take bits and pieces from the bible and twist it into saying you want it to.
    I can’t speak for anyone else but the reason I was speaking about the rapture possibly not being true is because that has a potential to
    Be devastating to Christians. The bible warns us of the persecutions we will face but if were taken away we won’t face them right? So
    Why warn us. And if it does happen it’s no bug deal. Both sides win.

    There is much info from the bible pointing to no pre-trib rapture and John B. And sandie have done a good job laying it out. Alot of the people disagreeing didn’t lay the info out so well. Someone even said “it wasn’t worth explaining”. I don’t think that’s a christian attitude to take against someone that seems to be trying to
    Help and educate but I digress.

    The Lord never rolled over and dropped a subject because he didn’t want to cause diversity or hurt anyones feelings. I don’t want to hurt anyones feelings but I’m not going to tell someone that they won’t face the tribulations when i don’t know that. That could be like telling them exactly what’s going to happen at the great deception because we don’t know that either. Both can be very harming.

    • I think there is too much talk about rapture and not nearly enough about repentance. Without a repentant heart, it doesn’t matter when the rapture is. With a repentant and contrite heart, the subsequent baptism of the Holy Spirit will sustain us through any tribulations that may be required to fulfill God’s will on Earth.

    • Joe.b said

      You are right. There is too much talk about alot of things other than a repentance IMO.

    • amen hopeful watcher amen brother. You hit the nail on the head with that one. While I cannot understand why everyone doubts the words of Jesus on the rapture, the days of noah and other things, I simply hope we all realize we must look to our own salvation with much fear and trembling!

    • Joe.b said

      I don’t doubt anything Jesus said that’s why I’ve been repeating myself on the dangers of this subject. You should watch gordys video posting and read the versus he posted

    • Cheryl said

      So many Christians around the world have already been tortured, persecuted and murdered for the Word’s sake and experienced hardships due to famine, pestilence, etc. Sometimes I think the tribulation can’t get worse than all that. We Westerners have been spared of all that so far and many have been lulled to sleep by entertainment, the love of money and pleasures…Let’s wake up and do the Lord’s bidding and be prepared for the worst and remember our Blessed Hope.

    • john b said

      Amen.

      John b

  25. Maureen said

    Does the following clarify things for some?

    What is Your Hope?

    1. Is it being seated with Christ in Heavenly Places, far above all heavens?
    ( Eph. 2:4-6, Col. 3:3-4)

    2. Is it meeting with Him in the air, then returning to earth to judge the world?
    (Heavenly City, 1 Thess. 4:17, 1 Cor. 6:2)

    3. Is it to welcome His return as King at the Mount of Olives upon the earth,
    (Zech. 14:4-5).

    Rest of article here:
    http://bibleunderstanding.com/calling2.htm

    Blessings,
    Maureen

  26. Gordy said

    News Alert – In The News

    http://www.understandthetimes.org/inthenews/267_mna.shtml

    August 15 – The Rumsfeld Plague: Aspartame Brings Horror (Opinion)
    Article: Misc.

    The aspartame horror began in 1981 due to Donald Rumsfeld, as head of the G.D. Searle pharmaceutical company, when he used his political clout to put a known carcinogen on the market to poison a nation all in the name of money.

    If Donald Rumsfeld had never been born think of how many millions of people the world over would not suffer headaches and dizziness. Thousands blind from the free methyl alcohol in aspartame would have sight, and there would be much fewer cases of optic neuritis and macular degeneration. Millions suffering seizures would live normal lives and wouldn`t be taking anti-seizure medication that won`t work because aspartame interacts with drugs and vaccines. Think of the runner, Flo Jo, who drank Diet Coke and died of a grand mal seizure. She, no doubt, would still be alive. Brain fog and memory loss, skyrocketing symptoms of aspartame disease, would not be epidemic.

    Consider the constant plague of fallen athletes. Aspartame triggers an irregular heart rhythm and interacts with all cardiac medication. It damages the cardiac conduction system and causes sudden death. Thousands of athletes have fallen. Doctors H.J. Roberts and Russell Blaylock wrote these alerts:
    http://www.wnho.net/aspartame msg scd.htm
    and
    http://www.wnho.net/aspartame and arrhythmias.htm

    As the phenylalanine in aspartame deletes serotonin, it triggers all kinds of psychiatric and behavioral problems.

    For over a quarter of a century there has been mass poisoning of the public in over 100 countries of the world by aspartame because Donald Rumsfeld, as he put it, “called in his markers”. The aspartame industry has paid front groups and professional organizations to defend them and push it on the very people it can cause the most harm to.

    The hands of physicians are tied. Most are clueless that a patient is using aspartame, and the drugs used to treat the aspartame problem will probably interact and may even contain aspartame. This is the world that Donald Rumsfeld is responsible for!
    Read Full Article …..
    …..

    Also for further documentation and evidence watch:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VyC-5Cx9gg&feature=related

    • Sandie said

      “Aspartame has been renamed and is now being marketed as a natural sweetener”
      http://www.naturalnews.com/028151_aspartame_sweeteners.html

      Now to be called “AminoSweet”.

      Like High Fructose Corn Syrup is to be called Corn Sugar!

      “Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!”
      Isaiah 5:20

  27. Gordy said

    Rapture at the 1st Resurrection

  28. Doug said

    So where is the “blessed hope”? What are the watchmen for?
    Is it waiting and watching for the falling away? Is it watching for the rise of Antichrist?
    What blessed hope do you have when you are chased by a world system and monsters with supernatural abilities and powers? What blessed hope when you see the seas turn to blood and a third of the grass and trees burn up? The millions and billions dieing all around you?
    What wrath are you saved from?

    Or maybe you are hidden away on earth somewhere while all this goes on?

    So then why are you repeatedly told to watch and pray? Matt. 24:42 That’s because we still don’t know when he will come.
    Matt 25:13 Watch because we don’t know the day nor the hour the Son of man cometh.
    Mark 13:35 Watch….because we don’t know whether he comes at evening, midnight or morning.
    “Coming suddenly and find you sleeping”
    Luke 21:34-36 “Take heed to yourselve, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with partying and drunkeness, the cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.” “Watch and pray always, that you may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass….

    This all sounds like a warning to people who are enjoying life(like now in 2010) rather than to a people who are running from the Antichrist Beast machine with Fallen Angels snatching them up to be beheaded. Or people who cannot buy nor sell without caveing in to wearing the Mark of the Beast.

    So…. my question, do you all think you will tough it out for 3+ or 7 years to be raptured as Christ decends to the Mount of Olives, or do you think God had hidden you away somewhere where the Dragon can’t find you?
    So well hidden that you can throw a party and get drunk because you know that He’s not coming for 2500 days or so? Since you know you are in the time of the Tribulation, you can relax until the Abomination of Desolation and then start counting the days until He returns.

    Logically, this does not make sense to me. Nowhere in these verses of imminency and warning does it say to look out for the Mark or be wary of Satan and the Antichrist, et’al. No, it says to watch for Him and His swift coming as the “thief in the night”

    It’s saying to stay awake for Him; stay sober as watchmen and not to fall asleep when the Bridgroom comes for His bride to take her away with Him.

    I see nothing wrond in warning of the imminence of Christ’s return. None of us are guaranteed the next breath anyway.

    • cowgirl4mylord said

      and the debate rages on!!! But I’m in your court Doug , That being said I have learned that you can not have a logical debate with some people , if you dont see every thing there way you are a deceieved moron, very Christ like… I love L.A but it is hard coming here when this stuff is going on, God please open our eyes to humble ourselves because like L.A has stated in all honesty NOBODY knows except for God himself.

    • amen brother, I think most are just too intellectually lazy even about their own salvation than to actually research it for themselves. I did so and I was formerly of the mid trib belief yet I was shown that I was doubting the words of Jesus himself and that was man’s folly since the beginning of time! Why continue man’s folly? Accept God and Jesus for who and what they are and stop trying to but limits upon them…And some think they are so holy.. lol o well. God bless you all.

  29. Gordy said

    Hi Doug,

    The blessed hope is the second coming of Christ and the resurrection. Christ gave the following outline of His coming. Is there another resurrection (rapture) before the tribulation of the last days? It would be nice if it is true. Scripture is the final authority for matters of faith and doctrine not tradition or personal revelations.

    Matt.24

    [1] And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
    [2] And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
    [3] And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
    [4] And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
    [5] For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
    [6] And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
    [7] For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
    [8] All these are the beginning of sorrows.
    [9] Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.
    [10] And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
    [11] And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
    [12] And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
    [13] But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
    [14] And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
    [15] When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
    [16] Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
    [17] Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
    [18] Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
    [19] And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
    [20] But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
    [21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
    [22] And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.
    [23] Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
    [24] For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
    [25] Behold, I have told you before.
    [26] Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
    [27] For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
    [28] For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
    [29] Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
    [30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
    [31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

    • sawyer said

      This will blow your mind concerning Jesus:

    • john b said

      SawYer; Who is Jesus Christ of Nazareth To you?

      would you please answer the Question?

      john B

    • Late Night Lisa said

      That was the most mixed up mumbo jumbo I have ever read. Even the Illuminati & channeled aliens/demons have more logic & rational reasoning in their Luciferic presentations.

      My best description of this is that it’s a smorgasbord of ideals/philosophies taken from a variety of false religions all wrapped into one.

      I wouldn’t even attempt to dissect this because it would take me hours of research time to point out which aspect of Ti & Do’s theology origionated from which seducing spirit.

      Biblical Christainity is simple-even a child can understand it’s basic precepts.

      When Ti & Do let you down – just turn to the origional Jesus Christ of the Bible. You will still have supernatural communication & experiences but with the right source of power.

      But instead of going within yourself to find it you’ll have to humble yourself & honesty want to see God for who He is.

      Hopefully that day will come for you Sawyer.

      You’re clearly onto some of the Luciferic agenda but at the same time you’re unknowingly wrapped up in another one. It origionates all from the same repackaged demonic sources.

      I already know my Holy God, have a relationship w Him, & have no desire to explore what Ti & Do have to offer. Call me close minded but I’m complete in what I already have & it’s Awesome beyond words. There is nothing to add.

      Apparently right now you’re happy w/Ti & Do but someday they will turn on you. And when they do – the real Lord will be right there waiting for you “if” you want to find Him.

    • sawyer said

      john B – Jesus of Nazareth is the NAME of a physical body and the geographic area in which that body was born according to The Father’s plan to bring the next phase in their multi phase plan of offering students potential membership in Their Kingdom.

      The project on the ground was headed by the Soul, whose name we don’t know as the body Jesus that He inhabited, incarnated into was not the first human suit of clothes he had operated, that is within this overall Kingdom of God plan that began with the Moses depiction of the Adam/Eve story.

      That soul whom we are calling Jesus became a member of the Kingdom of God long before that Adam/Eve story, perhaps even before the Earth itself was a planet, but did have his own origin at some point as all souls do, except we are not capable of understanding the origin of whoever was first.

      When that soul called Jesus exited that primitive human body, sometime after he was lifted up into whatever physical travel device existed inside of or behind that cloud, termed his Ascension, He returned to the Kingdom of God styled body he had before he came to the Earth to perform the task His Father assigned him.

      I know that because I know that the type of body members of the Kingdom of God have are far different than human. Paul in one of the Corinthians letters called them “celestial bodies” which doesn’t speak to their composition, though I have been given what I believe are more details about some of the body types members of the KIngdom of God occupy. To the Kingdom of God a body is equivilent to a suit of clothes. However they don’t just change willy nilly like humans do. They have the same general look, humanoid (created human in Their own likeness & image)

      Now the name Jesus meant “saviour” and you in particular wanted to know what his name meant to me.

      Well, like so many who grew up catholic and who watched those early movies like, “the greatest story ever told”, spartacus, the ten commandments, etc. Jesus to me was a hero and I wanted to be a hero like him. I told my mother I wanted to be a priest at 12 or so and we were only minimality active in the church so don’t know where that idea came from.

      I had lots of problems with the catholic ways and certainly went rebel in my late teens and explored most major religions.

      When my friends were stationed in Newport Rhode Island in the navy in 1970 my girlfriend and I would hitchhike to their apartment for their weekend parties. There was plenty of wildness but I recall often spending most of my time reading the gospels and trying to figure out what Jesus was saying.

      I was accused by a Jewish friend of thinking I was Jesus but it never at that time crossed my mind and the few times it did, I knew it was preposterous. By 19 I couldn’t fathom how Jesus could love everyone. Of course I later learned what the word love meant and how it could be applied to the way Jesus felt towards those in the human race.

      Myself with two friends used to take LSD and walk around barefoot with bibles. It was funny though as I don’t recall ever really talking about jesus with them or anyone else for that matter.

      One of those friend, another jewish one told me he had a dream. In it he saw me as an apostle. I thought he was high on drugs which he might have been but it was interesting in light of what I ended up doing with my life – became a jesus monk.

      I was never “born again” nor part of any christian group. One time when I was deported from Canada, as I tried to homestead in British Columbia when I was 20 but didn’t do it formally so was kicked out though I still don’t know why, my very old truck’s 3rd gear (in a 3 speed vehicle) blew out and I had $50 left and I with my girlfriend whom was born jewish but seemed to believe somewhat in jesus were seeking help and a fellow named Ted who was certainly a jesus freak took us in and we attended many meetings. I recall always debating things in the bible, seeing certain things as hypocritical (though later learned they were not). Ted fixed my truck and we left with $50 and I decided to head for the Oregon coast to try to find some fishing work. My family were fishers on Long Island, in NY where I was raised.

      Anyway, it was 1972 and there was every spiritual scene imaginable in Newport Oregon where I ended up hanging my hat for a while, though never satisfied and would hitchhike to LA or san diego often looking for what, I don’t really know. I couldn’t get really that interested in meditation though I tried nor bhagvad gita though I tried. I thought I wanted to be enlightened whatever that was but couldn’t bring myself to meditate on some indian guru’s face or find that much value in dancing with the sufi’s or hari krishnas whom I’d meet at airports and would have debates with.

      It seemed everywhere I went I fell into a debate and looking back it was always because someone was trying to convince me into believing in their faith. I’d listen. I’d read. I’d consider but nothing took my heart, that is until these Two people came to the town where I was building a tee pee styled house out of logs. waldport, oregon in 1975.

      I was coming out of a practice session with my band, an all nighter and saw this poster that said UFO’s, why they are here, where they are from, when they will leave. as a headline. Then it went on to say that Two individuals say they have come from the Evolutionary Level Above Human, a many membered kingdom in the literal heavens to share the formula for membership and that this information has already prompted a number of people to devout their entire attention to this “process” (that I later learned was an overcoming process). I remember saying to my girlfriend, I’ve got to see what this is about, at least to see what these people look like. It didn’t seem preposterous to me though I was in no way a ufo believer. I didn’t even know of roswell at that time. What struck me was that these two said they came from this outer space place as a curiosity but what struck the biggest chord was that some were giving their ALL to it.

      I was not unhappy really so I wasn’t looking for an escape. I wasn’t exactly naive about religious groups and new age things, nor was my life a wreck from drugs or alcohol and I’d been living on my own away from family for many years but it was clear that I was not satisfied. I was looking for more. In a sense my band was doing well considering.

      Anyway I went to the meeting and read a statement they put on each seat. About 200 people filled the small supper club and these two came out and sat down on chairs on the stage. There was nothing in their appearance that made them look any different than anyone else. They wore greenish/blue windbreakers and they both had a similar look. One was a woman and the other a man in their 40’s. She had the same haircut as he, short, a little over the ears on the sides with almost bangs in front. She didn’t wear any makeup I could tell. For perhaps a full minute they just sat there looking out over the audience. The the man began to talk and with the document it was revealed that they were saying that they were from the same family as Jesus here to reveal the same truths he bore with updates and as a fulfillment of prophecy of the rev 11 two witnesses. They said ufo’s were simply travel vehicles because members of this Level Above Human had physical bodies and that in the records they were seen as clouds of light or whirlwinds of fire or a pillar etc. ( I later learned that they didnt’ approve of use of the term ufo. They would have used spacecraft somehow.

      They said the formula to be a prospective candidate to become a member of this Level Above Human (which was above human in the same way human is above animal and animal is above plant and plant above mineral) was the same now as it was 2000 yrs ago, each person must walk out the door of their life and begin the overcoming process under the direction of an Older Member who already was a member of that Level Above Human. They said that religions though potential stepping stones were all distorted from their origin. They said that each new prospect to membership had to become everything jesus demonstrated to graduate into this Next Level. (It was next because Human wasn’t the highest form of life biologically nor spiritually). They said it was a very difficult undertaking and it can’t be done on your own. They said that it’s never done for you. The Older Members, who are genuinely parenting their children into adulthood show us how to overcome by doing it themselves in our physical presence. They compared the process of leaving the world behind literally, in terms of our roots to family and friends and careers, etc. to a catapillar who decides to spin a cocoon and through a metamorphic process a new creature evolves that circulates in a new environment. They said humans are built to be able to do something equivilent but one can’t stay in their human life and accomplish it.

      They said children can’t come with you, as this was an adult decision to which I recall a lady in the back shouting “you ought to be shot”.

      They later compared the Kingdom of Heaven/God to a rancher who goes into the wild and captures some wild horses and then offers each one training and those that respond favorably stay and the rest are let go back into the wild. (They didn’t teach out of the bible though we used it for reference material).

      Anyway, there’s a literal ton of words to say about all this. I recall going back to my town and telling people I felt like I sat in front of the equivalent of Jesus.

      It’s a long story but I was literally swept off my feet – in a real sense pulled away from my life. My girlfriend wanted to join as well knowing that once joined we’d cease being boy/girlfriend as sex was out, relationships were out. I gave away or sold my instruments as did some of my friends that joined though I stayed with them the longest – 19 years. In the first year they told 19 students they wern’t ready so sent them away from the group.

      Anyway, these two who at that time went by Bo and Peep(woman)(later Do and Ti respectively) became an international story because 27 people from that waldport meeting left their world behind over a 3 day period and in one case where two of my friends were making arrangements for their two young children to stay with their real dad, the police got wind of that and were told the kids were being abandoned, which also got the media involved. That and other things caught up with the group, known then as the UFO Cult and by october of 75 walter cronkite was announcing that the idenity of these mysterious two is now known as bonnie nettles and marshall applewhite from texas.

      We later learned that Do considered Ti his Older member or Heavenly Father which is interesting as the term father or greek pater means seedgiver and the nettles plant is different from most plants as it’s a seed projector – an artillary plant that spreads it’s seed by shooting it out rather than by wind or brushing against other plants or insects carrying it. Also note that a horse in the bible is often spoke of as a human so a white horse as in rev 6 having a rider named applewhite who was riding a caucasion(white) horse and one that he had purified, as about a year before applewhite and nettles met they began to cease their sexual lives and other human behaviors and hadn’t slipped back into such thereafter so were fairly pure in their emotions being given to their Older member (God).

      I knew this Marshall Applewhite was the same soul who was in the body named jesus and over the years it was proven to me hundreds of times in many, many, many ways yet I left HIM for reasons I only learned of 10 years after I left. Initially I left because, a long story, but I began breaking my celebacy of mind/body by entertaining sexual thoughts and masterbating which was a no no and reason for me to be let go away from the “classroom” they called our environment. But Do said as I wasn’t affecting anyone else, he’d help me work on it, but I seemed caught and couldnt’ get control again though I had really good control over my thoughts/lusts until then. So at one point Do was going to give me a new task, as I’d previous to that done many tasks with Do, to which for the first time I said, I couldn’t do it. So he asked me what I wanted to do, to which I said, “I guess I have to leave”. He then instructed my fellow students to not try to talk me out of leaving (not that they necessarily would have) and they gave me $600 and a plane ticket to where I wanted to go.

      In 1997 when they layed down their physical bodies out of love for their Older Member and His Father and the Kingdom of God, as Jesus did and said was part of the formula eventually (only for those that at first believed, then experienced time with an older member physically, to which they proved their loyalty by telling others about him and being hated for doing so til death, even to being killed by those who hated to hear anything that challenged their comfortable religious position and then into the third and final trimester in the overall process towards “spirit birth” (requiring to be literally born of flesh again to be then born of spirit). It’s not only a state of mind. Works, function, tasks, service are integral to joining the ranks of members of the kingdom of god. So for those few returned “saints” who all came with the clouds from the sky, via types of flying objects (but are not space aliens) laying down their human life was a natural leap of faith to take but the Older Member had to be with them to permit them to do so. All the years (24) Do spent with students was in part to help them know what needed to be overcome and how to form a bond with an older member and be sure this was what they wanted.

      These two were stopped for 3 days while in los vegas in 1976 when cronkite surfaced their vehicles names. Ti and Do said they felt like they would not be able to do any more as they would be arrested, but then they felt they needed to move ahead as planned (stand up again(resurrect) to the task at hand) which they did. I have a great deal more to say about all that.

      So though few can consider what I’ve said as potentially possible, you can’t say you weren’t given a chance. Ask God if this is so. Ask in your silence and then wait and watch and note how many reasons there will be to not believe but note how few thoughts will encourage you to read more about ti and do.(the song the 144,000 learn). They first came public in LA, the city of angels. Ti is the woman in rev 12. My video’s are filled with evidence.

      But in case it’s not clear. I’m just a student like you could be. You can ask Do yourself whatever you want and he will in some way respond, but he will never tell you what to do unless you ask him specifically and then he will always give you options.

      In 1997 though I didn’t want to be with them, but knew of their intention to exit and recognition that the lower forces weren’t going to take them out, what they were hoping for for a while. Anyway, I went to the media to tell of my experiences and did a bunch of shows but had a 6 month pregnant partner and no intention to become a disciple again, but then began having dreams, many of them, with Do , with Ti, with certain students and they were answering questions I had and such. And Ti showed me some spirits that were in my house and lots of things took place.

      The qualification to be “saved” this time around as it was with Jesus after his exit is to believe in Ti and Do and tell others about them and accept the ramifications, and by doing so Ti and Do and crew will take notice and know you mean business and want to continue in your schooling after the recycling.

      The tribulation is NOW. The raptures already happend when horse were captureed (caught away) from their lives as our human “horses” don’t really want to abide by someone else’s rules.

      Now the discarnates and space aliens will work like crazy to have people ignore or hate or go against this information about ti and do and their “coming” back as promised. I know it’s tough. It was actually tough for me to get acquainted to it. Hard to believe right. anyone would have taken me as a die hard cult brainwashed victim, yet I walked away and started a family and got a job and have been fine so how brainwashed am i. Well actually I have washed my brain somewhat but have a long way to go. It’s not about perfection. One doesn’t have to believe everything as some neat as a pin arrangement before being willing to look it over more and then to even talk about it. Yes you will be called crazy and worse, some may try to stop you from sharing. We do need to be careful but hiding the light under a bushel is not the task you are being offered.

    • Mary said

      Sawyer, I saw your posts a couple of weeks past as regards you ‘belief system’ and I discerned right away that you were from that group of people from San Diego. They did not ‘lay their lives down’ –they committed suicide.

      While at ECTI Ranch in WA, I was fed a bunch of this stuff and it never sat well with me. I was told they communicated with Jesus regularly and how he apologized to them for all the mess of a Church being made up after his name and ‘story’.

      I was told all about the UFO’s and how benevolent they were. They were here to help us grown and ascend into the 5th dimension and even higher if our souls had reached certin learnings and understandings.

      I was told all about ‘love, love, love’. Live in truth. Live in integrity. Talk to your spirit guide and learn.

      I was told so many things. And what you write Sawyer, makes me feel such sorrow. I heard about these characters Ti and Do and all sorts of others that are supposed to be hear teaching the Word and Will of God.

      Sawyer, I do believe the LORD has led you here. And from what I have seen you are alone in your beliefs and views. We are Born-Again Christians as Jesus said to Nicodemus, ‘ye must be born again’. The only way to God is through the Lord Jesus Christ. All these other entities or asended masters, etc., are demonic and very tricky. They woo and cajole and cowtow and bend on knee to gain your soul. They find your weakness and for most it is ‘searching for the meaning of life’, or searching to fill the emptiness inside. They will use that weakness to build you up so you feel grateful for any semblance of positive feelings. Eventually they teach you to be on your own to find the answers ‘inside’ or ‘all the answers are within’. You have been deceived. Greatly deceived. And I feel such sorrow for you.

      I will pray to the LORD for your eyes to be opened and your ears opened to hear. I will pray for the Holy Spirit to hover around you and bring your life and your sins before your eyes. I will pray for your Salvation.

      This is all so very sad……

      In His Precious Name,
      mary
      xox

    • john b said

      Sawyer; thanks for the testimony seems like that you are on some Quest to find God but somewhere along the line was diverted. I can Identify with some of what you say. I also was born a catholic, became a drug addict, disappointed with churches.

      I was 24 when God intervened in my Life. He used a scripture verse written by Apostle Paul “Do not be drunk with wine, but be Filled with The Holy Spirit” and then He gave me another “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all the unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness”

      It was there and then that The presence of This Biblical God overpowered me, Convicted Me of my sins and gave me An urgency To seek His Face. I have been reading the Bible since.

      The thing is I was not a drunkard on wine But i was a doper.
      However; I have since come to understand that it was much more than physical drunkenness But the Drunkenness from the “spiritual Wine of Babylon” which encompasses all religions sadly to say, as there are many people who like yourself sincerely believe tat their way is valid before the Creator.

      Please ponder These words ” In the beginning was the Word and the Word was With God and the word was God. And The Word became Flesh” and dwelt among us.
      He showed the Way to life eternal By “Dying on My behalf and rising From the dead” promising us the Holy Spirit (His very presence) To be with us Unto The end.

      That is what I experienced Sawyer. To me Jesus Is My Lord & Savior. He is at the Door of your Soul my Friend all you have to do is Open the door and he will come and Dine with you.
      Oh the intimacy of his fellowship. The love ,the peace, The joy, the pain, the sorrow, the tears. I testify to you Today, That I am Ten times the man I was before my encounter With my Creator.

      The lord Bless you Sawyer.

      John b

  30. sawyer said

    Perhaps I’m wasting my time here as you probably don’t even read my posts and especially not post to your blog, which I will check out but on the chance your still listening a little, I’ve just posted a part 4 of my ongoing series:

    ti do two witnesses christs saints returned in clouds part 4 – resurrection rapture ascension

    Which talks more about rapture, the real rapture not the phony balony peoples dead bones clanking their way into the a cloud to shake hands with a long haired white guy in a robe to live happily ever after.

    What a crock so many believe. Why is it so hard to take what Jesus said literally, except for what he taught in story form. He did distinguish to some he did reveal the mysteries, at least some of them, though he still then could not speak as “plainly” as he said he would upon return.

    If you don’t hear a trumphet in your ear in regards to every iota of what ti and do brought, you with all due respect are afraid to hear that trumphet. I know it’s tough and especially when you have a degree of following of your books but for God’s sake friend, I mean no harm to you but the event your looking for passed and we are simply in it’s wake and can still tag along for a time. Sure there will be more events but not of that nature and I’m starting to get more details of what to expect but you are right about one thing, when is not the issue as it’s NOW that’s important. And as to all those things you are suggesting are somehow in service to Jesus, show me what he said that justifys them. The only one is spreading what he said, which is fine but at least spread what he said close to his language and intent and context not just quoting the words chose by the various translators that had hardly a clue. It’s not that they got it all wrong. It’s that there are many layers and until you peel back the onion by looking at all the other words they could have used and with the insights that comes by asking the KIngdom of God for help, you will be a blind guide. I’m sorry I can’t be a goody two shoes christian but actually the christians will be the most damned IF they don’t wake up. Jesus said that to those that “have” that don’t invest it, even taking a chance on a positive to come from that investment” (not talking money, but MIND/SPirit/effort to grow and push past barriers we ALL have) then we lose what we have, and since christians say they believe in what Jesus said, then how can they ignore when someone else says the same exact things PLUS just like Jesus said the same things moses said plus but the jews expected him to play him some jazz on the shofar on the temple mount. I’d bet he even did that and danced a bit as well as I’m sure he was not a dull personality at all and if you knew Do and Ti you’d see what I mean.

    • hopeful_watcher said

      Sawyer, I read your posts, but mostly with my jaw on the ground. You mean well, I can tell this. I believe your heart is sincere. I believe you are even a decent and nice person, but you are in serious SERIOUS danger my friend.

      The scenerios you postulate tickle the ears for those looking for purpose and don’t currently have the holy spirit. You read and internalize the scriptures that prop up your scenerio. Here is one for you. Demons will masquerade as angels of light!! There is a UFO presense. No doubt. I believe this. These beings will come and “help” man kind. This help is not a FREE gift. It will come at a price and that is we must worship them. They will wrap themselves in our religious teachings that are not scriptural, so that we more easily accept them. At that point you must ask yourself, will I accept the prophecies of Daniel, Isiah and Revelation or will I reject them. Because in the end, your scenerios will run face first up against these prophecies and for you to hold your current beliefs as truth, then you must reject those prophecies. I suspect your pride and deep seated beliefs will not allow you to consider any scriptural texts that counter those beliefs.

      Sawyer, I will pray for you. You are handing yourself right into the antichrists powers without even a fight. Remember this post right here, when in a few years you no longer look at people on this blog with pity, but it has turned you inside out and you view us with violent contempt that must be erradicated because we are a threat to your utopian society. When it has changed you into someone you know yourself not to be and you can’t even look in the mirror anymore, than you will say to yourself that something has gone terribly wrong.

    • sawyer said

      It appears you are not prepared for what’s next. Quoting scripture is NOT the same thing as thirsting for the MIND (holy spirit) to help us open up to what’s next for each of us that goes with being willing to be challenged by what we receive in whatever fashion it appears.

      It’s always puzzelling to me how few want to actually examine what was said and consider the non-mystical(secret) understandings that are available and some of which I’ve attempted to express. For instance so many christians talk big about their god connection and all and how they’ll meet jesus in the air yet seem to flee from considering anything beyond that. Should that occur literally, I ask, WHEN do each of those who claim to be waiting eagerly for that day OVERCOME their human nature, their ego, their self their private interpretations of scripture? When do they cut their ties to the world literally causing all around them, family and friends to think them insane and taken by a cult? Oh, that’s not for us right. We just get to believe and sit around and talk, talk talk without any sacrifice. Well sacrifice IS built into ANY and ALL relationships with Jesus or Moses or any future member of the Kingdom of God, the reason Jesus spoke so much about sacrifice of even his physical body for his Father. REmember NO man took his life from him, he said. He was laying it down for his Father. Thus IF the greatest commandment is to love the lord your god (Jesus as Father) with ALL your heart and that is what he was willing to do to show his Father that love and said that WE who wish to follow must be willing to take the steps to give the same EXACT ALL HE GAVE. You are right religions are sacrine artificial worship (work for/service). Do you think the Kinjgdom of God wants a bunch of bowers and scrapers or chanters and meditators or …add to the list? They ARE REAL beyond you wildest imagination, more real than we even for a number of reasons I don’t want to bore you with. IF you want a relationship with the one called jesus who I KNOW does not go by that name NOW you MUST ASK him again (assuming you feel you already asked). It’s always that way. ASking one time or every so often is fine, but we all need to ask specific questions that pertain to our on-going relationship with him which is ALWAYS a service relatinship. If we don’t produce fruit in ourselves and in what we share with others that goes against the status quo of any religion or spirituality then we are not in service to HIM. So I suggest you ask him for your next best service. Ask him for a challenge if you dare. Dont’ worry even if you do He will give you something that is within your reach. He will never give you more than you can handle even if you get arrogant about that service (like I did, the reason I have this task now to share with you and millions of others who won’t give what I say the time of day for all the reasons but without any concrete reasons. If I am wrong about this, then why not take ONE thing I’ve said and tell me how it is scripturally off track. I know one line discarnates feed us…if it’s not on track in one way it’s off track entirely, or there is so much to address I dont’ know where to start, which is balony and you know it, that is if that was the line you heard in your head re: what I’ve written. I deal with that too when I come to these types of blogs to offer more than they ever heard about scripture and I know there gobs of new stuff that came from the same souls that it came from since this civilization began. But I don’t want anyone to take my word for it and not on my timetable either. I’m a student of the one called Jesus 2000 years ago but He has informed me that I can be useful to his current strategy.

      And by the way, I was never a doper. Sure I experimented with lsd and smoked a bunch of pot on and off but I quit for periods and then partook for periods in a lessor way until I just didn’t want any, though sometimes a little pot helps reduce my inhabitions in the public when I play music but intend to share information about ti and do, which I know always drops jaws. It still drops my jaw but I can’t deny my experience as a monk in ti and do’s experiential overcoming classroom. It was so real and so consistant with all jesus taught and not because they used the bible as a playbook. They wrote the playbook and they keep on adding plays because they aren’t glued to the same response at any given moment. They created us with free will so that we could exercise our free will to decide to come towards them when it’s offerred and it’s beinjg offerred again now to you, through me, my horse of a vehicle.

    • Mary said

      Sawyer, where in the Bible are your Ti and Do named? Show me in Scripture, please.

      In His Precious Name,
      mary
      xox

    • Mary said

      Well you see, sawyer? You peel away the layers of an onion and all you’re left with is a stinky vegetable in pieces. Rather you turn the fronds of an artichoke one-by-one and eat the Word in all its beauty, you eventually arrive at the heart.

      You are grandly deceived. I’m so very sorry. I will continue to say prayers for you.

      In His Precious Name,
      mary
      xox

    • richard said

      Sawyer you lost me at Perhaps? What in the world are you talking about?

    • sawyer said

      sorry, you’ll have to just ask me one question. I know I say a ton. I wish I could do a better job but it is very difficult communicating simple ideas or facts when so many of the terms are so misunderstood and have multiple meanings and interpretations and contexts while at the same time many think they already have the most correct intpretation so think when I suggest another I am changing gods’ word which is not at all the case, but we have no choice but to consider different interpretations when one english word used has 10 different words in the greek/hebrew. In my video’s I point out some of the obvious bad translations.

    • lamarzulli said

      Sawyer – You’ll have to limit your comments. This BLOG is not a platform to promote the false prophets and castrating, suicidal cult that was Ti & Do. We know what happened and the mass suicide was proof that they were from the Fallen One. I have allowed you to post here, because I believe in freedom of speech, however, I do not agree with anything about Ti & Do. They were false prophets and were, in the end directly responsible for the suicide/deaths of their misguided and brainwashed followers. L.A.

  31. Frank said

    Its pretty much 10/13, et’s a no sho. Hope no one is disappointed.

    • sawyer said

      the Kingdom of God members were here already. WE are not waiting for anything more though there is more things to happen. You can joke about it so have your laughs. Oh, and some are still here in the “paradise spacecraft” but they are not space aliens. They are trying to get your loyalty where the kingomd of god doesn’t need us at all so they play by their rules only.

  32. Lisa said

    Hi everyone:

    My post is to Sandie, you stated earlier that you are not a Seventh Day Adventist but I was wondering if you are a Seventh Day Remnantist? I did go to the “Remnantofgod.org” website and after looking it over, it seemed to me that this is a group that is very cultish, similar to Adventists and others of that nature. Salvation is found only in Jesus and extra biblical books, “prophets – EG White”, teachings, etc. are not biblical at all. It seems to me that a major theme in most cults is that they are very zealous, believe they have the only handle on truth and are “The true church”, and also that the Church of the ages throughout history is, of course, wrong and lead by the enemy. Perhaps that is the reason why you state that you are used to being divisive.

    My intent in this post is not to argue with you about anything or to be rude. I am simply trying to point out my opinion after reviewing the site you keep asking us all here to look at and to share with others here who may have not looked at it already what I have observed there. Discussion is one thing…having a bad attitude in discussing an issue, especially surrounding God’s Word is another. I suggest we should all be more respectful of the Spirit that is within us, if indeed we are born again believers. Amen!

    • Sandie said

      I’m not aware that I have a “bad attitude”,though being tactful and politically-correct are not among my better virtues! Sorry if anyone is offended by my directness.

      No,I’m not an adventist-anything. I do link that site so often because of it’s outstanding work in identifying the antichrist and the writings from the Vatican. That is usually what my links refer to.

      I don’t look to Ellen White as a prophet any more than I would anyone else. I think the prophets of old did a fine job!

      The Seventh Day Sabbath resonates so well with me after seeing how the Catholic church declared their opposition to the word of God and declaring themselves above the word of God!

      And salvation is only found in Jesus Christ,so where’s the problem with that?

      I think all of us are a part of the “remnant” who adhere to the teachings of the Bible and are born-again with the Holy Spirit. Those are His “true church”,from any denomination or walk of life.

      While I respect everyone’s right to believe whatever they want to,I see no harm in expressing different views. I used to believe things that I no longer do,and the PreTribulation Rapture was one of them. It broke my heart to let that go,but it also strengthened my faith and determination in ways that have been well worth it!

      With all this discussion of the Rapture,as an invention of the Catholic church,I’m surprised that the Catholic church hasn’t been more a topic of interest.

      And for the record,I love Catholics,I hate their religion!

  33. Lisa said

    On a note of positivity…the miners in Chile are in the process of being rescued and taken out. Hallelujah!! Amen!

  34. Jeff D said

    Brother Lynn, I greatly appreciate your post today. God has called you to this place for a purpose and a season. It is obvious your words resonate with many and with many others they bounce off. You couldn’t be more correct in my humble opinion when you say, “It’s not for me to know when we get snatched away, as is so evident by all the infighting it produces. The fruit of that is division.”

    As Paul state in 1 Corinthians 14:33, “For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.” Where you have division, you have confusion and where you have confusion you have the absence of God.

    I believe because Satan knows his time is short, he is ratcheting up his attacks against the people who are already strong in the Lord to cause division/confusion to keep those who are lost just that…lost.

    What is there to a lost person who is seeking the teachings of Jesus Christ because they know of His claims of Divinity when they only see those who claim Him as Lord and Savior bickering over details that in the end are fruitless?

    As I said yesterday, it is good to discuss these things but when our tone of voice through the typed words on a page are discerned as hateful, hurtful and unloving are read by seekers of Truth, why would they want any of it from the very ones claiming to know the Truth?

    PLEASE remember the lost that daily come to this wonderful BLOG because the Lord is leading them here. When we discuss and disagree on a topic, we must do so with the mindset that we will not harm our weaker brothers and sisters and we especially will not turn away those who want to SEE Christ’s love through our own examples.

    I confess I have been very strident on this BLOG at times as many of you would agree I am sure. This is one reason I have not been in the discussions as of late. I have been praying about my own attitude mindful of the lost and of the weaker brother.

    They need to see maturity in our own faith as we keep our eyes focused on running the race to WIN not on how we bicker over how the race should be run.

    Please know I am not pointing a finger at any person on this BLOG but myself. Change must start with me before I can ask change of anyone else.

    To any person I have offended on this BLOG in the past in my attempts to make a point or argue a point, I ask your forgiveness. I pray that Jesus Christ will be glorified on this BLOG that He has raised up for such a time as this and those who are seeking Truth will come to the saving knowledge that Jesus Christ is who He claimed, “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No man can come to the Father except through Me.” John 14:6
    May God Almighty grant each of us Grace, Wisdom and Mercy as we seek to discuss the important matters while being mindful of those who are in the shadows watching our every move as they seek REAL Christian Love.

    Humbly in Christ,

    Jeff D

  35. Gordy said

    Tit.2

    [13] Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

    Is Titus referring to a secret rapture? or The Second Coming? What did Jesus say about his coming?

    30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

    [31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

    Is Matt. 24:31 referring to a pre-tribulation rapture or is this the first resurrection of the dead and the living in Christ?

    It would be wonderful to avoid all persecution and tribulation but Jesus clearly told his disciples:

    John.16

    [33] These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

    Luke.21

    [28] And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

  36. Gordy said

    ORIGINS OF THE SECRET RAPTURE DOCTRINE

  37. Sandie said

    This is the kind of thing that raises more doubt in my mind about the reasoning behing the newly accepted PreTrib doctrine. For instance…
    (For the record,I’m not in agreement with everything siad in this link,I’m just saying,there’s more to this “rapture” than meets the eye!)

    “… the stage is set for deception to move the world in new ways.”

    “This sentence by Ivan Amato is one of the keys to understanding the scenario against which we are warning you now; the Illuminati possesses the most sophisticated technology the world has ever seen, and is preparing to use this technology in order to successfully stage their Superman, whom we know as Antichrist.

    However, just before the Antichrist is due to arise, we believe it likely the Illuminati will similarly use this technology to divide and conquer the only enemy they fear — the Born Again Christian. Since their Guiding Spirits have told them the Rapture of the Church is a reality [Read NEWS1052 for full details], and since they know the Christians are awaiting the Rapture with the greatest of anticipation, what better way to divide, conquer, and discourage the Christian than to stage a fake Rapture? Just think of your reaction if you heard exhaustive news reports that Christians all over the world had been raptured, and you had missed it? How low would your heart sink?

    We postulated this thesis in NEWS1375, but let us now list some of the ingredients a fake Rapture probably will contain:

    1. The disappearance of countless numbers of people worldwide.

    2. Some people would have to testify that they were talking to a person who suddenly disappeared

    3. News reports must contain eyewitness accounts of these disappearances

    4. The disappearances of these people must have occurred in the “Twinkling of An Eye”, just as Scripture foretold.

    5. People might even be depicted arising out of coffins, just a Paul foretold in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, specifically in verse 16.

    Can leading-edge modern technology insert people into a picture, and more importantly, can it make them disappear so quickly the eye can hardly see the actual disappearance? Let us return to our feature articles about technologically making people seemingly disappear:

    “Deleting people or objects from live video, or inserting prerecorded people or objects into live scenes, is only the beginning of the deceptions becoming possible.” There we have the nub of the problem solved; once you understand the science behind this new technique of unprecedented deception, you will come right back to this statement:

    “Deleting people or objects … inserting prerecorded people or objects into live scenes …”

    There you have the stark facts; MIT’s Technology Magazine is telling us that people can be removed or inserted into live scenes. This means that a scene being recorded “LIVE” can have people artificially deleted [removed] or inserted, with no one being the wiser. In NEWS1375, referenced above, we postulated that one of the techniques the Illuminati would use to convince Christians that they had been left behind in a Rapture would be a prerecorded short movie in which the entire scenario were shot as if it were a live newscast. TV movies have been produced and aired on this premise just a few years ago, and were so effective that a disclaimer came on the screen at the beginning and end of the show, and after each commercial, telling the viewer that the action being depicted was not a real live newscast; that is how effective these shows were. I still believe this format might be part of the total Fake Rapture scenario.

    However, we are talking about a lot more than such a prerecorded show; we are talking about faking a live broadcast feed, presumably without the technician manning the camera knowing anything about the deception. How is this possible?…”
    “… the stage is set for deception to move the world in new ways.” [Emphasis added]

    This sentence by Ivan Amato is one of the keys to understanding the scenario against which we are warning you now; the Illuminati possesses the most sophisticated technology the world has ever seen, and is preparing to use this technology in order to successfully stage their Superman, whom we know as Antichrist.

    However, just before the Antichrist is due to arise, we believe it likely the Illuminati will similarly use this technology to divide and conquer the only enemy they fear — the Born Again Christian. Since their Guiding Spirits have told them the Rapture of the Church is a reality [Read NEWS1052 for full details], and since they know the Christians are awaiting the Rapture with the greatest of anticipation, what better way to divide, conquer, and discourage the Christian than to stage a fake Rapture? Just think of your reaction if you heard exhaustive news reports that Christians all over the world had been raptured, and you had missed it? How low would your heart sink?

    We postulated this thesis in NEWS1375, but let us now list some of the ingredients a fake Rapture probably will contain:

    1. The disappearance of countless numbers of people worldwide.

    2. Some people would have to testify that they were talking to a person who suddenly disappeared

    3. News reports must contain eyewitness accounts of these disappearances

    4. The disappearances of these people must have occurred in the “Twinkling of An Eye”, just as Scripture foretold.

    5. People might even be depicted arising out of coffins, just a Paul foretold in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, specifically in verse 16.

    Can leading-edge modern technology insert people into a picture, and more importantly, can it make them disappear so quickly the eye can hardly see the actual disappearance? Let us return to our feature articles about technologically making people seemingly disappear:

    “Deleting people or objects from live video, or inserting prerecorded people or objects into live scenes, is only the beginning of the deceptions becoming possible.” There we have the nub of the problem solved; once you understand the science behind this new technique of unprecedented deception, you will come right back to this statement:

    “Deleting people or objects … inserting prerecorded people or objects into live scenes …”

    There you have the stark facts; MIT’s Technology Magazine is telling us that people can be removed or inserted into live scenes. This means that a scene being recorded “LIVE” can have people artificially deleted [removed] or inserted, with no one being the wiser. In NEWS1375, referenced above, we postulated that one of the techniques the Illuminati would use to convince Christians that they had been left behind in a Rapture would be a prerecorded short movie in which the entire scenario were shot as if it were a live newscast. TV movies have been produced and aired on this premise just a few years ago, and were so effective that a disclaimer came on the screen at the beginning and end of the show, and after each commercial, telling the viewer that the action being depicted was not a real live newscast; that is how effective these shows were. I still believe this format might be part of the total Fake Rapture scenario.

    However, we are talking about a lot more than such a prerecorded show; we are talking about faking a live broadcast feed, presumably without the technician manning the camera knowing anything about the deception. How is this possible?…”
    http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1378.cfm

    These things are worth looking into,dontcha’ think?

    • Sandie said

      Sorry for the double copy,…didn’t see it at the time!

    • By hardening your heart to the evidence of a “pre trib rapture” you leave yourself open to the devil when one occurs. Christ said he will come as a thief in the night and call those up in the air to join him, now isnt that Completely different than from his touching down on the mountain at the second coming? You leave yourself open if for whatever reason you are not chosen or those around you who see the headlines the next morning of “Millions missing overnight!” Many will like you believe that is was a false rapture and aliens got em… when in all actuality Jesus came for his elect. Why them and not for those who have died in the past or are dying now is all people ever say in opposition to this. Well I am here to tell you that you do not know the mind of God so stop pretending to. He tells you in plain language throughout the bible in many different books and chapters that He is coming for his church. Doubting this basic fact might imperile you I hope not since you are of a strong mind but what if it does? Your talk of fighting through the tribulations might seem bold but God is coming so we are rewared by not having to face that fight and because many might fall under the sway of the devil under various threats of force if they were not taken. God wants us all there with him. I know this was a bit harsh and I apologise in advance yet so many misconstrue the words of Jesus to the disciples as proof that there is no rapture of the Church when in fact he was talking about his second coming. God bless you all!

  38. john b said

    I think we need to differentiate between 1. Tribulation Wrath Bringing the Nations into a state of perplexity and 2. The “day of wrath” when the lord is revealed in flaming fire in judgment binding the wicked and casting them into the Lake of fire.
    There is no promise to be saved out of the former, But there is the promise of the Lord being with us unto the End through that time of perplexity of the Nations.
    The rapture removes us out of The day of wrath point2.

    This is where pre-trib’s get confused They see the two points as the same. The day of the lord is not the Tribulation. The day of the lord is the revealing of our lord in all His Glory coming with his angels to “render to each man according to his works” Rev22:12
    That is How The Book ends.

    I do not believe that what i have read from any one concerning this matter revealed any bitterness. I personally think it Good to discuss biblical Truth.

    Thank you LA for the Blog.

    john B

    • Sandie said

      It would appear this subject of the Rapture is also “real,burgeoning,and not going away”!

      Just the fact that there is confusion should raise alarms,as God is not the author of confusion.

      But Satan is,and if it is true that the Vatican perpetrated this myth,and if that is home to the antichrist as believed by the Reformers,then I think that would wrap it up.

      That’s the way I see it anyway.

    • Gordy said

      Yes, God is not a God of confusion. The following website points outs some
      consequences of the Pre-tribulation rapture teaching if it doesn’t pan out.

      http://christiansalert.org/raptureteaching.htm

      THE CONSEQUENCES OF THE RAPTURE TEACHING

      The Rapture teaching creates a false sense of security in that it has us going out of the world before the great tribulation. There are multitudes that believe this lie. There were an estimated sixty million Christians tortured and murdered during the Dark Ages. They stood up and gave their lives for the gospel of Jesus Christ. Today you can hardly get two men to walk together for Christ, let alone give their life for him. Believing in a pre-trib rapture displays a kind of arrogance and lack of Biblical-centered faith.

      The Bible tells of the state of the church in the very last days in Revelation 3.

      The pompous, arrogant attitude that is displayed in the pre-trib rapture lie is present in this church age and the Lord tells how he is going to deal with it in Revelation 3.17-19 and 1 Peter 4.17.

      I remember when people were telling me that the rapture was going to take place in 1988. I actually heard Christians admit that they were going to max out their credit card-which is not a good testimony for Christians-because they were convinced that the rapture was going to occur in 1988.

      Then there were those who were certain that it would occur in 1993, because we are approaching the new millennium and they bought into the seven years tribulation myth.

      As a pre-tribber your Blessed Hope is in heaven not Christ.

      “Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;” Titus 2.13.

      When the Pre-trib Rapture does not occur, many Christians will believe that since their pastors or Bible teachers taught this false teaching, that they may also be wrong about other teaching. Perhaps even teaching related to their salvation. Could this be what caused some to depart from the faith in 2 Timothy 2.18, and could this be what the “falling away” in 2 Thessalonians 2.3 means.

  39. Sandie said

    People like this can be a huge inspiration to us! I especially like this story.

    “Corrie ten Boom, author of The Hiding Place, tells the story of a conversation she had with her father when she was a child. She confided in her father that she was afraid of death and was quite sure she did not have the strength to be a martyr. Corrie’s father reminded her of the train ride to Amsterdam. “”When you take a train trip to Amsterdam, when do I give you the money for the ticket? Three weeks before?”

    “No, Daddy, you give me the money for the ticket just before we get on the train.”

    “That is right,” her father said, “and so it is with God’s strength. Our Father in Heaven knows when you will need the strength . . . He will supply all you need just in time.”

    Many years later, Corrie, her sister Betsy, and their father were imprisoned in Nazi concentration camps for hiding Jews in a secret room in their home. Corrie’s sister and father passed away during their imprisonment. Corrie was released from Ravensbrück, due to a clerical error, just a week before all the women her age were killed. She spent the rest of her life traveling the world, telling people “there is no pit so deep that God’s love is not deeper still.” Corrie died at the age of 91.

  40. Jeff D said

    *Prays for the Peace of God’s saints that they may not be overcome by divisiveness of the evil one*

  41. Gordy said

    Our unity as Christians is based on the fact we who believe in Christ are of one body. The eye should not say to the ear I don’t need you. We may have different interpretations of some Scripture or doctrines… we all see through a glass darkly. Only God can reveal to us by the Holy Spirit and the Word the truths we need to know.

    1Cor.12

    [12] For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
    [13] For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
    [14] For the body is not one member, but many.
    [15] If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
    [16] And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
    [17] If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
    [18] But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
    [19] And if they were all one member, where were the body?
    [20] But now are they many members, yet but one body.
    [21] And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
    [22] Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
    [25] That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
    [26] And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.

    1Cor.13

    [12] For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

  42. john b said

    Mystery Babylon is the realm wherein one can believe what one likes just don’t cause Trouble!

    Mother Speaks; Truth is what you want it to be, Just love one another children regardless of your differences, Unity in diversity is Mother’s way.
    The bible can say many different things to many different people. Yes, God speaks many languages In the end it will all pan out.
    Mother will ensure that you are all taken care of!

    John B

    • john b said

      Gordy’s video above is the truth as far as i am concerned.
      In the end we are all responsible before Almighty for what we believe and say concerning this matter. No resentment, no bitterness on my behalf Praise the lord. Amen.

      john B

  43. Frank said

    i didn’t have time to read the debates above.

    Pre, post, mid or pan Trib. Or no rapture at all. God is still God. Whether we experience suffering in the Trib or not, we are to remain faithful. Myself, I’m not glued to any theory, there’s no point. I must be ready to remain faithful during perilous times. I wait for Him to return, and if that involves a rapture, awesome. If not, may He give me strength to endure.

    For those still bent up about the rapture, go check out Future Quake’s episode on the conditional rapture. controversial, yes. but it’s very informative and could help you change your mind. Again, i’m not sold to this view, but his case is just as compelling as the pre, post, mid, pan theories.

    go, inform yourselves and be at peace.

    • Jeff said

      I am with you, I am not set as to whether it is pre, mid, or post. I am too open minded and if I heard a lecture on one of them I’m sure I’d change my mind, then I would hear the other version on why a pre is right and a mid tribulation is wrong, and then, I’d change my mind again. As long as I know Christ is in me, and I ask for strength, courage, and his wisdom to overcome what it going to happen, I feel I will be fine with the upcoming events. I would like to see the events happening so I can tell people what is happening to help save some people. It’s a scarey picture of what the tribulation is going to be. I have a hard enough time trying to speak up when my co-workers are saying there is no evidence in a “god” and that random men wrote a fiction book…
      God Bless

      Jeff

  44. Jeff said

    Wow, look at those UFO’s out there! Or is it one giant BLUE ship with a Yellow light… oh wait thats just the sky and the sun! lol

  45. sawyer said

    @Lamarzulli

    I respect your request that I limit my comments (because you count Ti and Do as false prophets, though site no proof of what doesn’t stack up to what Jesus said) and that you have allowed me to comment, so if you will allow I will stick to posting only what Jesus said. There are plenty of places I can post so it’s not a big concern but it’s of course your choice to block what Jesus said or not, keeping others from having the free will to choose for themselves just as you can choose for yourself.

    Jesus on castration:

    Mat 19:10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.
    Mat 19:11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.
    Mat 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

    A eunuch, Greek:eunouchos is a castrated person

    from eune (a bed) and ecw – echo 2192; a castrated person (such being employed in Oriental bed-chambers); by extension an impotent or unmarried man; by implication, a chamberlain (state-officer):–eunuch.

    Thus it’s an option according to Jesus “FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN’S SAKE”, in other words FOR THE FATHER, For HIM, which renders one impotent (reserving self for the bridegroom only) and virtually unmarried as marriage was instituted for the sake of pro-creation. And of course castrated males were useful in the bed chambers of a kings wives, etc.

    Jesus on how much we could be willing to give that cross references losing our sexuality IF WE CHOOSE:

    Mat 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
    Mat 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

    jesus on laying down his life and the requirements for discipleship:

    Joh 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
    Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

    Joh 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
    Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

    Jesus on who shows him love and who his Father loves:

    Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

    Jesus on what his commandments are for whoever wants to be his disciple:

    Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
    Joh 15:11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
    Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
    Joh 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
    Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye DO whatsoever I command you.

    Then he says HE is their FRIEND thus laying down one’s life for HIM was the command he was giving them:

    Joh 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

    So did Jesus by knowingly participating in being caught and not resisting though knowing he would be killed as was attempted many times by the entrapped religious have a death wish and would that constitute his participating in his own death and therefore be suicide.

    And was that suicide for his “friends” to tell about Jesus to all they knew hated and murdered him, knowing full well and as jesus said they would also do to them – kill them.

    Now if it wasn’t for HIM the genuine member from the one true kingdom of god, of course it would be wrong and a waste and suicide.

    Thus whether it’s suicide or not is more dependent on WHY and that goes directly to WHO it’s done for: God or Mammon.

    However, ONE would NEED a direct physical permission from a proved genuine representative from a physically incarnarte member of the Kingdom of God before taking such a major action.

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